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[MERGED] Glazer - Porter ,other players confronted Cameron

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by SICK, Jan 6, 2008.

  1. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    I agree with you but this is the whole point, Cam did stand up and do that because he isnt a leader. If he did do that I bet the players would have respected him more after the incident instead of laughing behind his back as we sit here and type which is something I a sure they are all doing. He completely lost this team. I mean yeah, we can all sit here and say what Porter did was wrong, but how wrong can it be when the WHOLE team was applauding him after he called out Cam?

    I mean, obviously the players agreed with Porter so who are we to say what he did was wrong when the team agreed with him?

    Was ZT wrong to confront Mueller when it was reported that Mueller said ZT didnt have any heart? I dont think so...Zt has been here for 10 year, Mueller for 3...

    Its all the same thing
     
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  2. sabanhater

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    1-15. that's all I have to say..... 1-15. Even the worst of the worst did better than this.
    It's impossible to defend someone who had no business working past his pay grade.
     
  3. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    Not that the assistant/position coaches didn't suck in their own right, but ultimately if the players aren't being put into a position to succeed and it's a coaching issue, Cam was the party ultimately responsible for fixing that. This story just proves that he didn't have what it took to keep a team together. Good riddance.
     
  4. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    Def not. And for all the Cam activists, what were we saying last year about Saban (Not that I am protecting him), "oh no, what will we do, we lost a coach who had a 15-17 record in 2 seasons here"...Well "Oh no, what will we do, we lost a coach who had a 1-15 record in 1 season here"...At least Saban had control of the team...Too bad Saban didnt have control of his Mastif wife

    Remember hater, not protecting him:001_rolleyes:
     
  5. sabanhater

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    poor Cam..... one day he'll grow a spine.
     
  6. sabanhater

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    Wanny = BIG Mistake
    Saban = Horrible Mistake
    Cameron = The worst Mistake in the history of mankind.
     
  7. Vertical Limit

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    So, have you all sent your apology letter to cyberbob? I remember him calling for Cam's head since Week 1. lol
     
  8. dolphindebby

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    What about coach Dungy? He seems to do fine with his soft-spoken ways and his religious ideas! All I'm saying is that Cam acted like a man should and not get into a bunch of stuff in the press and expected his team to act accordingly. But IF all these rumors are true, the players acted like un-professionals, so why is it all on Cam?
     
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  9. phinphever

    phinphever Punk, Make My Day!!

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    I still can't believe everyone is still talking about this.
    I think It is hard to decide who greater at fault Cam or the lousy players not playing well.
    I think it was both. Cam can't make a player have heart. They have to have it already.
    Coaches can't create somthing that isn't there. THey can only shape or guide the development. A lot of the players here were vets with a complete understanding of what was expected of them. They failed miseralbly. SO did Cam. Most player that have played for more than a couple of years don't need to be taught to play. they shouldn't even need coach to keep them motivated. I think the talent brought to the fins over the last few years wouldn't have made it on other teams. So the coaching staff has had to alter their playbooks to accomidate the lack of talent. This is a never ending cycle lousy coaching and lousy talent caused all of this. JJ, wanny, saban, rick speilman, Cameron all have made mistakes of monumential proportions. But the players must be held accountable.
    Cam's gone, so should the players that only ramped it up that last game when parcells was watching. Where were they all season long. What about all the talk in the nfl aobut vetran leadership?
     
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  10. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    Because Cam is the head coach. He's the leader, the rallying point for the team, the guy who has the unquestionable respect and loyalty of the team. He earns all of those things by being a leader, by being a guy who is worthy of respect and loyalty. Cam didn't, hence the players openly revolting against him and him again doing nothing to take charge of the situation.
     
  11. Finfang

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    Professional football players are paid to play football. Not act like children and call out their coach! :glare:
     
  12. ac_lanham

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    And professional coaches are paid to be the leader of a mostly egotistical group of adult males. They should be the voice of reason. The face of the franchise. Cameron wasn't very good at it obviously.
     
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  13. emocomputerjock

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    Being a leader of men in a competitive environment is a rare skill. That's all I'm saying.
     
  14. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    I agree but hey, they ENTIRE team appluaded Porter, so are you going to blame the WHOLE team or the coach. Realistically, Cam should have taken control of the situation before it got out of hand, he did, and in essence allowed it to escalate, to that degree, how can you feel bad for Cam? It was his team and needed to take control of the situation
     
  15. phinphever

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    All the players knew cam was a sinking ship and like rats they jumped ship. But now a new captain is on board. Don't be surprised if a lot of the rats have to walk the plank.
     
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  16. dolpns13

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    thats fine with me...Porter just said what was on every player in that locker rooms mind...regardless of whos fault, were better off without a coach who cant command respect from his players..
     
  17. dolphindebby

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    I never said I felt bad or sorry for Cam. I just think he handled it the only way he could, at the time. And again, IF it is true. Where's the proof other than another article written by someone not even there. There was a post on another forum that said Zach said a lot of the press was un-true, him & Feeley were supposedly interviewed on a live radio broadcast yesterday, I think. He's gone now, can't we just wish him luck and HOPE bp does us right??
     
  18. phinphever

    phinphever Punk, Make My Day!!

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    They are all at fault. Cam and mueller and the players everyone is at fault for this mess.
    I could give a crap about most of these scumbags. CUT most of their lousy worthless <blank> expelitive deleted. I think only about 10-15 players should be retained.
    Clean house baby. Good ridance to the garbage in the front office, coaches and players.
     
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  19. like2god

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    But is it up to the players to call out their HC in public like todays article said or should they be doing it behind closed doors? And why can't the teams supposed leaders stand up to their fellow teammates to get their butt in gear? Instead Joey, JT and Zach all ran their mouth to the HC (who shares the blame, but isn't solely responsible for the way the season played out). The players need to be held accountable too.

    Maybe if Joey had learned the playbook sooner, maybe the season wouldn't have been so bad.

    Maybe if JT had been a leader and stood up to his teammates, maybe the season wouldn't have been so bad.
     
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  20. phinphever

    phinphever Punk, Make My Day!!

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    I agree completely. Well said.
     
  21. dolpns13

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    I agree! Now that culture we were all used to in 07 is far far gone now that parcells wont put up with the crap
     
  22. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    Who stepped in up in that last game Phin? The team got blown out by the Bungles.

    I'll offer this point, if you make it to the NFL, you are already highly motivated. If you succeed for a long time in the NFL, you are highly motivated. The vast majority of NFL players give 100% every Sunday. Because that is what got them there, and if they don't, they'll get hurt. And when they lose, it only feels worse knowing you didn't give it your best shot.
    What separates teams in the NFL? First is talent. No doubt. But what separates a 1-15 team with limited talent, and a 4-12 team with limited talent? Simple answer, Coaching. You have to believe that you are headed in the right direction to give that extra effort, that effort that takes you from being a successful player in the NFL to being a winner in the NFL. And if you don't believe in the person leading you, no amount of personal motivation is going to overcome it.
    Losing games does not help get veterans on your side. As Cam was losing 13 straight to open the season, he was aware of this. But he couldn't pull off the one desperate win that may have helped get the team to believe in his leadership.

    Taylor, and Thomas have never EVER been known as malcontents in their entire careers.
    Why would they speak out now? Did Cam bring out their true colors? Do you believe that? Or did Cam simply show that he wasn't cut for the role of head coach? Forcing Taylor and Thomas to finally say enough is enough. Because they have single handedly won more games as MLB and DE for the Dolphins than Cam ever could.
     
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  23. His'nBeatYour'n

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    It took until the end of the season before these veterans spoke out. Why did they hold their tongues so long?
    What evidence is there that the players weren't holding each other accountable? How much yelling can be done on a 1-15 team before there is division in the locker room?

    The team as a whole, though perhaps the defense as a unit more so, played flat all season. What individuals played so much worse that they deserved to be called out individually by their teammates?
     
  24. finfansince72

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    Porter was such a god awful signing. I think his signing--to a crazy contract with WAY too much guaranteed money is a big reason why the front office was shook up. His play isn't worth the cash and he's a terrible team guy as well.
     
  25. like2god

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    One good example would be Joey Porter not being familiar with the playbook until a few games into the season. I blame Joey, the coaching staff and fellow players for not making sure that he was prepared. I know if I saw a teammate not up to speed, I would make it my business to see that he knew his assignments, knew where he was supposed to be and knew what the hell he was supposed to be doing out there. JMO

    Also, why didn't Zach, JT or anyone else step up to tell Porter to shut his mouth? When you are an 0-forever team, you shouldn't be running your mouth and making guarantees of victory every week.
     
  26. dolpns13

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    He started producing nicely after the second half of the season. Gotta be happy with that.
     
  27. PMZQ

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    The win was two weeks before the blowup. All of this occured from the plane ride home from NE (the Traylor fight on the plane) to the next day in preparation for Cincinnatti.
     
  28. PMZQ

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    I took away that feeling too. No one defended Cam at all, not Beck or Ginn even had the guts to do it. And the fact that his own prize FA signing was the guy giving it to him, is in fact I'm sure all The Big Tuna needed to see. Who knows, maybe even the Big Tuna instigated it :confused2:
     
  29. PMZQ

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    Truth is not slander. After the way he treated Daunte, and the lies and slander put out about him, its karma baby...its karma. It bites you in the butt every time.
     
  30. PMZQ

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    Oh I think that message has already been delivered in not so many subtle ways. I also don't think if we get Sparano that he is a wallflower type like Cam, and he'll get in people's faces. Maybe not as much as Satan did, but the middle somewhere.....just where its right. Parcells will steady his hand, whoever the coach is, in contolling this team.
     
  31. zach8111

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    Parcells had no other choice than fire Cam.

    This might have been posted before but i just read this and found it very interesting, so this is for the people who havent read it yet.
    For those of you who wanted Cam to stay (and i was one of them until i read this) here is why Cam couldn't stay.

    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2008/01/camerons-final.html

     
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  32. texanphinatic

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    It has been :)
     
  33. finfansince72

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    Not really. We gave him a HUGE contract and we got half a year from him? And adding to that he's been terrible in the clubhouse and off the field? This is one of the worst signings in our history. I would bet my next paycheck that if it wasn't for that huge amount of guaranteed money Parcells would part ways with this turd.
     
  34. Bpk

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    It's like hearing myself talking... excpet no one listened to me. I am not just listening to you, but also agreeing with *every word*.

    By the way, where in So Cal are ya?

    Cheers,

    Bpk in LA
     
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    True. but does it take a real man to be scared of players under his authority? (Or at least to act scared enough that most of them are convinced he is a coward) Does it tke a real man to sport a 'deer-in-headlights' look half the time?

    Not a born leader in tough times. He fine when things go well, but not tough enough to be a disciplinarian on a sinking ship.

    Bpk in LA
     
  36. Bpk

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    Fully agree.

    besides, I'd love to see the people who think Porter was RIGHT to do this go in to work tomorrow and scream profanities at their boss in front of all the employees. Call him a coward, with no spine, and swear lots.

    Then try to convince the higher ups that this needed to be done for the good of the company.

    See how long it is before all your stuff is packed up in boxes and on the curb.

    Gee, I wonder why that would be??? could it be that it is absolutely unacceptable??? And don't give me the "he has FIRE" bs. Military men have FIRE but can't get away with that either. It's called insubordination and you are court martialled for it.

    Porter is a damned locker room cancer, exacerbated by a weak head coach on a sinking-ship of a team. Those don't add up to good things happening behind closed doors, as we have seen.

    Bpk in LA
     
  37. phinphever

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    When are we gonna get away from this BS about Karma. Give me a break. Cam/mueller had every right to bring in or let go any talent they wanted. they may have made the wrong decision. But it was their decision. NO player deserves anything. No player decserves a chance to compete. They are not owed anything. Daunte created his own problem. He stopped his rehab early and lied about his condiition to get back on the field. He deserved his plight. He sucks as a quarter back. He collected his 8 million. He isn't hurting. To sit on a bike and ride. I had to laugh, when he was complainin about how he had to take care of his family. He just made 8 million to sit on his butt. how much more taken care of can be done for him. My god, when are we going to get away from this love fest for these multi millionare spoiled premadonna players who deserve all this stuff. You know what they deserve NOTHING, SQUAT, NADA.
     
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  38. Califin

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    By having narrowly averted an 0-16 fate, I held no ill will for Cameron, and that was following the week that gave the clearest hint of locker room unrest.

    Fact is, this is clearly an agressive sport, that harbors agressive player mentalities.

    As such it requires someone who can command respect, and drive those players to reach goals, that must otherwise be challenged or impugned upon them by no one other than the coach himself.
    Cameron touched on this very issue, in the speech he delivered upon his HC acceptance. with a statement he made about personal toughness, he acquired from his former coaches, that now looking back, perhaps rang hollow. With the year that cam endured however, player mutiny would be all but certain in any locker room, even the Dolphins.

    Dungy is soft spoken, but his voice should never be confused with weak, wavering, indecisive, vulnerable or in any way submissive.
    To have forged the wicked defensive teams he amassed, clearly revealed the respect he wields, along with a proven ability to mold the mind, and attitude of prototypically aggressive player profiles.

    I'll never forget the incredible composure he cast, when facing the media a couple years back, following the suicidal death of his son, while surrounded by compassioned peers, consoled by weeping players, and amidst grieving family members, a mournful Dungy, emerged from a week and a half of private reclusion with family, about the length of time it takes most of us for the truth to actually set in, stood up before the sympathetic crowd, and with mic in hand, spoke at incomprehensible length and composure about his son's passing. In an articulate, eloquent, and reflective manner, he delivered a heartfelt address about his son's life, without so much as a hint of emotional waver, or glimmer of welling eye. The dude was a piller of absolute granite.
     
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  39. Silverphin

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    He didn't stop his rehab early. The doctors cleared him. Besides, Culpepper wouldn't be the first, nor last, player to lie about his condition.
     
  40. dolphindebby

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    I said it was my opinion, that he acted like a real man, and it still is my opinion! Like I said it would have been easy to just let it rip, but he didn't. Because he can be calm in the storm, that is the Dolphins, at this time, doesn't mean he's a wimp. Could it be that he, like a lot of the fans, just gave up? Could it be, that the players, especially Porter, are obnoxious jerks, that didn't deserve any acknowledgement for their childish behaviour? I have always admired men like him & Dungy, that aren't afraid to go against every one elses opinions and ideas, whether it be about their faith, demeanor or goals. So bash me if you want, I can take it, quietly, and without a deer-in- the- headlights look and still be a real woman.
     

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