Dorsey, Long, etc...Does it really matter??

Thats why I dont get too involved in the draft and mock threads

 

While Sedrick Ellis is a fine prospect NO ONE in the know rates him near as high as Dorsey. Dorsey has amazing potential and most of the Dorsey naysayers around here do not know how to evaluate a DT or what to watch for on film. He is not injury prone nor is his injury likely to be recursive.

That being said I still think Chris Long is my personal favorite, but the margin is slim. Between him and Dorsey we can't miss. If we trade down I think the target becomes Gholston rather than Ellis.

 

And he's healthy now so it is a non issue. Plenty of players get hurt at some point. Dorsey never suffered a major injury and poses no more injury risk than any other player. As far as Ellis being comparable to Dorsey...phew not even close. Ellis doesn't generate an upfield push or penetrate like Dorsey. And size wise they are very similar. Ellis is slightly larger, but we are talking minuscule amounts here. Dorsey wreaks havoc on offensive interiors. Ellis is just a good DT prospect.

 

I agree, unless there was a Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer type as wehn they came out as that slam dunk no brainer selection at #1, and your deciding between a couple stud DL or OT or even macFadden, Im not sure it matters asmuch as everyone makes it out, seeing that half the threads sem o eb about that 1 player. The trades, hopefully that #1 pick and the numerous picks afterwards this year and next, as well as filling all the coaching spots with quality coaches and makin smart FA moves will turn this franchise around sooner rather than later. Dont get me wrong, Ill be excited as the next die hard when the draft rolls around and were on the clock, but really after that selection is made, its only 1 player coming to a team that needs basically a complete makeover.

 

We're forgetting about how freakishly strong Dorsey is too. Watching him toss O-linemen around with just his arms is amazing. His quickness and physical skills are equally obscene. I still can't get that image of him sailing through the air like superman and leveling VT's Brandon Ore out of my mind.

I was also torn between Long and Dorsey, until I asked my self who has more upside, or who will free up others around them. Both probably will, but Dorsey will do it more. I think he'll wreak more havoc.

 

Back problems can bite us remeber daryl gardner. He was a beast, but his carieer was cut short by back problems.

 

Tim Bowens had to retire because of back problems too

 

Well since Dorsey has never suffered a back injury then this isn't really an issue! Dorsey's injury this year was a leg injury from a wicked illegal block Auburn threw on him. He also had a bruised tailbone for a while. Neither injury involved the back or is chronic in nature.

 

off-topic - jason8 that is a heck of an avatar. I'd love to know how that encounter ended up....

 

THeir "Size" is also different. Ellis isnt going to get much bigger. He just doesnt have the frame. Dorsey could easily pack on an extra 10-15 lbs and still be very athletic.

Another thing is the athleticism. It has been duely noted that Dorsey could in fact play DE 1/2 the time. I have NEVER seen that said of Sedrick Ellis

 

the helicopter that took the picture let the shark eat the guy in the kayak

 

Well I dont know about dorsey the oringinal post said he had back problems?

 

When I watch him play I just find myself in awe on how often the offensive play ends up altered in the backfield. He just seems to toss the o-linemen around like rag dolls and even if he doesn't make the play he seriously alters it. His burst is phenomenal.

 

Dorsey has had a great career at LSU and he is definitely one of the most dominant defensive players in the game, but I don't think we can take a chance on a guy with leg/back problems. Why deal with the risk? I think Chris Long will likely be a guy who we could have as a starter for many years, and if he is half of the player Howie Long was, then we have to take him. I would still prefer we try and trade down, but if not, Chris Long would be a great pickup

 

Misinformation then. Dorsey has been battling a leg injury from an illegal hit in the Auburn game all year. Gardner battled chronic back problems which were nagging and just would not go away. Dorsey has no history of these injuries.

 

First of all, in response to the initial post...

I think most of us realize we need more players and would love a trade down a few spots for more picks. However, if we don't see there being the one player at the top to build a franchise around, WHY would anyone else trade multiple picks to get to the top of the draft?

As for does it matter? MOST definitely. You have to start somewhere. IF you make the wrong pick at #1 and the guy ends up being a bust... that just will set us back at least one more year. Probably more bc of the contract the guy will get. That is why you spend the money and get the right FO people in place to evaluate and make those decisions...

 

LMAO. OK one last time. Dorsey does not nor has he ever had, a problem with back injuries. His injury was a knee sprain and a bruised tailbone.

 

I know it was taken in South Africa, but I have no idea how the encounter went. Although, the odds of that kayaker having an uncontrolled bowel movement are pretty high.

 

I guess you know more about his injury then the Sun-Sentinel....you must be Dorsey's doctor????:

"Dorsey swept all those awards despite being hindered by injuries over his final five games. He strained his right knee against Auburn when hit with a controversial chop block on Oct. 20. He hobbled noticeably through the rest of the season. He was also nagged by a lower back injury."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-flspdorsey06sbjan06,0,1743415.story

 

So, can you go into more detail on this back injury? I have heard several slipped disks and fuzed vertebrae?

 

that lower back injury would be his bruised tailbone. Technically your butt is your lower back. This is not a back injury in the vein of what you are thinking.

 

The "Lower Back Injury" was discussed at length already. It was a bruised tail-bone

 

Bottom Line: Why take Dorsey, when there are several other healthy players who are just as good if not better?

 

LOL! Well I hear he was partially paralyzed and dumb, deaf and blind and still managed 11.5 sacks!

 

My God what draft are you watching!!!???

The only two players in Dorsey's catagory are Chris Long and Mcfadden. Chris Long and Dorsey are verrrryyy close in terms of talent. If you prefer Chris Long fine. I go back and forth between them. Mcfadden is on a comperable level as well but it is an apples to oranges comparison. Plus DT is a far bigger need than rb now. If we are stuck at one these are the three dominant players in the draft. Why look anywhere else?

 

I know he wore braces on his legs as a kid and I saw an interview of how he had to overcome this to even walk normally. I can respect that. I just think the team needs to make sure they check him out physically at the combines...if he has a clean bill of health ok, if not we have other options.

 

I NEVER said anything about McFadden...the only other player I mentioned was Chris Long. If we need a back we can get the guy from East Carolina late in the 2nd round or even a Ray Rice.

 

The beauty is we do have options. Heck even if we manage a trade down there will be guys like Gholston and Clady to take a look at. I like our position in this draft...of course when you have the #1 pick I guess that should be a given.

 

Agree on Long, I wouldnt be upset if we went with him, although, I think Dorsey does more for us

Sorry, I am completely off the McFadden Band wagon. I watched him VERY closely his last two games...I am not even sold on him being the best RB in the draft

 

I don't remember a low back injury per se, but I do recall hearing that he had low back pain. An anterior coccyx has many referred pain patterns. Hip, groin, and yes, the low back. I see it in my practice all the time, especially in women. (Don't tell Dorsey I said that.)

 

I have no desire to spend our first on Mcfadden, but I'm curious...what running back do you prefer to him? I just know when I look at the draft I pray to God none of these three guys ends up slipping to the Jets or Patriots.

 

Chris Johnson of East Carolina is the guy I like....I believe he runs a 4.3 40.....and should be around in the 2nd round, unless he goes crazy in the combines. If Ronnie Brown is still a little gimpy, and Ricky fails another drug test, I would scoop him up, and pass on McFadden.

"East Carolina running back Chris Johnson ran through the Boise State defense during the second quarter of the Hawaii Bowl football game at Aloha Stadium on Sunday, Dec. 23, 2007, in Honolulu. East Carolina defeated Boise State 41-38. Johnson set an NCAA bowl record with 408 all-purpose yards."

 

Hopefully he's not like the last speedy E. Carolina RB we had.

 

I have a problem with taking a DL No. 1 overall who had just 1 sack in 12 games. Yes, even a DT. Even an NT, for that matter. He's a good player and a good run stuffer who does get a nice push on occasion, but IMO you have to be able to get to the QB to warrant that kind of pick. LSU's defense gave up some big time numbers, both in terms of points and yards (both rushing and passing) in several games. That's not to say it was Dorsey's fault, but the notion that having him in the middle of the DL is so overwhelmingly disruptive doesn't really fly when you look at the Arkansas, Kentucky and Alabama games. And it's not like LSU was lacking in defensive talent around him.

A 6-2, 300 lb. DT with 1 sack in 12 games is just not a No. 1 pick IMO.

 

Chris Johnson is very impressive IMO. I actaully like Mike Hart out of Michigan---alot!!!

 

Glenn Dorsey had six sacks in 2007 not 1 which is a terrific number for an interior linesmen. In a completely uninjured season last year he had 12 sacks which is unheard of from the DT position.

 

if he is a Warren Sapp clone and he has no major medical concerns he could instantly solidify a leaky line. combine him with RodWright and Moses and we might start wreaking havoc instead of being pole-axed every week

 

What I like about Chris Johnson is he is also an incredible receiver out of the backfield, and once he gets the ball he knows how to run with it, unlike a lot of backs who take too long to hit the hole, or decide what to do. I would still take a top defensive player first (Long/Dorsey), than probably a top CB, or maybe the TE from USC if he is still on the board. We also could use another WR...after that I would load up on defensive players. Bring in a FA like Faneca on the O-line, and another quality DB.