A Different Perspective: Pennington, Dolphins Loss Validates Jets Release

Chad never had a full team around him

I have to disagree with you. Never once did Chad have a complete team around him in NY when he was healthy. Nor did he have a complete team around him this year, as we are just building. He is an accurate (highest actually) QB that is intelligent and knows how to run an offense. He helps to elevate the play of those around him.

Chad lead us to MANY comebacks or on drives that put games away this season, not sure what you are talking about.

He had a horrific day on Sunday, no excuses being made. We faced the toughest Defense we played all season long. It showed that we are NOT the team we need to be YET to compete at that level. Nothing more.

This lose wasn't even a set back, but a earned gift of the early opportunity to experience the playoffs for our young team, including our coaches. This lose will pay dividends in the future, mark my words. We have zero reason to hang our heads or question anything about what went on this season, other then we know we need more talent.

 

That premise would resonate more had the Jets traded for someone like Cutler, not a broken down, selfish gunslinger who less than 12 months before, crushed his team's heart on a typically boneheaded interception in overtime - and that's in what I term his "anomaly year" where he actually trained in the offseason. To think that such a QB now with 3 abysmal years out of 4 in every meaningful category, who's a year older, has more "potential" than CP to win a superbowl is pretty much like spending your Powerball winnings before the actual drawing.

 

The young guys get a free pass. sure. And this game will go far in helping them for the future.

But you know who it doesn't really help? The 32 year old QB. Penningtons already lost games int he playoffs for the Jets, and its obvious he didn't learn to much about not trying to force it in the playoffs.

You said it yourself, we're a young team. And pennington will be 33 next year. That's why i said earlier in this thread, im not sure I want him as the starter anymore. Next years schedule looks...rough, to say the least. Our young team is going to have to take some beatings and learn more next year then they did this year. The way i see it, going with henne next year may be a smarter option, for the long run.

 

its pretty hard to ever get a "full team" around a quaterback......if they do, its called a dynasty....its a rare occourance....the dude blew up and almost totaled his 16 game reg season int total in 1 game....

he choked, and i called him on it....i dont care if he had midgets on his offensive line....he made some boneheaded decisions and some crappy throws....

 

Citizen, can't disagree with you. but keep it in perspective, Chad P is not our long term future, he is a short term very needed solution to a position that has stunk for nearly a decade. We finally have a stable guy holding that important spot. At 33, he is not THAT old, he has a few more years in him, especially if our oline protects him, which they did a pretty good job of this season and will get even better.

He is really perfect for what this team needs right now as we are rebuilding a team around him. I suspect he will be our starter next season, unless Henne just blows it up during training camp. Not sure if making the change next season to Henne is smart, give him another year to learn from Penny, give Penny another year to lead our offense through another growth. As you said, we are going to face much tougher teams, his leadership will be vital. We will have to see what happens.

Next season will be tough, we will probably lose more then we did this season. Just another part of the growth. In one year we learned something we were not very good at in recent years, beating those teams we should beat. Now we take the next step forward and from what we saw on Sunday, is going to be very hard. But hard is what makes us better in the long run. It was hard to do what we just did this year.

 

OK, just don't see how that is productive

Yes, normally no one has a complete team around them. As I see it two general elements were missing, seasoning of our younger players and depth. Both of those have time factors, which can't be done in one season.

Yes he had a horrific game, we all know it. But that is an easy explanation and finger pointing. Dig deeper to really see WHY he had a miserable game. Did he all of a sudden forget how to make good decisions or lose his accuracy? No, of course not. We faced the TOUGHEST DEFENSE we have seen all season long, #2 in the entire league. They did a number on our young line and WRs. They shut down on run game, see the comment about our line. They forced Penny into trying to make something happen and he messed up, no excuses.

If you read my posts in the future, you will find I tend to want to look past just the surface to really try to understand who we are as a team, what we are or are not doing, etc. I didn't buy into the idea that because we won 11 games and the AFC East that we were ready to compete for a Super Bowl this year. We weren't, that was made abundantly clear on Sunday.

Love your passion!!

 

Rev good to see you here

Being one of the new kids here, along with Cane, nice to see some old friends. Hope you had a great new year and a very merry Christmas.

 

Agree with that Danny

You are dead on correct. He is our MVP and was #2 consideration in the entire NFL. As we all get, some are very emotional about the lose, understandably. Hard to look past 5 TOs, but that isn't the entire story of that lose.

 

i enjoy having a good, convo with you bro....but the bolded where i quoted is where i disagree to a point....

yes we faced a great defense, but remember we played these guys this season earlier....our defense played even better this time around....chad did everything to give the game away, and we still had a shot to win with 11 minutes left....

he didnt have this melt down against these guys in the regular season....

also, i hate to do this because every season is different....but the ravens defense has been the same for along time....same ed reed, same ray lewis, same bart scott, same suggs, same rolle, same mcalister on the defense....and cleo lemon literally had a better game against the ravens last year then pennington did....

god knows, my 11month old son zachary knows....lemon couldnt hold pennys jock strap, im not saying that....but i dont think we should use "he played a great defense" as an excuse....if penny really is the mvp candidate then he would do against that great defense what THE MVP peyton manning did when he played them.....they put up like 40 points and won running away....

pennington is what we needed this season, managment, leader, smart with the ball, and made our recievers better....but he is not our future (we all know that) and he IMHO is not a superbowl quaterback....

if penny has the ravens defense, then sure....he could win a SB....but to take a 1-15 team, with young guys, and them needing him to take over the game and put it on his shoulders in crunch time to move on in the playoffs? id take many others before i had chad strap up....but thats my opinion

 

but i do thankgod we have pennington to teach IMO our future at the qb spot for years to come chad henne everything he knows....there is no one on earth i would rather our rookie learn from then him!

 

Yep. Only way Ginn catches that pass is if he throws Ed Reed down beforehand. Which, sadly would have still been a better play then what happened, but there was not chance ginn makes that play. or any WR in the league not named Fitzgerald/Calvin/Moss.

 

This is such total BS!!! Every Jet fan, for weeks before the game, was calling all the radio shows and saying how they hate Favre and thought Penny was better and thought that they would be a better team with Penny. I guess Jet fans suffer from some serious A.D.D. One loss and all of a sudden now they're saying this BS. Pssh! Penny had more long completions than did the narcissistic freak Favre. Favre was the dink and dunker. We wouldn't have even been near the playoffs if it wasn't for Penny. He helped us overachieve. He is the perfect QB for us during our rebuilding process. He had one bad game. They should take their Zoloft and chill out, though I think this is probably fabricated BS and speculation by the media.

 

Eh, I don't agree with a bunch of your points. Chad wouldn't have needed to score 28 points if he didn't throw 4 picks and Cobbs doesn't fumble. Our Defense was actually quite good until the end. Would have been different if they weren't put on the field an extra 5 times prematurely. Ginn was not deep and was not covered like a fly when he broke free and Pennington overthrew him. Ginn was not deep and was not covered like a fly when Pennington hit him several times driving down the field ... before he threw another pick.

Were we beating you deep the few times we were driving the ball (before they got derailed by turnovers). Your defense was stifling, but remember, our D was damn good as well. The team did not put anything on Chad's shoulder, he put it on himself. This cannot be denied.

I appreciate your opinion but this one was on Pennington. if he doesn't make those mistakes we are in the game much longer. Maybe our Defense doesn't get tired, who knows, maybe we lose the game still, but those picks can't be blamed on anyone else

 

I was going to let my post get buried and forgotten, which would have been ideal for everyone. It was a mistake for making the post so soon after a disappointing loss; everyone was still emotional over the game.

jdang307 made some good counterpoints to my post. I have further points to make to counter what he just stated above, but at this time it is pointless to drag it out any further. The game's over, and most have moved on and are preparing for what should be a bountiful offseason for Miami.

I'll stay out of this thread; I see that some people either misunderstood what I said or my intentions. For that, I apologize. I could have done a much better job getting my message across in a more articulate and less confusing manner.

Here's to 2009!

 

That is his history? Things have never worked out for him in the playoffs? How about some facts...

Coming into last week's game, Pennington had played in 5 playoff games in his career (the jets all time leader in post season games at qb)
His QB rating in the playoffs was over 83...
He thjrew 7 tds and 4 picks in the 5 games...
4 of the games were on the road...
the Jets won two out of 5 and their FG kicker missed two game winning field goals from inside 40 yards in one of the losses which would have sent them to the AFC championship game...
the Jets were favored, by 1 point, in one of the games and were underdogs in all of the others

Chad's history is to play pretty well in the playoffs

 

Go a little further into the stats...he outplayed Brees, Roethlisberger and P. Manning and was outplayed by Rich Gannon and Brady, in years they won the Superbowl

But he can't play in the playoffs...you don't know what you are talking about

 

Didn't Chad come up big against some very good defenses this year? The writer makes it seem like he's only good against bad teams. Complete BS, probably a Jets fans trying to feel better about his non-playoff team. You can't tell me he'd rather have his team be at home with a big name qb on wildcard weekend than playing....

 

oops I goofed...Brady didn't win the Superbowl in 2006...the Colts did

 

You can't win a game like that alone. Chad was alone on many plays. Yes he had some bad throws but I would guess some of it may have been blown routes and or other receiver errors. The front line threw chad to the wolves on almost every play. Again yes he made mistakes but he wasn't the only one making them. I believe the loss is on the shoulders of the entire offense especially the O line.

 

Chad has won playoff games. It's ridiculous to blame it on Chad because if you put him on a team with a great defense and a good running game he's easily good enough to win a Super Bowl. He willed Miami into the playoffs to begin with. Without him they are not there, much like without him the Jets were not there.

 

Exactly.


It's the oddest thing, some folks think we just naturally belonged in the playoffs and Pennington had very little to do with our run to get there.

Pennington is not the problem, a leaky Oline and middle of the pack Defense were the long term problems, if we want to remain at a high level, both those things will have to be addressed.

 

Rex Grossman has won playoff games. Even got further than Chad ever has.

Just saying ...

 

I was afraid this type of thread was going to happen after the Dolphins lost. Why do we have to dwell on the loss and try and point a finger of blame to players we hold responsible.
We didn't expect to be in that game at this point in the season, just as we didn't expect to finish 11-5 and win the division. Yes Pennington had a bad game but in my opinion he was trying too hard to make something happen and the Dolphins were just beaten by a better team on Sunday.
As far as the Farve and Pennington arguement, Farve may retire again as he acknowledged his heart wasn't in it any more. We, however still have Pennington, but where will the Jets be if Farve retires again? Pennington took us farther than Farve did the Jets so what does that say and thats not even considering all of the money the Jets spent in free agency.

 

Pretty idiotic article... Last time I saw we won the division and got into the playoffs with Chad... The Jets had a "better" and more popular QB, where did that get them? 2 TD and 9 INT's in 4 games and out of the wildcard and AFCE running... The only thing Chad vindicates is we have a better QB than the Jets and won 11 games.

 

The game was lost do to turnovers, lack of a ground game and poor offensive performance. The defense didn't play its best game and that is also a factor. Chad gives us the best chance at Qb on our roster to win and until it is proven otherwise, this is the QB we go to play with.
The point is really mute until someone else proves they can play better. Is this person on the roster, maybe. Everyone gets their chance, so until then, there is no point in getting upset about the situation we are in. Division Champs and a playoff game is one heck of a good start.