It's certainly disconcerning, but at the end of the day, you've got to realize that besides Vernon Carey and arguably Rex Hadnot, that offense is ENTIRELY rookies or journeymen. We finished this game with our 4th string runningback today. The line couldnt pass protect, no one could run the ball, and we dont have one receiver or skill position player who is starting quality at this point.
A Glenn Dorsey? Ohh those sorts of players come around all the time, injured all season but played well as a junior, they are known as "Projects" not "First selection overall in the NFL Draft..."
Glenn Dorsey is a project? Wow, you have an odd definition of the term project. That or you're simply out to make Dorsey look as bad as possible.
All we needed, though, was some hope. Some glimmer that this offense can score. Now everytime he drops back to pass we'll all know it's a dump off becasue the leash has been pulled in by somebody. Sad as it may sound, we better hope it is Cam doing it because if it's Beck himself, then we're in BIG trouble. QB's are never supposed to doubt their abilities.
I never look at stats. I look for signs, some moments of a good throw here, good decision there. Some ability if even for one play where you say to yourself there is something special trapped in this guy's body and given time he could develop nicely. Here's my projection from what Ive seen of the guy. Very heady QB. In a year or two will be a very intelligent QB who can identify blitzes instantly and make the right throw to the correct receiver 9 out of 10 times. Nice accuracy on anything 10 yds and in. Decent accuracy on intermediate throws. Still waiting on the deep throws but has the arm strength to launch them. Decent mobility, can scramble when necessary. Negatives. Looks tiny back there. Not only short but skinny. Will always have a problem with batted balls. Not sure if he can take a pounding due to his body size. The intermediate accuracy is going to determine whether he's a starter or a backup. 50/50 at this point. Although he can launch them, it looks like he doesnt have the best deep accuracy. Too early to tell in that he needs to get used to his recweivers and he hasnt had enough time yet. Doesnt look like he throws the sideline patterns with enough zip. Looks scared to challenge DBs. Whether that his personality overall or just Cameron trying to keep him reigned in right now dont know. Only time will tell and probably not this year. Right now stuck on dumping the ball off if his first option is taken away but I think that wuill change with more game time so I'll discount it Bottom line He's a big question mark to me. The sideline pass to me is everything for an NFL QB. When I see him throw a 15 yd out with zip to a receiver that has a DB on him and complete it I'll be convinced that this is the guy. If not I think we have a dink and dunk QB, another in a long line of game manager types that never are the answer but merely a temporary solution
Not at all, there is literally scores of players who played well as Juniors, then were injured as seniors or their productivity fell off as seniors. Quentin Moses comes to mind in that regard. And before that is twisted, Moses as in "Projected first rounder as a junior, drafted in the fourth round as a senior" not "Cut by 2 teams". Dorsey comes with questions, his productivity fell off, and he was injured as a Senior, those folks are generally called "projects" around draft time.
Att/comp. 19/37 yds 188 td 0 int 2 Att/comp 20/37 yds 174 td 0 int 3 Att/comp 26/39 yds 279 td 1 int 5 Att/comp 14/29 yds 144 td 0 int 2 Att/comp 30/50 yds 317 td 0 int 4 Hmmmm doest anyone know what future HOF QB put up these numbers. Oh wait how can he be a future HOF QB with 5 games this bad to his resume, because we all know that just 1 bad game makes you a bust.
Beck is not a dink and dunk QB. If you need a reference go look at his highlights on youtube. The guy can flat out zip the ball anywhere on the field. As he becomes more comfortable with his recievers and offense then I would expect him to take more chances. The fact is he will Miamis QB next year whether we like it or not. If he doesnt show signs next year then it will be time for a new QB. I just think all this "sky is falling" talk is ridiculous. If Miami already had a win with Beck this year then most would mark this off as a bad game and not mention it again. Problem is at 0-12 everyone wants to blame someone. Im confident Miami will get a win this year, but in the end does it really matter? Most important part is getting the #1 draft pick now.
Hope doesnt win you games, nor does it really do anything other than make fans feel good. These guys are professionals, and if all they really need is hope, we've got bigger problems at hand.
He is comparing rookie years Edwards has shown nothing. Umm is it AJ Feeley? All young QBs take time to develop, there is no such thing as a ready to go QB(other than Marino of course).
Those of us who are pointing out that Beck hasnt shown anything special yet arent crying the sky is falling. We are merely saying we should draft Ryan or at least consider it. AZ Stryker and myself just havent drunk the beck koolaid yet. We want to see something from the guy before we feel comfortable going another season with him as our only option. I realize that 95% of Finheaven has convinced itself that Beck is the answer to ten years of frustration but a better fairy tale for now would be "The Emperor Has No Clothes" Maybe next week Beck finally loosens up and starts to show some confidence in his arm. As for youtube. Watching him play against Mountain West defenses isnt the best way to scout future NFL QBs but if you can find me some that show 15 yd out darts I would appreciate it
But why? Why should we even consider drafting a quarterback after already taken one so high? And why, why, why should we consider drafting a quarterback after only one half of the season? Rarely any quarterback comes out and have a great year. What if we did draft Ryan or some other first round QB and he struggled like Beck after only half a season? Are you going to post on Fin Heaven next year and say we should draft QB John Doe from Anywhere State University?
Drew Brees sucked for his first 4 years and was supposed to be instantly replaced by Phillip Rivers before he started playing well. Folks act like Brees was an instant success, not even close.
As for youtube. Watching him play against Mountain West defenses isnt the best way to scout future NFL QBs but if you can find me some that show 15 yd out darts I would appreciate it[/QUOTE] That was actually what he did very often and very well during his college days. He really can throw a 15 yard out route on a rope. He struggled today, and I really hope he can turn it around. I feel bad that he might get "used up" being thrown into the horrible situation he has - when I really do believe he has the potential...
That was actually what he did very often and very well during his college days. He really can throw a 15 yard out route on a rope. He struggled today, and I really hope he can turn it around. I feel bad that he might get "used up" being thrown into the horrible situation he has - when I really do believe he has the potential...[/QUOTE] Well if he can then eventually he will so hopefully he survives until that time. He needs to start opening up his game a little and get out of the dink and dunk stuff but to do that he's going to have to do a better job of identifying blitzes and making the hot read. Once he does that the defenses will back off and then he needs to open it up. Hopefully I finally see what all of you have been saying he can do
So now we should tell the other teams defense that this guy is next to our QB in the shotgun to do nothing but block and is no threat to go out for a pass? I'm certain Booker was in on passing downs only and was forced into blocking because of the package that was on the field. If nobody came to his side he was probably in a passing route.
If we draft Ryan it wont be off half a season. It will be off a full year of practice, training camp and regular season games. Cameron and Mueller will have a pretty good idea of the kids upside, even if we dont
take a look at the following 3 gane set of stats: 5 for 10 46 yds 0 td 0 int 13 for 23 168 yds 0 td 0 int 12 for 24 86 yds 0 td 0 int not much? Tom Brady's first 3 games in 2001. Show just little bit of patience, huh?
Okay. Don't you think that John Beck should be entitled to his full season of practice, training camp and regular season games?
He's had a full season. I'm for starting Beck in 2008 the entire season. I would have Ryan in the wings learning the game on the sideline the entire year. This way if Beck peaks and isnt the answer Ryan will come in ready to play in 2009. If Beck is the real deal we can deal Ryan if need be. Maybe we only get a 2nd or 3rd. So be it but we'll have a hedge for the John Beck bet
My question for everyone here is what do you really expect from John Beck at this point? Opposing teams see us as having no running threat and no passing threat, they literally do what they want. Have any of the fans here been watching football for a long time or is this the first season we have decided to follow it? If any organization ever gave up on a QB prospect in their 3rd career start, they would be a bigger laughingstock than we already are now. Also, I love how fans change there plea's. 4 weeks ago it was the season's over just play Beck and let him learn on the job, now it's he sucks we can't win with him. Is he killing our playoff hopes here? The bottom line is we need to let this kid gain experience at the cost of not winning a game at all to see if he can become a good QB in the future. Right now he hasn't shown us that he can't do that.
I completely agree. Although he did play horribly... one person does not win you a game and one person doesn't lose you the game. He's a rookie, the o-line played poorly most of the time, our running game was samkon gadont at one point, and our receiving corp. consists of 0 talent. You let Beck finish out the season... He'll win us a game. Hopefully cam knows that he's going to have to play Booker more often for us. Chatman can't catch worth a poo
LOL you arnm chair qbs are hillarious. You think you know? After 3 games and this game where we are playing a guy we cut 6 days ago and a guy on our inactive list at RB because we got noone else? Please when you get a clue come back. He played badly yes, he forced things, but since when is Beck ready to carry the team as bad as this on his back? 1 int was a tipped ball 1 was in desparation time. No excuses, he shouldnt have thrown them but he is a rookie that was asked to do everything in his 3rd start. WHy arent you coaching again?
LOL, Based on what exactly? There is no such thing as a ready to go NFL prospect QB. 99.9% of rookie QBs have their fair share of struggles in the beginning of their career. The overhyping of Ryan is getting a little ridiculous.
I've watched some Ryan and he is talented. He does a lot by himself as I agree with another poster who said BC has poor RB's, their WR's aren't that good and there O-line is average as well. He is however very careless with the football at times and BC played a cupcake schedule for like 4 weeks (there were games they just couldn't lose). Matt Ryan looks like a good NFL prospect but can't miss???? We shall see.
Motion, Did you not know? It's all about increasing your street credibility on the internet. You have to be the first guy to declare someone a bust and you have to be the first guy to declare someone a star. It doesn't matter whether you are right or wrong. It doesn't even matter how many you are right or wrong about. You just want to have the ability to say - I WAS THE FIRST or I TOLD YOU - with a clear conscience. You might even go as far as to mark the link that you said something first. You want to be able to pump your chest and link it for someone who may be watching you. Get with it man!
umm, we compare his rookie season to Elway and Aikman's becuase that's the QB we WANT him to become. We don't want him to be the next David Carr or Ryan Leaf.
John Beck is a bust. The Ryan kid out of Boston College will be a HOF QB. America will love Ryan. He will marry the 2010 Miss America pageant winner. He will be President after a 20 year career. He will win seven Superbowls. I said it all first. Mark the page link!
Matt Ryan's ability will see him replace Chuck Norris as the signature lines on a billion internet users around the globe. Matt Ryan has 6 knee tendons in reserve, Matt Ryan once threw a TD pass left handed, because his right hand was busy solving the Theory of Everything on his wrist band watch calculator... Henceforth Matt Ryan's used Gatoraid cups shall be referred to as the "Holy Grail" Oh come on folks Beck struggled today, let's not start anointing Ryan as if he is Neo in the Matrix or something. Man it's been a long season, I hope we squeak one or two games out and head into the offseason.
Beck has lead ZERO TD drives. ZERO!!!!!! Not one of those guys listed has that abyssmal stat. Some of you want him to be good so much that you are wearing aqua colored sun glasses and it's clouding your judgement. I'll say it again, he has shown nothing, null, zero, nada that he will be great. He has, however, shown some signs for concern. Not enough to call him a bust, but definitely enough to consider drafting another QB.
You flatly ignore what is going on with a rookie on a young squad yet you want a thoughtful response? What you did not like is that your statement was given no consideration other than emotion. One could take any rookie you would want to draft and insert your statement with their name. I showed you that fact. You didn't like it. I don't like decisions made out of emotion.
This sounds a lot like "Ronnie Brown is a bust!!" I see nothing in Beck's play that either endorses him as the quarterback of the future, or damns him as a bust. He is what he is--a rookie quarterback with three starts. Peyton Manning threw 3 touchdowns and 11 interceptions in his first four starts. He was sacked 11 times. Manning lost 13 games his rookie year and threw two more picks than touchdowns for the season. He also happened to have Marshall Faulk as his running back. Marvin Harrison and Torrance Small at wide receiver. Marcus Pollard as his tight end, and Tarik Glenn protecting his blind side. Manning had Pro Bowl players at every critical position, and he still stunk the place up. John Beck has played three games, two on the road, one against the league's best defense, in some of the worst playing conditions the NFL has ever seen, with absolutely nothing resembling Pro Bowl talent at any skill position. Now how in the world can you evaluate a quarterback under those circumstances? How? Of course we also have the example of dozens of other great quarterbacks that began their careers no better than John Beck has--Terry Bradshaw, Brett Favre, Troy Aikman, and even Tom Brady. I guess we shouldn't be surprised here. The knowledge level of your average fan is notoriously bad. Sports talk radio and the internet proves that as a fan's ignorance increases, so does his noise level. The real outrage at play isn't Beck's performances thus far, it's the systematic incompetence of the Dolphins franchise since at least 1995, and probably since 1985. This organization has lived off past glories for far too long. The 1972-73 team is as remote to most fan's experiences as the Apollo moon missions, or Watergate. It's of historic, not personal consequence. For years Dol-fans patted the organization on the back for mediocrity. They thought not having a top five pick all those years was actually a proud accomplishment. We would talk about the Dolphins as the winningest franchise in pro sports history, but couldn't point to a championship since before most of us were born. 0-12 didn't happen overnight. I question Cam Cameron's future beyond this season a lot more than I do John Beck's. There is enough talent on this roster to have a couple wins, the fact that we don't is more a function of Cameron's ineptitude then anything else.
wow, this thread is great. the entire offense played awful today. literally every single player. including Beck. but Beck has shown great natural instincts so far this year, the kind that you don't generally see in rookie QB's. his mistakes have been few and far between before this game. in fact i'd say he didn't really make a bad decision passing the ball against Philly and Pittsburgh. today was different. but a QB is only as good as the talent around him, and today they were all terrible. i'm not sure why. perhaps Beck isn't as fiery a leader yet. perhaps they don't trust Cameron. i don't know, it's 100% speculation as far as all of that ancillary stuff is concerned, all i can judge is what i've seen on the field so far. Beck has a quick release, makes quick decisions, moves in and out of the pocket well (except when he's blindsided immediately after the snap, of course), and has a pretty good arm. he made rookie mistakes today. probably because he's a rookie. i remember Ronnie being called a bust after 2 games. i guess i'm not too surprised to read this thread. but i would hope for Dolphins fans to have figured it out by now that you can't just give up on a guy this quickly. especially a QB, sheesh.
