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2009 Miami Dolphins Draft/Offseason Thread

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by RealDriscoll, Dec 1, 2008.

  1. RealDriscoll

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    It's way too early for Mock drafts and all that good fun because there are too many top players who are undecided Juniors. That list contains names such as Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Terrence Cody, Michael Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, Brandon Spikes, Sen'Derrick Marks, Greg Hardy, etc. IMO Bradford will win the Heisman and come out. Terrence Cody will be a Top 5 pick and the Lions should consider him greatly at #1 overall. With that said the Dolphins will be drafting in the 18-24 overall spot and there are 4 players who I feel bare watching. I would not count out players such as Rey Maualua, Aaron Curry, William Moore, BUT these are the 4 guys who I think it should come down to.

    -Sen'Derrick Marks-Defensive Tackle-Auburn
    * His first step is devistating and without question reminds me of Jay Ratliff in Dallas. Marks plays with a high motor and would make an immediate impact.

    -Clint Stintin-Outside Linebacker- Virginia
    *This kid plays with a fire that very few play with. Al Groh has ties witht he Tuna and he is singing the praises of Stintim. Stintim is an upgrae over Roth as soon as he is drafted.


    - Peria Jerry-Defensive Tackle-Ole Miss
    * This guy could be under the radar but he is one of the best Defensive Tackle's I have seen on tape. He is strong, quick, and plays with power.

    -Everette Brown-Defensive End-Florida State
    * This is #1 on my wishlist b/c I see Brown as the closest thing to Demarcus Ware in the draft. He has blazing spped for a guy his size and will probably run a 4.6 forty at the combine. He would replace Matt Roth as a starter and ultimatly give the Dolphins a force opposite of Joey Porter.

    In Round 2 there are two guys who I feel we should covet.

    BJ Raji-Defensive Tackle-Boston College
    *Raji spends more time in the opponents backfield than the running back. He is a hole clogger who plays with a mean streak.

    Lary English-Defensive End-Northern Illinois
    *I know Boomer is high on this kid and there is no reason not to be. If he was there for our second 2nd rounder and we didn't take him I would conteplate being a Lions fan.

    Also, Rashard Johnson has to be a possibility with our lack of a Free Safety.

    In the later rounds I love Antoine Caldwell (Center -Alabama), Jasper Brinkley-Inside Linebacker-South Carolina) and Dominique Johnson-(Cornerback-Jackson State).

    Should Kevin Barnes fall for any reason to Round 3 than he better be a Dolphin

    A perfect draft for me would look like...

    1. Everette Brown-Defensive End/Outside Linebacker-Flordia State
    2A: BJ Raji-Defensive Tackle-Boston College
    2B: Kevin Barnes-Cornerback-Maryland
    3: Antoine Caldwell-Center-Alabama
    4: Pat White-Wide Receiver/Athlete-West Virginia
    5: Brandon Gibson-Wide Receiver-Washington State
    7A:Andy Kemp-Offensive Guard-Wisconsin
    7B:Lydon Murtha-Offensive Tackle-Nebraska
    7C:Terrell Skinner-Safety-Maryland
     
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    In terms of Free Agency Keep an Eye on...

    Marc Colombo-Offensive Tackle
    OJ Atogwe-Safety
    Bryant McFadden-Cronerback
    Chris Canty-Defensive End

    These are the guys I see us bringing in. I thi Yeremiah Bell will be resigned and that Matt Roth, Vernon Carey, and Channing Crowder are goners. Samson Satele will not be a starter and might be used for depth.

    Quarterback: We are solid here with Pennington and Henne. John Beck is not a terrible insurance policy what so ever.

    Running Back: We have Ronnie and Ricky. Patrick Cobbs might be the most underrated player in the league. Ronnie Brown is elite (Sorry Boomer) but he has to get more touches to prove so. Ricky seems to have refound that burst. Polite is a solid Fullback.

    Wide Receiver: Sure we need a big, physical player here but Bess, ginn, and Camarillo are all developing into very good players. Bess could wind up being one of the better slot receivers in the league. If Ginn can work on his consistency than he could be a real threat.

    Tight End: Fasano is a solid blocker but we need someone who will be more of a force in the passing game. David Martin has played solid thus far.

    Offensive Line: Hopefully Smiley is better for next year because him, Jake Long, and Donald Thomas are the only sraters that return to their role. Samson Satele could be moved to Guard or Kept for Depth purposes. Andy Allemen provides solid depth. Al Johnson is someone we just signed with good experience. Sign Colombo and draft Antoine Caldwell in Round 3 and gives us

    Jake Long-Justin Smiley-Antoine Caldwell-Donald Thomas-Marc Colombo

    Now that is an offensive line.

    Defensive Line: We need a young defensive tackle to groom behind Jason Fergeson. Paul Soliai has been a major let-down. Langford and Merling are the real deal and will be very good players. Remember that they are rookies. Vonnie has another season left in him.

    Linebackers: Akin Ayodele has been very good while Joey Porter has been outstanding. I don't think we bring back Crowder or Roth.

    Secondary: Will Allen is a Top 10 corner. Andre Goodman might get a new contract. Mike Lehan will be back. Jason Allen is very important to our team. We need to lock up Yeremiah Bell. Renaldo Hill is a goner.
     
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  3. joeydolfan

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    Swap out Clint Sintim in the 1st with Brown and I can live with that draft. Sintim already has the experience playing as a 3 - 4 outside backer as compared to Brown who is mainly used as a DE with his hand in the ground.

    One really interesting aspect to watch in this upcoming draft depending on which Juniors declare will be the OL position and its depth especially at the OT. Very good crop came out last year which reduces the need of the position for this coming draft. I have a feeling there will be a run on the board of DT and DE in the 1st round which will cause some very good OL to be had in the 2nd all the way to the 3rd possibly 4th round.
     
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  4. ckparrothead

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    Since you mention the off season as a we should note the Chris Gamble received a contract extension. He's now among the top 5 highest paid corners in the league.
     
  5. ckparrothead

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    I don't see Miami taking an injured cornerback like Kevin Barnes as high as the 2nd round. It just won't happen. Not with this regime. They're too wary of value traps.
     
  6. RealDriscoll

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    Gamble did get paid. Maybe too much, Maybe Not. Despite Andre Goodman playing well we need someone better opposite of Will Allen. Bryant McFadden is the perfect fit. It depends on our cap situations. Adding the likes of McFadden, Atogwe and Colombo would be a hell of an off-season IMO. Combine that with a draft that consist of...

    1. Everette Brown-Defensive End/Outside Linebacker-Flordia State
    2A: BJ Raji-Defensive Tackle-Boston College
    2B: Larry English-Defensive End-Northern Illinois
    3: Antoine Caldwell-Center-Alabama
    4: Jasper Brinkley-Inside Linebacker-South Carolina
    5: Brandon Gibson-Wide Receiver-Washington State
    7A:Andy Kemp-Offensive Guard-Wisconsin
    7B:Lydon Murtha-Offensive Tackle-Nebraska
    7C:Terrell Skinner-Safety-Maryland

    and the roster we have is...

    QB: Chad Pennington/Chad Henne/ John Beck
    RB: Ronnie Brown/Ricky Williams/ Patrick Cobbs
    FB: Polite/Kasey Kramer
    TE: Anthony Fasano/David Martin/ Joey Haynos
    WR: Greg Camarillo/Brandon Gibson
    WR: Ted Ginn/ Davone Bess/ Ernest Wilford
    LT: Jake Long/ Ikechuku Ndukwe
    LG: Justin Smiley/Samson Satele
    C: Antoine Caldwell/Al Johnson
    RG: Donald Thomas/ Shawn Murphy/Andy Allemen
    RT: Marc Colombo/ Lydon Murtha
    K: Dan Carpenter
    P: Brandon Fields
    DE: Vonnie Holliday/Phillip Merling
    DE: Kendall Langford/ Quentin Moses
    DT: Jason Fergeson/BJ Raji
    OLB: Joey Porter/Larry English
    OLB:Clint Stintim/Charlie Anderson
    ILB: Akin Ayodele
    ILB: Jasper Brinkley-Reggie Torbor
    CB: Bryant MCFadden/Mike Lehan
    CB: Will Allen/Jason Allen/Nate Jones
    S: Yeremiah Bell/
    S: Oj Atogwe/Terrell skinner
     
  7. RealDriscoll

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    Replace Everette Brown with Stintim.
     
  8. ckparrothead

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    Personally I'd like to stick Otis Wiley into our secondary at free safety. I have no idea why the guy doesn't get more credit.
     
  9. anlgp

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    Goodman and Bell are both 30/31. Bell is an awesome player and "goodie" has made a few plays as well this year but their age makes me think that somewhere along the line we'll be picking up DBs if nothing for an infusion of youth at the position.

    For the record I want them to draft OLB/NT/DB/Oline with their top three picks in that order. You guys know who they are better than I do.
     
  10. joeydolfan

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    shhhhh, late round sleeper we want to keep quite.
     
  11. ckparrothead

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    Late round sleeper only to the draftnik world. The scouts know who he is. He just got voted by the coaches in the Big Ten to All-Big Ten First Team. They know who he is.
     
  12. joeydolfan

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    Not getting the national exposure due to who he plays for? What round do you think he will go in next year??
     
  13. ckparrothead

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    I guess he's not getting much national exposure. Who knows what round he goes in, what he runs at the Combine will probably be big for that, but I know he's a good 6'2" and 210 pounds and he can play nickel CB, punt returner...so he's got quickness. Maybe round two. Maybe round four.
     
  14. RealDriscoll

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    In Round 4 Wiley is a steal. I have seen him play and the kid is a gamer.

    the Draft Debate for me is Stintim vs Everette Brown. I know Stintim has more experience in the 3-4 but Brown's speed and rush ability reminds me of Demarcus Ware. I am a Maryland Alumni and season ticket holder so I go to every game. The speed Everette Brown has is amazing to the edge. Lining up against Kameron Wimbley I can tell you from experience that Wimbley's game speed is nowhere near Brown's. I think both would be great picks but the ceiling for Brown has to be higher. With that said I also had the chance to see Stintim play and I must admit the guy is an intense leader who makes everyone around him better.
     
  15. Boomer

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    Brown is a one way player. It's not even a debate. Sintim was born to play 3-4 OLB. Brown can only go forwards.

    And I say this as an FSU fan.
     
  16. Boomer

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    i origionally wrote this about 6 weeks ago in the Club:

     
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  17. RealDriscoll

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    Stintim was born to be a Dolphin.
     
  18. ckparrothead

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    Yeah the signs definitely point strongly toward Sintim at the moment. He's very strong and savvy on the strong side, and can rush the passer, which Matt Roth cannot.
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    If we teamed Bart Scott up with Channing Crowder and Joey Porter, we would easily have the meanest, most trash-talking, most emotionally out of control group of linebackers in the NFL. You'd have to wonder how many personal fouls they could accumulate together. Heck, I'd be worried Bart Scott would bring a knife to the game and try and cut someone. Channing would look the other way and Joey would bring his boys in to kick the guy on the ground afterwards.

    But, in all honesty...team them up with Clint Sintim at LOLB and that doesn't sound so bad. What a group that would be, Sintim, Scott, Crowder and Porter? Talk about attitude. Replace Sintim with Greg Hardy and that would be it. We'll be getting ejections left and right.
     
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  20. Disgustipate

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    I don't know why no one has mentioned Albert Haynesworth. The Titans can't franchise him, his agreement with them last year precluded it if he reached some incentives which are pretty much impossible for him to fail to meet at this point.

    Haynesworth pretty much is the prototypical 1-gap DE in this defense, but he's big and powerful enough that he could easily replace Jason Ferguson, and not have it be a waste of his abilities.

    I'd agree with this. We look like we've legitimately got three young starting quality WRs. We don't have a for-sure #1 WR at this point, but it isn't outside of the realm of possibility that one of the three turn into it.
     
  21. ckparrothead

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    If Haynesworth is prototypical anything in this defense, it's playing the nose spot for us the way Kris Jenkins is playing it up in New York. Jenkins has almost single-handedly transformed that defense up there. Haynesworth could do the same, no disrespect to Ferguson.

    Regardless he will NOT make it to market. And for some reason I thought he already signed an extension.
     
  22. joeydolfan

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    Now that would be a dream come true scenario in either case. I still think Hardy is a better pass rusher than Sintim and is more athletic, just don't know how much his past transgressions will affect him in the draft.
     
  23. ckparrothead

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    I don't know about more athletic (probably) but definitely the better pass rusher. Also far less experienced than Sintim, though.

    Bart Scott has me intrigued.
     
  24. Disgustipate

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    I'd tend to agree that he could do the same kinda thing as NT, but I'd think the team might be just as inclined to have him replace Vonnie Holliday too.

    I don't think it's really as crazy as any other big name FA. Crazy **** can happen, and I don't think it would be shocking if Haynesworth would want to test market value.

    I think that Karlos Dansby offers you a very similiar kinda player, arguably with lesser name recognition and baggage.
     
  25. ckparrothead

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    Karlos Dansby has a bigger name than Bart Scott, IMO...and would cost more.
     
  26. RealDriscoll

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    I live in Baltimore and Bart Scott reminds me of a few other ex-Raven linebackers in Jamie Sharper and Ed Hartwell. They are a product of playing in a very good defense and next to one of the greatest defensive players to play the game in Ray Lewis. I don't want Bart Scott anywhere near this team.

    The only player worth breaking the bank for in this off-season is Alberty Haynesworth. I think he will remain a Titan but if not he is worth every penn. I think he is the most dominant player in the game.
     
  27. kyfinsfan

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    Aaron Curry (as an OLB) is a player who I think CAN play, but isn't mentioned much on this board. To CK, Boomer, Driscol, Con, et al - do you believe that Curry will be gone prior to the Fins pick (somewhere around 17-22...19 as of today). Or do you believe that Stinton is merely a better fit. Also interesting is that Cody (should he come out) may very well fall directly into that draft path.

    My rationale on the Cody situation is as follows. He is a 3-4 nose tackle - that's about it. I don't know that he could be a 4-3 DT. So perhaps he's a bit lower on the 4-3 boards than the calibur player he is. What's more, given the questions regarding his size and work habits (fair or not) he may slide out of the top 10. If you look at the teams drafting before the Fins, the 3-4 teams are: KC (perhaps a bit of a hybrid there), Oakland, Cleveland, & SD. All of those are top 10 picks. Maybe they like Cody that much but Cleveland & SD are set at NT...I don't see Oakland taking him (wtih Davis in charge) and KC that early, needing a QB (will Bradford come out?). Cody may very well slide out of the top 10. Next potential Cody suitor = NE (they pick right before us as of today...that'll be an interesting sub-plot). So there you have the Cody sliding theory.

    Am I crazy or could you have a Cody-English; Stintim/Curry - Raji in 1-2..really good crop of OLBs for the Fins to pick from (probably the deepest position along with OT in this year's draft). Could prove quite nice for us Fin fans. Incidentally, I LOVE the Phins chances of finding quality OL players in late 2/early 3 this year.

    thoughts?
     
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    This is information about AH

    tennessean.com

    He is due to become a FA after this year and those are some things he needs to meet to become an UFA.

    For those of you looking at OLine and who could be picking or trading in FA take a look at my charts (I have the LT as well I just have to put it up in that particular spot).
     
  29. Conuficus

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    Well, to be honest Curry would probably get kicked inside in this defense. Most of the first round talk has centered around the OLB spot. Curry is best suited inside the way we play defense to be honest with you. In a 4-3 he would be an OLB, but for a 3-4, probably not.

    I think Cody will be bypassed by us to be honest, but there are a great deal of prospects that will be around when we pick in the 2nd round.

    IMO there a few great prospects out there for OLB, some of them can be found later on like my dark horse: Julius Williams - I still say this guy's stock will rise come April for 3-4 teams.
     
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    I think Aaron Curry has Saints written all over him. He can play Inside or Outside and he will be gone before we pick. Luckily Clint Stintim will be there and he is a better player for our system. I grade Stintim at a 95, with Aaron Curry being a 94 so I have them close. I am in no means an expert. However, I played in the ACC just a few years back, have season tickets, and follow the conference closely and can tell you that I have really watched Everette Brown, Clint Stintim, Aaron Curry,Alphono Smith, Michael Johnson,Darrius heyward Bay, Kevin Barnes, BJ Raji, etc. extensively. I think if we could get Stintim and Raji our defense would be scary.
     
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    Will Arizona re sign Boldin or does he test the water? If he wants to see what he can get in FA , do we go after him? He is one of two high cost players I wouldnt mind going after , the other being albert.
     
  32. King Felix

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    i hope we draft sammie stroughter in the late rounds
     
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    They may re-sign him, but he still has 2 years left on his contract after this one, so i can't see him hitting FA any time soon.
     
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    I wouldn't mind either. Kid makes plays, likes the ball when the game is on the line. So far he's a guy to watch IMO.
     
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    Yeah Sintim has been on my radar for a bit, and I think it is no secret that I'd have his man babies. :lol:
     
  36. texanphinatic

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    Depends on how much they offer vs. what he thinks he might be able to get most likely. I think he stays put though, they will want to keep as much of that offense intact as they can.
     
  37. Boomer

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    Me too, although Sammie will have a lot of questions to answer with regards his depression and the effect it has on his life.
     
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    There's a lot of love for Sintim on this baord but Curry is the better prospect. Curry is a Top Ten blue chipper. The reason there's so much talk about Sintim is because he's likely to still be on the board when we pick at 21. If Curry is still on the board at 21 he is definitely our pick. 100% guaranteed.

    The first round is all about the BPA.

    Good point about Cody by the way. There's a definite possibility that the Patriots will be picking ahead of us. With that mind, all of you guys who like Sintim better not get your hopes up until the draft order is set. Belichick is likely to snatch Sintim right out from under us.
     
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  40. Boomer

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    Curry will probably end up in the top 10 when all's said and done.
     
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