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Happy Veteran's Day

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  1. Celtkin

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    It is on this day the United States and other nations celebrate the anniversary of ending of major hostilities of WWI on the 11th day of 11th month at the 11th hour.

    To all who have served, I salute you.

    To all who have made the ultimate sacrifice, you will never be forgotten.
     
  2. azfinfanmang

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    Nothing but absolute respect and honor for those that have served during times of Peace Or War. For those of you that have selflessly put everything on the line so that we may all enjoy a better quality of life, I thank you!
     
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    May God bless those who served.
     
  4. GISH

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    Thank you to everyone that has sacrificed for the better of this country. You are America, and we all love you!!
     
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  5. brandon27

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    To all who have served... Thank you. It is greatly appreciated and will never be forgotten....

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    In Flanders fields the poppies blow
    Between the crosses, row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
    Scarce heard amid the guns below.

    We are the Dead. Short days ago
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
    In Flanders fields.

    Take up our quarrel with the foe:
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.

    John McCrae


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  6. azfinfanmang

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    BRAVO :clap:
     
  7. WharfRat

    WharfRat Malignant Lunatic

    Veteran's Day.

    The Story of Veterans Day
    Please take a moment out of your day today and give thanks to the brave men and women who serve, and have served.
    It is because of their sacrifice that we are able to have a forum such as this, with these discussions.


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    IN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow
    Between the crosses row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
    Scarce heard amid the guns below.

    We are the Dead. Short days ago
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie
    In Flanders fields.

    Take up our quarrel with the foe:
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.


    ~Lt.Col. John McCrae MD, Canadian Army.
     
  8. mor911

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  9. PMZQ

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  10. PMZQ

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    To our American Vets, my thanks for your sacrifices !

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    And a poppy for our brothers & sisters who have served and sacrificed in the armed forces of the British Commonwealth of Nations (UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Tonga, The Bahamas, Jamaica, and a number of other states)

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  11. Fin Fan In Cali

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    To all the brave men and women who have served our proud country, and others around the world, that have given the ultimate sacrifice, and have been injured. To those past and present we give great thanks for your devotion, and love for your country. Thanks a lot to the Brothers and Sisters here who have served here from ThePhins.
     
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  12. PMZQ

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    Not quibble too much Mal, but "happy" is not what I feel on today. I understand where you are coming from, but this is not a day of happiness for me because I remember those in my family who gave the ultimate sacrifice (1 great-uncle in WW2, 1 great-uncle in Korea, and a 2nd cousin in the Lebanon, and another 2nd cousin in Iraq [I miss you Frankie !!!]).

    My most heartfelt thanks and love to those who are serving now, and have served to keep our democracy safe from threats domestic, and abroad.

    A special shout out to Marines, SEMPER FI, of whom all my relatives served for and gave that ultimate sacrifice
     
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  13. Big E

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    Thanks for the moment of silence guys, that was a nice touch. Happy Vets day to all who have served.
     
  14. dolphindebby

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    God Bless all of our men and women who have, and still are, serving our great country. THEY are the true heros in this world!

    A special salute to our Navy. My father, father-in-law, uncles and my son all served in our Navy.
    I love all our military, but the Navy has a big part of my heart.
    I know there's Navy men on here to, Marty is one, I believe, so :up: to all of you.

    Also a salute to the brave men of the USS Indianapolis--the survivors and the ones "still at sea"
     
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    Yes I watch the documentaries on the Indy and can only imagine the horror of all that...God Bless em!...t
     
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    Just saw this thread. Sorry I'm late but Happy Veteran's Day. Respect the hell out of you guys, thank you.
     
  18. IceDragon

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    "Veterans, Who Do They Think They Are?"

    They are the men and women who live every day in pain. Physical pain from their wounds, lost limbs, or maybe it's the shrapnel they still carry. Emotional pain from being separated from their families for long periods of time. For missing the birth of their child, or death of a parent. Mental pain for what they have seen and what they had to do. Pain from knowing that they would have died for you and you are not wise enough to know you should care.

    They are the ones who make life-long friends. They know how precious life is and they never forget the ones who didn't make it back. Never. That is why you will see Veteran's at the cemetery on Memorial Day walking around and silently thanking the ones who are buried there. They don't have to know them personally to know the sacrifice each one made.

    They are the ones who are loud and boisterous. They are the ones who are quiet.

    They are the ones who shivered in the foxhole, trying to keep the enemy at bay.

    They are the ones who crawled through sand when the temperature was 126 degrees.

    They are the ones who carried their buddy to safety.

    They are the ones who sometimes drink too much, trying to keep the memories from haunting them.

    They are the ones who carry the flag with the honor and respect it deserves.

    They are the ones who wear their military uniform with pride and still have it in their closet 30 some years later.

    They are the ones who don't ask you to go out of your way for them.

    They are the ones who have gone out of their way for you.

    They are the ones who spent many nights awake on guard duty so you didn't have to.

    They are the ones who helped keep our shores safe while you played video games.

    They are the ones who missed their birthdays, anniversaries, and other important dates.

    They are the ones who got shot and got sent home, but felt guilty because their buddies were still there.

    They are the ones who followed orders even when they didn't want to.

    They are the ones who had enough love and pride in their country to do a job many others couldn't do.

    They are the ones who stepped up when the call went out.

    They are the ones who ate MRE's till they were sick of them.

    They are the ones who cried "Medic" at the top of their lungs though they couldn't even hear their own voice.

    They are the ones who cried when they were alone in their tent.

    They are the ones who flew planes, drove tanks, worked a ship, and armed the missiles.

    They are the ones who had moms at homes praying for them every minute of every day.

    They are the ones who made it safe for you so you could go to school or work.

    They are the ones who missed ordering pizza, the movies, the shopping trips, and all that you take for granted.

    They are the ones who asked to take a friend's deployment because that friend had a family.

    They are the ones who gave their girlfriends a lock of their hair to keep as a promise of their return.

    They are the ones who wanted to come home

    They are the ones who didn't return.

    They are the ones who waited months for a letter.

    How can you not wait one day?


    God Bless Our Veterans,

    Laurel A. Olmsted
    Wife Of A Veteran
    Proud Mother of two Veterans



    This one hit home for me....missed bdays, holidays...etc...none of those days mean anything to me anymore and haven't for years..they are just another day in the year. I remember looking forward to them as a kid with eagerness, vaguely, but for 30 years now they are meaningless..I go thru the motions, without feeling, so that my daughter can enjoy them and make them good for her....t
     
  19. mor911

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  20. calphin

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    Thank each and everyone, who has ever served for this great country of ours.


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  21. PMZQ

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    I understand where you are coming from, but I don't like that some people denegrate those that protest and seem to act like they are being unpatriotic.

    Patriotism comes in many different forms, and standing to protest against a war in which nothing is to be gained, but much lost is VERY PATRIOTIC. I dare someone to call me unpatriotic.

    Soldiers and their supporters don't have monopoly on being patriotic and should stop wrapping themselves in the flag.

    Protesting against the government that at times tramples the rights of its citizens, including sending them to wars that the majority of people don't support is very the essence of patriotism, and sometimes fighting war for a government that is trying to run roughshod over its people, for the gain of business, at the expense of the rights of the people is not very patriotic (in my opinion).

    If you love your country enough to fight for it, you should understand those that love their country enough to fight their government when they see it doing things they don't approve of, or are counter to the best interests of the people.
     
  22. IceDragon

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    I don't degenerate you unless you protest the soldier or troops. it's not their fault.

    For me it is not the protesting the war(s) that is the problem and everyone can be patriotic. Some wars/conflicts I too disagreed with, BUT, my orders were orders I swore to follow and followed. Beirut for example, like I put in the other thread, in 1983...I was against a lot of what we did there...Peacekeeping is totally contradictory to what the Marines/miilitary is about. We aren't peacekeepers, we are military, so peacekeeping went against our very nature. Then giving us weapons, yet forbidding us to even load a round in a magazine or that weapon, even when fired upon by snipers and enemy for so long, not being able to return fire, and hoping we were not hit, was also against who we were. So I disagreed, BUT again those were our orders and we followed them even if it meant getting hit and dying or being wounded. So there are things we do/did I did not believe was right, BUT I took an oath and thus put what I believed was right or wrong aside and did my job/missions.

    I think the issue is that many times the protesting is taken out on the military, i.e. vietnam vets, when they came back they were spit on and trash thrown at them, my uncle being one of them....if you were one of those, then no you are not patriotic. The protests and anger if Americans don't believe in a war should be directed at those who ordered it, the President, the Congress, the government, not against the soldiers. The soldiers were just following the orders of those in charge, and many in their heart may have agreed with the protesttors, but they, like the good soldiers they were, followed their orders. Unless you join and serve, you have no conception of what a soldier goes thru, what they live thru, what they see, what they live with for the rest of their lives..scars on the inside that are ugly that the world never sees. I in no way at all am belittling 9/11, it was a horrible thing, but 10.23.83, was my 9/11. when we were digging the bodies of our brothers out, and the body parts and all the horror, I was but 23 at the time and visions from there were burned in my memory and inside. there are scars there for me and others from that day that will never heal, inside. And yet hardly any of America remembers, so it is up to the veterans to never forget.

    That flag flies over land of the free, in large part because of the soldier. So if you protest against the soldier you are not patriotic, because the war was not of their making, nor did they have anything to do with it other than to do what was ordered. If you protest the government which started the thing, we don't have a problem as long as it is a protest that is a civil one. Because the other side of the coin is we are sworn to protect against foreigh and DOMESTIC....so protest civilly against the ones in power, the government and I personally have no problem, that freedom was given you by the soldier, over the last 200+ years. It really makes soldiers feel like their sacrifice has been for naught when they come home and protestors are all over protesting, as it feels it is against them. This country still wanst to shove Vietnam under the rug and try and forget it, much as they have done with the Beirut bombing which was one of the very first terrorist attacks against the US..no one remembers these and Granada and so on. We went and we paid a price right or wrong. Don't protest the soldier nor disrepect them, because to do so is indeed unpatriotic. We talk so much about the flag because it is a symbol that has a special meaning to us because we sacrificed in a different way than other Americans for it. It was our standard, it unified us, it was what we died and bled for. So if you protest and burn the flag then you are protesting and burning us and that is not Patriotic. Exercise the right to protestcivilly and against the proper people. Better yet, get involved and try and change things, i.e. like the voting we just had. I believe the first line of that one poem says "You're welcome.." as the soldiers earned everyone that right over the last 200 years.

    Another thing, some wars/conflicts we the people may not understand the whys and wherefores, and may be necessary, even tho we don't understand why and disagree. We elected those in power to make those decisions, and we either trust them or vote them out.
    As for the Iraq war, my son has been once and getting ready to go again. If you protest him you are not patriotic.
    Should we be in Iraq...some say yes some say no...Me, I say if the first President Bush in the Gulf War had let Schwarzkoff go on in, when he had a clear road and get Sadaam then, then we would more than likely NOT be there now. IF Caspar in 83 had let the missions go against Hezbollah then that were planned, we might not have them rearing their ugly head now. who knows. I can't nor won't justify any war or conflict as my job was just to follow orders, not understand the whys and wherefores. But remember also, we were hit here in America on 9/11...and that is the first attack on our home soil in a long time. And I do believe that i.e. in Afghanistan, we are there trying to root out terrorism so it cannot strike our soil again. People need to realize that sometimes going to war in a foreign land is a necessity to prevent it from ever reaching here. Because when and if it reaches here, you can forget protesting...you will be fighting to stay alive and this land will be devastated, i.e. the twin towers. So some wars/conflicts overseas are a necessity. These countries that are gearing up with nuclear warheads etc, if they indeed are,need to be met diplomatically, in conflict or whatever it takes, because if they get the capability it will be like it was in the cold war days,they will be able to strike us here from there, so sometimes going abroad is also protecting America. Many of you don't remember any part of the cold war or very little. In the 60's it was a very real threat....I was in Germany walking a guard post in West Germany at the wall....I was there when the Wall came down. It was very very real. I have been in Korea at the DMZ and it is very very real. So for what it is worth, sometimes it is better to fight a battle abroad than wait till it gets to us here in America. And I am not saying all wars abroad are necessary for that, but some definitely are.

    I think that the support of the troops, the soldiers over the last few years is the best ever and I am grateful to the people of this nation for that. I think also a lot of the things you read, now, i.e. that poem above and other things, have been around for years, and came about after the treatment of soldiers in Vietnam mainly,BUT I think there are still a minority(I hope it is a minority) of people out there who still take it out on the soldier today. If you feel something is wrong then exercise your right to let whoever is in charge of it know, in the proper manner, but keep supporting the troops as they are only doing their job and following orders from those over them and doing a damn fine job of it....no one can condemn a soldier until they have themselves served and walked that walk.

    My youngest son does not speak to me now, because he was calling his brother in the Corps dumb for doing it and I told him I would not stand for that. His brother was the one helping protect his rights and just doing his job. I told him that he can disagree with the government all he wants but never ever speak ill of his brother or any other soldier again, thus we don't speak. I had reminded him also that his college is being partially paid for now by VA because of my service and disabilities,so he is condemning those that are making his life better...kinda selfish to me....t
     
  23. dolphindebby

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    Thank you. This was just wonderful.
    God bless you, your son and all who protect this country.
    You sir, are a true patriot.
     
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    ID reread my post, in no way do I denegrate or disrespect soldiers.

    I do resent people, many of them ex-GI's who called me unpatriotic, and a number of other names I cannot under TOS repeat in my post, when I stood at a rally at Tropical Park in 2004, and again in 2005 calling for an end to the Iraqi War. I, like many others there, said nothing against the soldiers, but were calling for President Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and Congressional Leaders to end the war and return our soldiers back home and out of harm's way.

    Yet the amount of abuse, both verbal and in a few cases phyiscal was horrendous (10 people were arrested), and showed that not all ex-GI's & many other people share your understanding of the Constitution and the rights given to those that wish to protest civilly. We were outnumbered 3 or 4 to 1, and it was at times frightening, but I stood my ground and said my peace. I had to endure death threats and threats to my body from people, many of which were wearing military or Veteran's clothing.

    Still I did not that day, nor will I ever chastise a working soldier for what he/she does. They undertook a job, and are following orders. However, many Veterans don't understand the very constitutional rights they claim to have protected during their fighting days. I commend you for being one of the few who does recognize this right to protest.
     
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    Might I also add, that many of those in the anti-war group, were former soldiers, or mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters or wives and husbands of soldiers presently in Iraq.

    I'd scarcely call someone I know, Jorge Quintero, who lost a leg in Iraq in 2003, but after returning a staunch anti-Iraq war stance, unpatriotic. He knows, better than most the horrors of war, and didn't think the war in Iraq was in the interests of our country after serving there for more than 8 months.

    He is one of the greatest patriots I know, yet many Vets and others I saw at the rally were calling him a traitor, a Taliban supporter, and again many other names I cannot repeat on this board.
     
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  26. WharfRat

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    Gents....

    Let's suffice to say that while the war may not be popular... the brave men and women who serve are to be honored.
    That's what the day was about... not any specific war.. or any specific leader... but the Veterens themselves. Protest wars and presidents and kings all you want... but for those who serve to protect your right to protest...Honor them, love them, admire them, thank them.
     
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    I think this is so important. I too have feelings about recent wars, but rarely express them in words, let alone in type, as it comes off wrong somehow, regardless of how sincere the intent. I don't have a family member in any war since WWII, and I so respect the service of those since. Both of my grandfathers were in WWII, one in Europe and one in the Philippines. I still have a pin carved out of tin that is a palm tree that my grandfather made in the southeast. He told me sometimes he got bored and made trinkets. My grandfather in Europe during WWII never talked about it after. My dad and I think he was one of the liberators of a camp, but my grandfather would never discuss it. (He gave me a Star of David charm one year and we are not Jewish. He told me to respect all people. I was a child then and didn't question it until I was in my teens.) My brothers got all of my grandfathers' medals (how sexist is THAT ;) ) My grandmother was a nurse, and she went to work for the injured, not overseas, but at home when they returned. I was brought up with this respect, and so I will always honor it. (And, I got my grandmother's nursing pin and military equivalent of a pin--she was not military, but she worked for them in treating the wounded domestically.)
    That said, I hear and respect others' views on things, but sometimes, views and speaking on issues are inherently influenced. That's all :hi5:
     
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    Hey P, I was in no way saying that you did....I respect your opinion and belief and I agree with most of your points...I kind of went off on a tangent there trying to explain why there are misconceptions and the things that I think are unpatriotic, and that was in no way aimed at you...So please take no offense nor think I was speaking against you, as you are not one of the group that I was talking about..t

     
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    For what it's worth I totally agree with you. As a civilian he has more than earned that right to protest or believe as he wants. As I said earlier, some of the military, that are in the military in fact to not agree with some wars/conflicts either, but it is their sworn duty to follow orders. To call a soldier/vet those names because he has his own opinion and it does not fly with the mainstream is just wrong...t
     
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    There is no profession for which I have more respect, or that has given more for this nation. As a nation we owe you guys a debt thats impossible to repay but you do have our thanks.
     
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    I would also like to add the Police, the Firemen, Federal Marshalls and those Civil servants who put their lives on the line every day here too.


    I agree with what Wharf said too..

    I did not vote for Barack, I hate democrats, haha...and about to unregister as republican with all the jerk repubs back stabbing the VP candidate THEY picked, Sarah Palin, but what Barack says is sort of what Wharf was also saying in part..it's time to put all differences aside and come together as 1 nation. no partisans, no race, no anything....because Rome lasted thousands of years, and we have only been around over 200 years...we got a long way to go to reach a thousand and I am fearful we may not make it and the only way is everyone unite with political and other differences aside.
     

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