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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Carabinieri44, Jan 4, 2008.

Who do you pick with the #1 pick in the draft??

  1. Jake Long (LT, Michigan)

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  2. Chris Long (DE, UVA)

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    44.6%
  3. Glen Dorsey (DT, LSU)

    24 vote(s)
    28.9%
  4. Vernon Gholston (DE/LB, OSU)

    11 vote(s)
    13.3%
  1. Carabinieri44

    Carabinieri44 New Member

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    i see lots of threads about whos better than who, so i figured its time to start an official poll of who YOU would pick. we keep the #1 pick in the draft....who do YOU pick between these guys?

    and i kept out any QB, RB, because its just obvious we wont pick one.

    Chris Long
    Jake Long
    Glen Dorsey
    Vernon Gholston

    those are the only guys worthy of a #1 pick besides any QB or RB. so ur the coach (or GM), who do u pick?
     
  2. Finfang

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    If I'm the coach on Bill Parcell's team I would be merely a puppet so I wouldn't have any say in who the hell was drafted.

    If I was the GM I would take Vernon Gholston because of his versatility. The guy is an absolute monster. He can put his hand down and rush the passer and he can stand up and play outside LB in coverage. He is just what the doctor ordered for a defense that needs a playmaker!
     
  3. Nublar7

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    Yeah, Sparano(likely coach) won't have much say on who they draft. This decision will be up to Ireland with Parcells in the background. They like big guys and I think the choice will be either Jake Long or Chris Long. Honestly, I don't think you could go wrong with either at the top of the draft.
     
  4. like2god

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    Agreed 1000%
     
  5. sweeper

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    id say dorsey or gholston
     
  6. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    But I dont know Parcells...how did that happen?
     
  7. Roman529

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    You can't go wrong with Little Howie. :ffic:
     
  8. Nublar7

    Nublar7 Senior Member

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    It is obvious you are taking a shot at Parcells wanting to surround himself with people he is is comfortable with. An ignorant response imo. What is wrong with going to work with people that are qualified and that you are comfortable with? Would you rather go to work with people you hate and don't really know well?
     
  9. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Not taking a shot at him, but responding that he has stated he only hires who he knows....therefore I cant be hired as HC of the Dolphins.:wave:
     
  10. Jimmy James

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    If I'm the person calling the shot, I take Dorsey. He seems like the consensus best player. See how that worked out for the Texans when they took Williams over Bush even though Bush was the sexy pick? You take the best. If McFadden emerges as the next Tomlinson, you take him even though you have Ronnie.
     
  11. Trackstar

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    Ya because It's worked out so well for us the past few years. :001_rolleyes::lol:
     
  12. Phinperor

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    Chris Long all the way...
     
  13. #1dolphinsfan

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    i would take chris we need some one else on the other side of JT
     
  14. houtz

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    No way in hell I pass on Chris Long. I'm sure he'll stand out even more in the Senior Bowl but anyone who watched the Gator Ball saw him sniff out the play immediately. I mean he was double teamed and still found a way to get to the quarterback.
     
  15. Finole

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    None of the above.

    James Laurinaitis is the pick. Even if we can't trade down. Every great defense is built around it's middle linebacker. (Or one of it's middle linebackers if it's a 3-4 defense.) We need a guy we can build our defense around. Laurinaitis is that guy.

    Then in the 2nd round we take Red Bryant, the defensive tackle from Texas A&M. Think about it. He is 6-5 and 328 lbs. He would be a monster at the NT position. That's what we really need. Vonnie Holliday and Rod Wright are more than capable of playing DE in a 3-4 defense.

    Laurinaitis and Bryant would improve our run-defense dramatically. Then in the later rounds you've still got guys like Spencer Larsen, J Leman, and Jonal Saint-Dic on the board. Not to mention Bruce Davis, but I don't know if he's big enough to play for Parcells and Ireland.

    Imagine a 3-4 defense with Laurinaitis, Larsen, and Bryant in the middle of it. That would be formidable.

    If you trade JT for a 2nd round pick, then you draft an OLB or DE to take his place at the OLB position. Parcells and Ireland like 'em big so Ezra Butler from Nevada would fit the bill. He's got the speed to play OLB in the NFL, too.

    If you don't trade JT, then he mans the OLB position with Joey Porter on the other side. You eventually draft replacements for them, but your core would be set. Crowder would be an excellent backup. Or maybe you rotate him in to give JT and Porter an occasional breather.

    ZT would be an amazing mentor for Laurinaitis and Larsen. How awesome would that be?


    Then later in the 2nd or at the top of the 3rd you draft an OT like Tony Hills, Roy Schuening, Drew Radovich, or John Greco.
     
  16. Danny

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    I'd take Chris Long as he'd be a nice fit at DE in the real 3-4 defence....Dorsey's not a NT and he's not a DE...his best position is DT in a 4-3 so I'd not take him...Jake Long is not worth the #1 pick imo and neither is Gholston.

    Ozzy rules!!
     
  17. Finole

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    If we run a 4-3 defense then I'd take Chris Long in a heartbeat. But as great as he is, I don't know if he's fast enough to play OLB in a 3-4. And he's not big enough to play DE in a 3-4.

    Chris Long is 6-4 and 280 lbs. Now look at the DEs in Dallas' 3-4 defense: Marcus Spears is 6-4 and 300 lbs. And Chris Canty is 6-7 and 300 lbs.

    I know Long plays in a 3-4 at Virginia, but he might be a better fit for a 4-3 defense in the NFL. Of course, I could be wrong. KB21, CK, and Boomer would know for sure.

    Now if Parcells and Ireland think Long can bulk up without losing too much speed. Or if Long blows the doors off his 40-time at the combine, then I could definitely see us drafting him.
     
  18. CWBIII

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    Chris Long. Might not have the upside of Gholston, but is about as can't miss a prospect as u find. Al Groh seems to think moving him outside in a 3-4 at the next level is the best spot for him. Compares him to Mike Vrabel.
     
  19. pocoloco

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    wow Finole, really bold pick there. I don't see Laurinaitis as much better, if at all, than AJ Hawk, and most people would say I'm being generous. I like the guts you're showing here, but as a plan B, what do you think about Dan Connor?
     
  20. calfinfan

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    Jake Long. That would give book end tackles when you move Carey to RT. Add a new LG and we're in bursiness.
     
  21. dolfan32323

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    I'm right behind you Finfang:ffic:
     
  22. Finole

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    Yeah, I heard the announcers say that during the bowl game. Like I said, I could be wrong.

    Chris Long has not run at the Combine yet. Obviously. But the 40-time I've seen for him is 4.79

    The preferred 40-time for an OLB is 4.55 - 4.75

    That's all I'm basing my comments on. So if Long runs a 4.6 at the Combine then he would obviously generate more interest from teams looking for an OLB in a 3-4 defense.

    The preferred time for a DE is 4.70 - 4.90. Long's 4.79 is well within that range which is why I say he might be more suited for a 4-3 defense in the NFL.

    But Dallas's OLB Greg Ellis is 6-6 and 270 lbs. So Long has the size Parcells and Ireland are looking for.
     
  23. #1DoLfAnOKesh

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    would be nice to have a dominant LT...we rly need it to rebuild our line
     
  24. Finole

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    Dan Connor is great. I've seen him play in several games now. He makes a ton of tackles and is always around the ball.

    But the thing I don't like about about Connor is how often those tackles are made as the ball carrier is falling forward, taking Connor for a ride. He rarely knocks anybody on their arse. I know Boomer disagrees with me, but I wouldn't be surprised if Connor slips to the 2nd round.

    Connor's teammate, OLB Sean Lee, often makes more plays than Connor in any given game. Lee is a junior. And I don't think he's expected to declare.

    Laurinaitis has more of a mean streak. Also, he's bigger and faster than Connor. Still waiting for him to declare, but when he does, Laurinaitis will be the top-rated LB coming out. Definitely a Top Ten pick.

    If Dorsey is the best at his position. Chris Long is the best at his position. Jake Long is the best at his position. Matt Ryan is the best at his position. And Keith Rivers is the best at his position.

    Why not take the best ILB coming out?

    Dorsey is shorter than you'd like a DE to be in a 3-4 defense. And too athletic to be a NT. Although I'm positive he can flat out play in any defense, Dorsey does seem like a better fit for a 4-3.

    As I said earlier, Chris Long may also be a better fit in a 4-3 defense.

    But the thing about Dorsey and Long is that they're both so good they would almost definitely excel in any scheme. Still, you'd like to put them in the best position to succeed.

    Matt Ryan is a possibility, but I'd rather take a player who will have an immediate impact with the #1 overall pick. Taking a QB that high could mean a holdout. And you'd have to pay them for barely playing their first year. Unless you threw them to the wolves. Not to mention John Beck has shown potential (when he's not turning the ball over).
     
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  25. Regan21286

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    Never say never. Parcells looks like the kind of guy who wants everything his way including his QB. If he feels Beck isn't his guy, he's not going to be gun-shy about drafting another QB. That said, of those 4 choices, I'd go with Chris Long even if we already have a guy like Matt Roth. But I would wait for Jake Long's Combine results (especially regarding his agility and strength) and if they turn out well, we could get him. Either way, you can't go wrong with Long. :lol: DT's picked so high rarely if ever meet their values (Last #1 was Dan Wilkinson, remember him? And the same praise I hear for Dorsey, I've heard about Wilkinson, see how that went?).

    I like that idea. As for Bruce Davis, he may not be big enough to play DE for Parcells in the 3-4 but he certainly can play OLB (which he has at times and performed well, as I recall). And he's just the player Parcells would want on D. Fiery, smart, versatile, and capable player who makes the big plays and backs up his talk.
     
  26. Finole

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    Jake Long would be great, too. FWIW, CKParrothead thinks Jeff Otah from Pittsburgh is a better prospect. Otah is definitely bigger than Long, so Parcells and Ireland might agree with CK.

    The knock against Jake Long is his pass pro. Michigan's offense is designed for Henne to take a 3-step drop and get rid of the ball quickly. How will Long do if he has to pass-block for a longer period of time?

    Personally, I find it difficult to evaluate offensive lineman. I usually only notice them if they screw up. It's much easier to tell if a LB, RB, or WR is any good.

    I also wonder if Sam Baker would have been ranked higher than Long if he wasn't injured this season. Ryan Clady, the junior OT from Boise St has declared. He's a potential Top 15 pick. And Gosder Cherilus is another top OT prospect.

    But like I said, I wouldn't know which of them is the best. All I could do is tell you which ones made the most mistakes. But I generally leave the OL evaluations to the professionals.
     
  27. GISH

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    trust me, dorsey can do more for us than a pass rushing OLB can.
     
  28. GISH

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    isn't their a sympathy clause in the NFL that allows any team that loses its first 14 games to get the top 5 picks in the next draft. I say we take Dorsey, Long, Long, Gholston, and McFadden.
     
  29. PMZQ

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    Si Si Señor ! That guy was like a possesed animal in the Gator Bowl.
     
  30. TotoreMexico

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    I want either Chris Long or Gholston (especially if JT gets traded)
     
  31. samiam

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    1- Vernon gholston
    2- Talib/Flowers/Cason
    2- Fred evans
    3- Janathon Geoff
    4- Kendal langford :up:

    Kendal Langford, DL, Hampton
    Langford has an impressive combination of size and athleticism. He has the size to play inside at tackle, or on the end in the 3-4. He can hold his ground at the point of attack, but also shows the quickness and burst off the line to get into the backfield. His career numbers of 56 tackles for loss and 24.5 sacks speak to his playmaking ability. Langford is the ideal 3-4 end but also brings value to a 4-3 defense. A quality post season could make him a first day selection.
     
  32. Finole

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    I agree. I wouldn't be surprised if Parcells and Ireland drafted Matt Ryan. But I guarantee you they would only do it if they were able to trade down or trade John Beck or trade something...

    In the last four years, the Cowboys have rarely just picked when they were supposed to. They usually swing a trade. In last year's draft, 7 of their 8 picks were shuffled due to a trade. In 2006, 6 of their 8 picks were shuffled due to a draft. And they made a few trades in 2004 and 2005 too.

    I wouldn't waste too much time making mock drafts this year, because we may not pick in any of the spots we currently occupy.

    As far as Dorsey goes, he seems like the real deal. The injuries are a concern to me, even though several people have said the injuries aren't a concern. I'm waiting to see how he plays in his bowl game. Supposedly he's been healing all this time and should be rarin' to go.

    I like Bruce Davis a lot. But he only weighs 235 lbs. If that figure is accurate he might still need to put on some weight to play OLB for Parcells. Not one of Dallas's LBs is less than 250 lbs. But at 6-3 Davis is tall enough. Of course, I really have no idea if they like Davis or not.

    The other guy I really like is Jonal Saint-Dic, the DE/OLB from Michigan St. At 6-1 and 255 lbs. he is definitely big enough. The kid is just a playmaker.
     
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    I wanted to see him play Finole, but he was suspended for the Bowl Game.

    I did like that Te that the put at De for a few plays, James Davis?

    He looked pretty good as a De and caught a 2 pt conversion pass.
     
  35. DBoston80

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    Trade down and get Phillips or malcolm Jenkins.
     
  36. Regan21286

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    Yea, I only made one mock and I've yet to post it anywhere. But I don't know if we could get a fair deal to trade down from that #1 overall pick. It'd seem pretty monumental.

    Parcells 05 pick Kevin Burnett is around 240 if I recall correctly. But anyways, I think Davis could easily get to 250 in time. Certainly has the motivation to do so. One thing I like to note is how similar this guy is to Jason Taylor (go figure, he considers JT as one of his idols). It'd be a shame if we overlook him much like it was a shame that teams overlooked JT.
     
  37. Finole

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    1- Love Gholston. Can't wait to see him play again in his bowl game. Don't forget to check out his teammate James Laurinaitis. He's the guy that will have more than twice as many tackles as Gholston at the end of the night. And twice as many TFL.

    2- Talib or Flowers would be great. I'm not so crazy about Cason.

    2- Didn't Cam Cameron kick Fred Evans off the team already?

    3- Pass on Jonathan Goff. I watched him play twice this past season. Not impressed.

    4- Kendall Langford is an interesting prospect. Nice find.

    We might also take a WR in the 4th round. Darius Reynaud (WVU) or Jason Rivers (Hawaii) could be the pick there.

    Also, there's a chance Dwight Lowery (CB San Jose St) could slip to the top of the 4th round. He would be a steal.
     
  38. CWBIII

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    I usually trust the times at NFLDraftscout.com, and like you say they have him at 4.79.
    These are the forty times of NCAA defensive ends that can/project to be DE/OLB in the NFL(If I remember correctly).

    Quentin Groves (6'3" 250 4.46), Derrick Harvey (6'5" 256 4.75), Chris Ellis (6'5" 256 4.74), Cliff Avril (6'3" 250 4.78), Darrell Robertson (6'5" 245 4.78), Titus Brown (6'3" 248 4.74)

    His projected 40 time, at 6'4" 275 is not far off that group. Even if he stays in the mid to high 4.7 area you have to take into account his 10yd, 20yd, 3 cone, broad and vert. Obviously, his tape as well. Just from watching him play, I think he'll do well in most drills, and easily run in the low 4.7 area. Of course, that's just my opinion and means nothing. Like you said, he may be a better fit with his hand down in a 4-3, but I think/hope he has the ability to excel either way. If Parcells/Ireland intend to play the 3-4 and don't think he can make the switch, I see no way we draft him 1. Not trying to argue with you, nor for that matter, do I disagree with you. Just throwin' some stuff out there.
     
  39. Finole

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    Yeah, Saint-Dic failed his math class and was declared academically ineligible. Could be a red flag as far as character goes. But I'm just hoping it causes him to slip to the top of the 6th if we don't take him in the 4th. He's currently a solid 5th round pick.

    And you mean TE Kellen Davis. I was impressed with him too. Love his versatility. He would be a great 7th round pick. (Assuming LBs Spencer Larsen and Gary Guyton are off the board.)

    James Davis is the RB for Clemson. He's good, too. A junior. Hasn't declared yet.
     
  40. padre31

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    He was a De for the first series Finole, and the other team dropped back to pass and I may get laughed at, but he looked like JT heading up field.

    Now granted, it was just a speed rush and he was pushed to the outside, but he was Te after all.

    And JT has been used as a Te more then a few times over the years, Davis is a Te that is used as De at times.

    If we weren't so deficient all over the place to the point that even 7th round picks will be needed, I would love to have him in Miami and see what he can do.
     

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