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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finole, Jan 4, 2008.

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  1. Finole

    Finole Season Ticket Holder

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    On NFL Total Access last night, Marshall Faulk weighed in on the firing of Cam Cameron. What he said really sums it up for me. This is a loose transcription:

    "When Cameron took over as head coach, he brought in his guys. He got rid of Culpepper and brought in Trent Green. Now Parcells is doing the same thing. It's the nature of this business. Or any business really."

    Rich Eisen used the words "Parcells' cronies" more than once. But you gotta admit, Faulk makes a lot of sense.
     
  2. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    Everybody wants to bring in their own guys. Fact of life. Though I wish there could be some flexibility. Mix it up a little.
     
  3. Passrusher

    Passrusher New Member

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    Every freakin coach brings in people they're familiar with. They don't hire unknowns. It's not like it's something new for crying out loud!!
     
  4. Dolphan7

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    This is what makes the business world go round. Even Presidents of the USA bring in their own known players. Everyone needs to get a grip.
     
  5. Finole

    Finole Season Ticket Holder

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    I don't want to rehash the whole Culpepper argument. But you could even make a case for Cam getting rid of Culpepper as being worse than Parcells getting rid of Cam. Culpepper was, at one point in time, a very successful QB in the NFL. Cameron has yet to reach that level of success as a head coach. Even in college.

    That is just looking at the two scenarios purely from an experience standpoint.

    And Parcells never made any promises to Cameron or Mueller. Whereas Culpepper was clearly under the impression he would be competing for the starting job.

    Quick and clean. Even Hudson Houck said he appreciated the way Parcells did the firings.
     
  6. WaywardZest

    WaywardZest New Member

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    Other than Culpepper's game against us, he wasn't good. But neither was Green. We could have just as easily kept him and not traded away another pick.
     
  7. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    :up: that 1st pick of the 5th in KC's hands will be painful to watch occur.
     
  8. NJFINSFAN1

    NJFINSFAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I think Faulk is wrong, Cam was handed his head coaches, he wasn't able to pick his own. He brought in Green, Chapman and Cam #83, that's about it.

    Culpepper is done, he has nothing to do with Cam and would have been a big mistake on this team.
     
  9. #1DoLfAnOKesh

    #1DoLfAnOKesh New Member

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    yea faulk is good on NFL Network...i think woodson is average though
     
  10. Danny

    Danny New Member

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    I can't wait for free agency so we can talk about players and stop talking about why Cam was let go...get over it people.....Bill's bringing his people to run the show and there's nothing wrong with it.

    Ozzy rules!!
     
  11. Phinfan31

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    This really didnt need its own thread....

    If anyone pays attention to football this should be common sense.
     
  12. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    When your running an organization, hell or even a Project Management team you want to surround yourself with people you have trust in. If you were a project manager and you were put in charge of a billion dollar job and you were saddled with other people who you know nothing about their objectives, if they will stab you in the back to advance themselves etc etc.. You would not like that idea.

    So When Bill is in charge, he wants people he knows will do the job while he is not looking over their shoulder.
     
  13. Finole

    Finole Season Ticket Holder

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    Actually, we had a new QB coach (Terry Shea), RB coach (Bobby Jackson), WR coach (Terry Robiskie), Offensive Quality Control coach (Marvin Marshall), Safeties coach (Brett Maxie), Secondary Coaches Assistant (Mike Dumas), Defensive Tackles coach (Diron Reynolds), Defensive Quality Control coach (Chad Walker), Assistant Special Teams coach (Steve Hoffman), Strength and Conditioning coach (Matt Schiotz), and Assistant Strength and Conditioning coach (Brad Ohrt).

    Cameron hired most, if not all, of those guys. And he kept Mike Mularkey (as our new TE coach) which he didn't have to do.

    Plus he would have chosen Houck anyway. So Cam brought in his guys as far as coaches go.

    Also, he had an opportunity to hire an OC but he chose not to.

    David Martin is one of Cameron's guys. So is Chris Liwienski and Aaron Halterman (both played at Indiana).

    Gibran Hamdan, Cory Schlesinger, and Az-Zahir Hakim were all Cameron guys that didn't stick.

    Joey Porter is also one of Cameron's guys. He and Mueller flew out together to talk to Porter.

    Cameron cut Fred Evans even when the players said Evans should be given a second chance.

    I'm not trying to bash Cameron. I would have been fine with him as HC for another year. But let's not get carried away. Cameron is a scapegoat. But he made his fair share of mistakes, too.

    True. But that's not the point.

    The new boss brings in his guys. Plain and simple. Cameron did it. And now Parcells is doing it.
     
  14. Finole

    Finole Season Ticket Holder

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    Woodson is a tool. Loved him as a player. Hate him as an analyst. He never has anything good to say about the Fins, either.
     
  15. #1DoLfAnOKesh

    #1DoLfAnOKesh New Member

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    very true
     
  16. PMZQ

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    I agree Danny. Cam is gone, he is history. On with the future. :ffic:
     
  17. PMZQ

    PMZQ Banned

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    Maybe that's because they STINK ! Geeesh, c'mon folks, start dealing with reality, our beloved Dolphins just plain, flat out STINK !
     
  18. Bonedoc7777

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    its more like the parcells mafia
     
  19. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    Just had to fix that sentence.

    This would have been Evans' 3rd or 4th chance depending on how you look at it...

    Chance 1: Picked up by the Dolphins
    Chance 2: Pulled over for speeding and charged with possession.
    Chance 2(continued) or Chance 3: Not notifying the NFL of his run-in with the law.
    Chance 3 or Chance 4: His run-in with the police that got him booted.

    Not a fan of everything Cam did, but this one, IMO, was a good call. I think, maybe, Parcells would've done the same...

    :ffic:
     
  20. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    You forgot he brought in Terry Shea and Terry Robiskie.

    EDIT: Nevermind i see someone beat me to it.
     
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  21. Coral Reefer

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    I don't think Faulk is right at all.

    Firstly, if anyone paid attention to this year, Culpepper laid an egg in Oakland just as he did here. He was beat out by Luke McClown. Culpepper is done and that's the reason Mueller and Cam kicked him to the curb and rightly so.

    Secondly, as to Cameron's removal, IMO it's much more than simply Bill P. bringing in his own guys. I believe after reviewing some game tapes of this season and the game he viewed in person along with comments from the core of players on this team led Bill Parcels to the conclusion that Cameron isn't anyone's type of Head Coach.

    I know you want to use this as a lead in to Cameron being unfairly fired and that he deserved another year because the only reason he was let go was because he wasn't a Bill Parcels guy but I don't buy it. It goes much deeper than that and in both the examples above the people in question had as much if not much more to do with their removal than them not "fitting someone's system" did.
     
  22. finfansince72

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    I think Faulk's viewpoint is the one that is simple and true at its core. When you get hired and hire a GM, you stake your job on a coach and a team. It only makes sense to hire a guy you want. Cameron doesn't have a track record of success and really there was nothing whatsoever to take away as a positive this year. We were historically bad, one of the worst teams in modern history its not a shock that a coach gets fired after a year like this, especially with changes at the top.
     
  23. Finole

    Finole Season Ticket Holder

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    Whether they were right or wrong about Culpepper doesn't factor in. They made a decision to go with Trent Green instead. If Parcells has "cronies" then you gotta admit that Trent Green could be called one of Cameron's "cronies."

    I agree. If you read between the lines, Parcells and Ireland are just being polite.

    I'm not buying this whole "Cam Cameron didn't share our philosophy" thing. Parcells and Ireland want high character guys. Well, Cameron (and Mueller) feel exactly the same way. Cameron kicked Fred Evans off the team within days of his altercation with the police and failure to mention his arrest for possession. And they didn't draft a single player with questionable character even though there were plenty of talented "thugs and dope-smokers" on the board.

    Parcells and Ireland believe in developing talent. Cameron obviously agrees. Why else would he keep Beck and Lorenzo Booker on the sidelines for most of the season? A different philosophy would have Beck and Booker playing on Day 1. That's what the Colts did with Peyton Manning.

    So basically, what Parcells and Ireland are saying is that they like big tough physical players. And Cameron doesn't? Cam's offense is predicated on a big bruising RB. As well as road-graders on the offensive line. Defensively, Cameron always said he thought the world of Zach Thomas. Well, they don't come any tougher. Would Cameron like ZT any less if he was 6-3 and 250 lbs? Of course not. Cameron and Mueller brought in Joey Porter, who is a tough, in-your-face LB who is bascially the same size as Dallas's LBs Bradie James and Akin Ayodele.

    Samson Satele? Reagan Mauia? Samoans are not known for being petite.

    No, this "philosophy" line is a load of crap. Parcells and Ireland obviously didn't think Cameron could get the job done. But because they didn't come right out and say it, the press is running with the BS version.

    There's an article in the Sun-Sentinel today saying that Parcells and Ireland are looking for a head coach they have familiarity with. What the hell kind of criteria is that?! I'm familiar with my Aunt Edna, doesn't mean she'd be a good coach.

    You misunderstand.

    I don't think Cameron was unfairly fired at all. There were plenty of valid reasons to let him go.

    1. Friction with veterans like JT and Traylor.
    2. Poor clock management.
    3. Poor personnel decisions.
    4. Failure to kick the field goal and consistently going for it on 4th down instead.
    5. Corny motivational tactics.

    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2007/10/old-rope-trick.html

    There's also the possiblitiy that Cameron was too offensive-minded and unable to focus on all three phases of the team. Clearly our defense and special teams units were not as good as our offense this year.

    But you have to admit Cameron is a bit of a scapegoat after reading this quote from Hudson Houck in the Palm Beach Post:

    Parcells and Ireland clearly didn't care what Hudson Houck thought. For whatever reason, they weren't sold on Cam Cameron.

    Personally, I would have been okay with it either way...

    1. If Cameron stayed, we'd have some much-needed continuity. And our offense would surely be one of the best in the league.

    2. With Cameron gone, we don't have to wonder if he'll learn from all the mistakes he made as a rookie head coach.
     
  24. Finole

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    Wow. Forget Marshall Faulk. finfansince72 said it best.
     
  25. pennphinfan

    pennphinfan Stelin Canez Arcade Scorz

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    just think, it could have been the first pick in the 4th! :ohmy:
     

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