I'm right there with you regarding the hate towards JT. He was the best player on the defense for a long time and a leader. Watching him during his 18.5 sack season and the year he won DPOY was great and will never forget it. Posters need to get their panties out of a bunch about JT and look at everything he did for Miami while he was here.
I'd love to see him come back. He is, was and will always be a Dolphin IMO. How could it possibly hurt us if he did come back? I've always liked him as a player and a man and still believe a lot of the junk said was just that, junk..
I'm not going to just forget the way he forced his way out of here, I don't care how well he played for us. Jason wanted out and got his wish, we've moved on and are going in a different direction. Let him go elsewhere. We need to find players who fit this defense and who will buy into their role, I don't see Taylor taking less money and a reduced role to return to Miami.
Are we trying to win games, or are we a training school? Our Dlineman had 12 sacks between them, JT could upgrade that if he does the work.
Both, we're trying to win, but this is also a rebuilding project and Ireland said as much. Bringing in Taylor will help us short term (maybe) and suck cap space that will be spent on a situational player, again I don't see him coming here cheap when another team may be silly/foolish enough to toss a hefty check his way. Unless I misread your post, Jason isn't a DE in the 3/4.
I'm actually a bit suprised by alot of the posts on here about this topic. Yes, JT did leave on a sour note, but do you really think he is done. I call that Redskin season a fluke. I believe his season happened the way he did for a reason, so he can come back to miami. JT would be a plus to our defense because we lacked another threat pass rusher besides JT. Just the fact that opposing teams would have to prepare for JT for what he was and still can be, would help out our defense tremendously. We will be very young at LB, especially with Wake,Ayodele, and most likely a top draft choice. When all and all is said, how can the addition of JT hurt us? He might use our sour taste by the way he left, as motivation to become a threat for the last seasons to a great career in Miami.
JT would play downlinemen on passing downs...the whole "we need more of pass rush" idea at work... As a stand up OLB...unless there is an injury, he wouldn't see the field.
He didn't want to be a part of this organization and help us turn the corner, so why let him come back now that we are a pretty decent team? I want the FO to bring in players that will bust their hump and who are proud to wear the uniform regardless of our record.
Because business is business. You don't act petty when it comes to that business. Regardless of whether or not you think he forced his way out, the point of my post is he doesn't owe all that much to a business that can get rid of him whenver they so choose. JT was here in two of our worst seasons. Not sure how much more hump busting you want......
If I have a choice between Jason Taylor and Larry English, I take English every single time. We need to get young players in here who are going to develop and not bring in a player who is on the decline and who quit when things got tough, which is what he did. He didn't want to be a part of a rebuilding team, that's what we are, the only thing that changed is that we won more games than expected. Last year would have been nice.
Fans were able to forgive Ricky, they'll be able to forgive JT if the time comes. I don't see how bringing him back would be a bad move...
Those 2 are ompletely different and not even worth comparing. But what the hell: We brought Ricky back bc he's still relatively young, healthy, and could split carries with our then recovering starting RB. JT isn't relatively young, healthy, and he wouldn't be a big part of our team. Like L2G and others have said, we need to get younger and we need to get our young players to get as much experience as possible. Theres very little upside in bringing JT back.
We are a rebuilding franchise that had some great breaks last year (Brady hurt, old Favre, Bills collapse, and easy schedule) and won a division that we probably shouldn't have won (see the two Ravens games for reasons why). We need to find and build with young guys, and let them grow up together, just as JT & Zach did a decade ago.
After reading some of the things I read after last season, and the disreguard and disrespect JT showed to Cameron, and then to Parcells, Ireland and Sparano, no way they ever let him within a mile of the Davie facility.
I wouldn't mind seeing Taylor back again, but only under three conditions: 1. Big pay cut. 2. Enter and FINISH Parcell's offseason conditioning program. 3. Be a situational passrusher, and rotate with Joey Porter for what could be a more consistant passrush later in the season. I think between the brutal offseason program that all our players raved about, and the newfound enthusiasm of the locker room, JT may be able to retire with pride as a Miami Dolphin in 2010. However, if any one of those three are not met......then forget it.
You can't be serious? A locker room cancer? The guy isn't TO.. I just don't understand all the JT hate, it makes no sense. And after watching the likes of Charlie Anderson and Matt Roth struggle to get to the QB this past year in obvious passing downs, people who have no interest bringing JT back certainly don't have this organizations best interests in mind. Add to that fact, he'd be a tremendous mentor for Cameron Wake and the young OLB we bring in via the draft this year.
And he was paid HANDSOMELY to hump-bust and was under contract to do it again this last year and again in 2009. There are ZERO guarantees and if you sign a contract with a team, you are saying I am committed to your organization no matter what the circumstances. That is called loyalty to your employer. Remember the employer vs employee relationship is not an equal one, whether it be in the NFL or any other private business. You are employed to do a job, and if you have a contract it is not your place or right to dictate the working conditions unless you are unionized and have a say in that. The NFLPA didn't have a problem with the working conditions at the Davie facility so he should have honored a contract that he freely signed a number of years ago. That is why I am so adamant and have such a hard heart on this matter. He had options a few years ago, but made the decision to stick around and signed the long-term deal for financial security. He then needed to honor that contract with the Miami Dolphins instead of acting like a spoiled brat who wanted his way or the highway. He had a chance to be part of something special last year. I have the feeling that had he worked with Parcells, Bill would have made sure that Pasquiloni would have schemed for Jason and he could have shined here just as he had done here in the past. But Jason from the start, turned his back on Parcells and tried to weasel his way out of the Dolphins, never giving Parcells the benefit of the doubt, and I don't blame Parcells for feeling the way he did. Jason made his bed and now can lie in it, and ponder about what he screwed up. He is the one that needs to show incredible contrition if he wants to come back. And I still wouldn't blame Parcells if he gave him the brush off. What Taylor did was something that Parcells rarely forgives and that is DISLOYALTY. I believe that JT can want to be a Miami Dolphin all he wants, but it would have to be unbelieveable circumstances, and Parcells knowing his team will benefit a lot more by having JT here, and I mean A LOT MORE, in order for JT to ever see himself in a Dolphin uniform ever again, as long as Parcells is in charge.
JT was always a great pass rusher because he was so quick off the snap, hes 34 and will turn 35 in the season. He has lost a step, he will continue to play OLB but could play some SOLB on passing downs but I dont think he will be nearly as effective at DE as he was 2-3 years ago. When he was DPOY he was playing LB more than anything. Its a good transition for him but at this point in his career he is nothing more than a situational pass rusher and we just added Wake to do that at a significantly lower price.
No offense, but loyalty went out the window in the NFL with the advent of Free Agency. Why do you continually hold JT to a higher standard? Its ridiculous.
That's because Jason Taylor WAS NOT A FREE AGENT He had a signed contract and he should have been happy honoring it. He can be unhappy but you still honor the contract. He had guaranteed money in that contract so he was not like most NFL players. The Dolphins were content to keep him and I AM CONVINCED Parcells would have made sure the defense was schemed to take advantage of JT's skills. Do you really think the Dolphins would have just let him ride the pine had he been with the team ??? Parcells was not in a rush to get rid of Taylor, and again Parcells would have found a way to use him....he would have been a fool not to have. But Taylor NEVER GAVE HIM A CHANCE ! He was disloyal from the very start, and schemed to get himself traded. God I can't believe folks don't get this
How did you come to that conclusion? He may have "disrespected" Cameron, but by those standards alot of our players shouldn't be allowed within miles of the Davie facility, especially Joey Porter. How did he disrespect Parcells and Co.?
No you aren't. Unless there is a no escape clause, then you aren't and even then you can demand a trade, which the FO does not have to do. You are not commited no matter what to your employer. And last I checked they had to be paid. Again he doesn't have to. No more then you would have to stay at your current job if something better came along. I am a contract employee and I too have the right to leave, and it does not make me disloyal, especially after the years I have already put in. The employer vs employee relationship is unequal, but it being that way does not render it ok, or right. While you might be accepting of it, it does not mean others have to, nor does it make them a bad person to not accept it as such. Employers have the right to let you go at their whim for the good of the business, employees have the right to walk away at any time or if need be fight there way out of a contract. Its just business. No he handled it like an adult asked in private if he could be let go. The rumors started when he went on the dancing show, even though he still said he would come back. The only beef people could have is maybe he didn't act quick enough to dispell those rumors. I don't blame bp either. I thik BP wanting to get younger is the only way you can say BP felt for sure the rest is just speculation. Ten dollars says BP held the whole ordeal as business, which is how it should be held. And last I checked JT was loyal for 10 years. Last I also check 10 years > then one offseason.
lol a owner can cut a player in the middle of a contract for their best interests......then why cant a player demand to leave??? so im sure all you jt bashers think ownership should keep wilford because we gave him that contract and we need to be loyal to him right?!?!?! PFFFFTTTT dude didnt perform, so we will get rid of him....its the nature of the beast....ill bring jt if he takes a cut and buys into tunas plan next season.....i dont think it would HURT the miami dolphins having one of the greatest pass rushers ever on our roster
i agree with the hole contract thing. i cant speak for everyone else, but thats not why i dont want him. i dont want him because he no longer eats, sleeps and breathes football. I forget which prospect, but they were talking about Parcells interviewing prospects, and Parcells said he would ask them a simple question..."Name the 3 most important things in your life". Parcells later noted, football better be one of them. While our team was working through the south florida heat on two a days and busting their ***, Jason was dancing on tv, why? because football is longer one of his three important things. Anyways, i think this whole conversation is moot, because he wont be a Miami Dolphin. he could go get a job else where and play full time. He wouldnt here. he should retire and focus on his acting career like he told everyone he was going to do.
I personally dont care about how/why he left. I just think that at this point in his career we can find a player who is 8-10 years younger to play at the same level. JT is not the dominating player he once was and holding back a young guy for a season makes no sense
JT is, probably, the most dominant defensive player we've ever had, and I've been watching Phins football before most of you were born. That said, despite his past contributions, I don't know how he would affect the team chemistry the Phins have going right now. He's used to being "the Man", and we've got a bunch of productive no-names who play pretty decently together right now. I don't know if there's room for his ego. JT's a great guy and one of the greatest Phins ever. Sparano / Parcells know far better than any of us what will work and what won't, and what kind of role he could play, if any.
Parcells asked ALL players to commit to the team in the off-season, same from Sparano, and JT if you recall, missed every off season workout, every OTA, and then threatened to miss TC if he wasn't traded. He had new team mates that he never bothered to get to know, or to bond with. That is incredibly important when they whole defense is being changed, and he made it impossible for Parcells/Sparano/Pasquiloni to build a new defense with Jason in mind. That is disrespect.
Oh I did forget this tidbit.....Taylor made it back to Ft Lauderdale to host his Charity Foundation event, which Ireland and Sparano attended, but he couldn't make one single OTA the Dolphins had planned...... That again is disrespect.
For a cheap price it wouldn't be a bad thing to have JT back. I don't possibly see how his addition could hurt other than him taking up a spot for someone younger. However with all that said I don't think Parcells wants JT on his team and that seems to have been his mindset from the beginning.
football is a buisness.....sparano and ireland obviously know the difference, they went to a personal event....why cant you fans get over the fact of it being a buisness? why does everyone take it personal? like he disrespected you or something....i dont get it....sparano and ireland are APART OF THE TEAM and they dont hold such a grudge as some of the fans......jesus
You are joking right ? You are just going to throw all of his shennanigans he pulled between DWTS and immediately following DWTS out the door ? His so-called "press conference" in which he did nothing but make it clear he didn't want to be a Miami Dolphin any longer ? This is the man that will be a mentor ? How ? In lessons on being a selfish a-hole ? Think about this....if the Dolphins defense plays better in 2 games, Houston & NY Jets, and wins those games, the Dolphins would have had an incredible 13-3 record and a bye in the playoffs. Who knows.....maybe that changes who we play and maybe instead of Pittsburgh, it might have been the Dolphins playing this coming up Sunday ? Taylor might have been that difference maker, but because of his selfishness he was elsewhere.
I wonder how many of the haters...really just hate their own jobs? Not being a smartass, just making a point. Most haters are just envy freaks on a revenge high. Their lives are average at best and it is too hard for them to see someone willing to pass up millions of dollars to play on a team might not even sniff the playoffs. The Romans had a vote each month...it was an envy vote. If you name had the most votes you had to leave the great city of Rome. The problem was that great men and women were having to leave the city due to ENVY from others, not b/c they were doing bad things. If you don't get the point from the above post...then it is not for you. But if you do get the point, then try to relax and enjoy what you have. JT envied those with a ring... The haters on JT are no better. The FACT is that they will never be paid millions of dollars a year to play a game and then have to CHOOSE what team they want to play for...How many players do you think get to play for the team they loved growing up? My guess would be less than 10% of the players. It is a business 1st and a love 2nd. If you cannot agree on that, then you do not understand the billion dollar a year business that the NFL is... But I am pretty sure that If.... Mr "X" offered them a job today to leave the company they have been with for 10+ years, they would leave. If it was the job they always wanted at heart and it paid them millions.
The difference being that the ownership/FO is cutting the player (who isn't performing) to help the team, where the player (Taylor) was thinking only of himself. Bad comparison IMO. We need players who want to be here, who know that it may be a bumpy road, but who want to contribute to this team to make it better. That doesn't describe Jason at all, he wanted out because we had just gone 1-15 and he didn't want to help turn this thing around. http://www.bres.boothbay.k12.me.us/wq/nnash/WebQuest/little_red_hen.htm "Not I" said Jason Taylor
