New: Tim Tebow, the Wildcat.....and New England

A Ray Lewis type, not actually Ray Lewis. That's what Tebow does, you watch Florida at all?

And RB or RW (who doesn't run into anyone) are very different then a QB.

 

Drafting Tebow makes no sense, because then we'd be wasting ronnies running abilty, just so we can run a qb draw.

 

So it's your contention that he takes on more LBs strait up than Ronnie and Ricky? I am not a Florida fan but the games I saw, I didn't see that...

 

I love Tebow...as a college QB.

Yeah, lets draft a player because a rival team might get him

I think if he stays, he'll definately try to develop his skills.

System QB.

 

I think he has a very long windup and a slow release. He will get killed in the NFL. IMO he is a poor mans Vince Young. Young is a much better athlete and you can see where that has got him.

 

Whats your reason?

 

i like tebow, im just not sure he can be of much use in the NFL. Not NFL fast, no bigger than most defenders in the NFL, his passing leaves a lot to be desired, etc etc.

If the right team builds him into their offense, then maybe. but i wouldn't say any team can just plug him in and use him right now.

 

I'd rather just go for Pat White or someone like that who has some ability to convert to another position if it goes South.

 

All this talk about taking Tebow? I say we already have a stronger bruiser in Brown that can probably throw as good as Tebow.

Beef up the line, get a real #1 receiver and make the transition from Pennington to Henne within the next couple of years. We don't need no Tebow!

 

I think they should consider drafting him without a doubt. Guy is a baller. Throw him into the wildcat and its unstoppable.

But really, forget the wildcat. It's just a formation we run. But I love hardnosed football players, and Tebow is that. Heart of a champion. H-back, TE, part time qb, qb, whatever he ends up, guy has potential and is a leader. He said he wouldn't lose again this year after this first loss, and they didn't. His press conference from awhile back they keep airing is awesome. A creative coordinator can find something for this guy. Dan Henning just might be the guy.

With that said, and like everyone has said, it would depend on how our GM and FO look at things. If we want to continue moreso with the Wildcat then maybe in the later second round pick. But if not, and we are going to add playmakers to our other 91% of plays/offense, then other players need to be looked at in the draft.

 

No.

 

I hear you. I think though that football isn't near the top of a lot of these guys priorities. god, family, money, being a celebrity, movie star, clubbing. I think that could go for most nfl players...

 

/end thread.

 

Tebow played a terrible game and nearly cost his team the game if not for the Gator defense and some bone-head calls by Oklahoma.

I was not that impressed by Tebow.

d-1

 

His arm is fine and his mechanics are serviceable in terms of the look to run /look to throw approach that he's been asked to use. He'll switch to a traditional drop in the pros- big deal.

 

Do what, change his mechanics? Has he been asked to show that he can do that I think is a more relevant question. It's hard to stay perpendicular to the LOS when you're dropping back and almost always looking to turn a pass play into a run. What he does and how he does it are uber efficient, as demonstrated by his stats. He'll be more pass first oriented in the pros, and the mechanics/drop back will change.

 

Don't worry- I doubt that we would take him high, too many other pressing needs.

 

Considering the incredible intangibles discrepancies in those example, maybe not.

 

Wow, interesting thoughts. So many here wouldn't touch Tebow early because of his footwork, delivery, etc. Yet most of you cream in your pants thinking about Bradford, and who was the better player that night? Oh yeah, I forgot, Tebow might play better because of the Gator's trick plays, right? Hmmm, interesting cop out, that one. Makes me want to drink a beer or two.

Bradford finally played a real defense and was pressured- how did that work out for him? The guy is truly accurate, but let's see here- he's spent most of his career playing out of the shotgun and will have to be retrained to play in a more classic style offense, he's not particularly mobile, and he was exposed somewhat in terms of his ability to handle a pressure defense. No more 50 or 60 point games when he faced a real defense, huh? If you were a GM, which you're not, what do you say- if Tebow isn't worth a 3rd rd pick, what do you say that we move Bradford down to the mid second round? Is that how this brand of logic works?

 

Please....his release is not that bad, and he was whipping some balls out there against Oklahoma. What a great throw of about 25 yards right up the gut, and even that 1st pick- an ill advised throw, but he showed some arm strength getting it out there in the flat.

None of these guys are sure things- Bradford, Stafford, Harrell, Tebow, take your pick. All the guy does is produce, win, and outplay higher rated guys like Bradford. I've seen at least a hundred times the same arguments re: Tebow, but how many times have I seen someone mention that Bradford has been playing out of the shotgun his whole college career and that is a concern? Where are the lemmings then?

For the record, I'm not a Gator fan- I just see a guy who's been a great player- and can be a hell of a pro in my opinion- getting dumped on left and right for no good reason- spare me the arm and footwork mechanics criticisms, please. Mel Kiper, Tod McShay, Marrcellus Wiley take your pick- ESPN probably gives them each a role of tp before they talk about Tebow. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, and I've been wrong many a time before- but I view this overkill of criticism regarding Tebow's game as bullcrap.

 

I could easily see the Jets or Vikings taking Tebow in the 1st 2 rounds. But if I'm a GM looking to steal a QB, when it's rounds 2-4 I'm thinking hmmmm, Graham Harrell....

 

If things were as simple as you often try to make them out to be, then I could see your point. But, seeing as the "real GM's" spend millions of dollars trying to fix these guys mechanics with specialists and QB coaches the change from a run first to a pass first QB must be a little harder than you make out.

As far as discrepancies for the others sure, fine. Do you have a list of QB's who have successfully made the switch? That might be easier to sort through. I am asking you since you obviously have such a sound knowledge of this, that having examples that would enlighten the rest of us may help us get to you level of understanding should be easy to produce - for us uneducated, and knowledge lacking fans.

Seriously, who would you consider to have made the switch from a run first to pass first QB with ease. I say ease because you've said the switch will or can just be made, and as you say "overkill criticism of Tebow to be bull crap". I am assuming you could in fairness, extend that belief to other players or QB's with similar questions regarding their mechanics.

I really do look forward to this list if you find the time to do it.

 

I find it rather odd that you would contradict the assessment of Tebow not being a first day pick when obviously you don't have a clue what first day pick actually means.

 

Morning fella's.. looking forward to some friendly debate here, operative word friendly.. please, no baiting or insults

 

I have no interest in devoting time to researching and compliling lists about this kind of stuff. Sorry, I don't mean to punk out on this, but it's just not worth the time expense to me. If this kind of reasearch is up your alley maybe you can do a study of QBs like Bradford making the switch from pure shotgun formation to classic style under center- what is their success/failure ratio in the pros?

 

Good morning,

It's a nice Sunday morning and it's gonna stay that way! As a failsafe I've got my finger on the ignore button, might be the best move of the day for me- to others so inclined, feel free to put me on ignore as well.

No worries, cnc- time for a nice, relaxing Sunday.

 

Hey, at least you gave it a try, Marty

 

The concept that Miami will be drafting Tebow is even more hilarious than the concept that Tebow is going to be a legitimate NFL QB.

 

Tim. Tebow. CANNOT. Run. The. West. Coast. Offense.

 

Tim tebow has left the building

 

They. might. change. their. offense. considering. who. they. have. playing. Quarterback. now.

That being said, I disagree with your assessment.

 

What, the QB they've spent 3 years turning into a WC passer you mean?

Listen Jim, it clearly isn't getting through and that's fine, you see one think most see another, but I'd like to hear what it is that you see in Tebow that makes you believe he can run a timing offense like in Minny? This is a team with SB talent, who isn't going to invest a 1st round pick in a guy that can't play the system. Can you imagine what would have happened if Tebow had been playing in that Wildcard game against that Jim Johnson defense?

But please, so that most of us can see where you're coming from, what is it that makes you think that in a year, he'll be running a system like that when he runs the spread, has below average footwork, a very slow windup delivery, who doesn't step into his throws and has a tendency to be scattergun with his accuracy.

And the answer ISN'T "give him a years coaching".

 

The QB whom you are referring to is the bust known as Tavaris Jackson, right?

I'll answer your Tebow/WCO offense question, and I'll ask you to back up why you definitively state that he cannot run the WCO. But please, so most of us can see where you're coming from, provide something more than "Tebow can't run the WCO". Fair enough?

WCO- short timing passes used to control a game in lieu of relying upon a running game first and foremost. The field is stretched out horizontally and the QB must be good at short/intermediate routes, be accurate, and throw with good timing.

Think about the Oklahoma and Alabama games- Tebow did make those throws, including a couple of short TD darts against Alabama, and he showed me something against the sooners- beautiful timed throw up the gut for about 25 yards with accuracy and velocity, and that 1st INT- although it was an ill-advised throw, I saw velocity and accuracy there, he just didn't read the DB on that one.

My opinion is that Tebow can run a WCO and has enough arm top get the job done. Does he have Steve Young/Sam Bradford accuracy? No, but he has enough for me and other qualities/intangibles in spades. The footwork- I am so tired of hearing about it- I see it as correctable, you don't, let's move on.

p.s. I'm still patiently waiting for you to call the guy who you worked for over at Great Blue North Draft Report, Colin Lindsday. He views Tebow as a 1st round pick, going #17 to the Jets in his latest mock. According to you is he malfunctioning or just plain stupid? How can he not get that Tebow will be a QB bust at the pro level? Hopefully you'll follow through and contact Mr. Lindsday regarding this issue- I'm truly looking forward to his response. Please let us know when you plan on contacting him, BTW- I'll remind you of this every so often if I have to. After all, you worked for him- he should be willing to provide a little insight, right? If in case you forgot his contact info, here's a link to his site :

http://www.gbnreport.com/

 

Look at Tebow's 2 INT's that were really unforced errors, the first loopty loop he threw was in the air for 30 minutes and I couldve flown to Miami and picked that one off then a throw directly to the DT.

Tebow is awesome as a CFB Qb, but it ends there, if someone wants to try a Matt Jones or Eric Crouch experiment then let that be that teams problem. Our regime is a little too smart to draft Tebow any earlier than the 5th, by then some fannatical coach will have picked him.

He will not be a Dolphin...I doubt Bellicheat selects him early either, remember he is a smart guy.

 

Really- so how far do you mark down Bradford for his 2 picks and for his failure to close in the red zone? Late 1st, early second? Tebow's 1st pass was far from a loopy throw. It was an ill advised pass, but he threw the ball solidly to the right flat.

 

Seriously man, if you think that first pass had solid velocity then those Blue and Orange goggles need cleaned!

Pennington was laughin at that throw.

 

Bullcrap, and I'm far from a Gator fan. I saw that throw closely- I doubt that Pennington can make that throw, although his arm did seem much better this year.

 

That ball gets picked in the NFL 10 out of 10 times, you cant leave the ball in the air that long.

 

It's hard to believe that you actually saw the play after reading a comment like that. I already have plently of other people to discuss this Tebow issue with who disagree with my point of view, so let's just agree to disagree and move on.