Let's do it - a Grier Retrospective

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by texanphinatic, Sep 7, 2025.

What is the worst Grier move?

  1. Charles Harris over TJ Watt

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  2. Tua over Herbert

    33.3%
  3. Waddle over Sewell (or Parsons)

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  4. Drafting Cam Smith, his kid's buddy

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  5. Trading for Bradley Chubb

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  6. Extending Ramsey

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  7. Extending Hill

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  8. Hiring Flores

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  9. Hiring McDaniel

    9.1%
  10. Other (Explain)

    9.1%
  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not hiring Dan Campbell period

    franchise altering mistake

    besides Mahomes I lobbied hardest for that guy to take over cause I knew he had it all for this team playing in this town.
    And anyone who tells me he wasn’t ready, hold your breath, im sure you were one of those who called him a meathead back in the day.
     
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  2. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I'm not sure he was ready, and his time under Payton was hugely beneficial, but yeah he was worth more of a shot than anyone else we've had since then.

    We can only hope Grier isn't picking another one.
     
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  3. Striking

    Striking Junior Member

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    November 4th is fast approaching. I don't trust Grier to get the most value for the guys who must absolutely be traded before then. Chubb, Phillips, Fitzpatrick, anyone else? Do you move Waddle now too? Achane?

    I get that you don't want to leave the cupboard empty but a new GM might also view all those extra picks as a way to build a roster quickly too.
     
  4. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Yeah I can't fathom letting Grier handle the trade deadline - we see moves being made already and insiders are saying more early moves will be common.

    I wouldn't trade everybody, but I would make almost anyone available for the right price. Achane, for example. He's a great player, but if you can get high value for a running back while staring at a regime change, you take it. It's just too short-lived a position to really stake a claim on it.
     
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  5. Striking

    Striking Junior Member

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    I'd be fine with moving Achane. I would think at worst you would get a 3rd round selection. Wright who is looking more like another bust every day and Gordon can carry the load I guess.

    I don't put a lot of time or emotional energy into sports but the decision to do nothing by ownership irks me. A decision to help shape the future of the organization needs to be made and Ross twiddles.
     
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  6. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    The Dolphins have been such an utter disappointment this season and the lack of action by Ross has just sucked the joy out of the game for me this season.

    Ross put out a letter in the beginning of the offseason that said the status quo wasn’t good enough, or words to that effect. Well, I suppose the status quo was good enough and the fans be damned. Well, I’m hopping off of this merry go round. Oh I’ll check scores and watch highlights but I can’t go investing so much time and energy when the owner won’t reciprocate with action to make the Dolphins a winner so, until action is taken…
     
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  7. Striking

    Striking Junior Member

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    Not even performing at status quo level. A Phillips sack probably preserves a win though. But for what purpose? Does anyone view another W as a turning point? Win 4 games on the year vs 3?

    After the first game this team is scoring points. The scheme works well enough despite a poor offensive line. It could be tweaked to reduce the number of behind the line plays so you're not behind the chains so often. Could actually be good if Tua wasn't throwing picks all the time.

    Sorry. Didn't mean to write about non Grier things. Btw, is he still here?
     
  8. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    Not a bad video, he finally sees the light.
     
  9. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    He makes the point that in a Tua trade it's not about return (he predicts a 7th rounder) but in clearing cap ... and unfortunately that is the biggest impediment to a trade. I just don't see a team with enough cap space preferring Tua to a less expensive vet with upside (like the recent Baker/Jones signings) or a high pick rookie. The injury history and cap and overall limitations just make this difficult to put together. I would have to imagine you not only get a minimal return but also would need to eat a good chunk of that cap space too.

    And I will repeat until I am blue in the face - nothing matters at all until and unless Grier is walked out the building. Every problem on this team, every single one, has it's genesis with him.
     
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  10. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, Grier must be the first to go.
     
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  11. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    It’s 11:30 Monday morning after the embarrassing loss to the Chargers and no announcement of any firings. No Grier, no McDaniel. It’s one of two things then…

    Grier either forewarned Ross this season was going to be a horrible season but not to worry…he has a plan or…

    Ross has no intention of firing Grier, most likely because Grier could sink the Dolphins proverbial ship with what he knows over the entire Flores fiasco and Ross would lose the team a la Dan Snyder and the Redskins.

    Glad I spent the day with my granddaughter yesterday and only watched the highlights. Absolutely ZERO stress this morning!!!!
     
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  12. Alan in England

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    with every passing day, Ross proves he is the by far the worst owner in the NFL.
     
  13. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    There's no denying the fact that Grier has got to go. I can't stand the guy, nor do I like the Dolphins way or "culture" that he's built. I mean the bit with McDaniel being all nonchalant about guys being late or just not showing up for meetings is all that I need to know about this current team. No accountability, no real leadership, no structure of any kind to speak of. It's like a fast food restaurant being run by a manager that none of the teenage staff even remotely respects. Sure, it's a product and miserable people like us will still buy it, and despite it needing to be burnt down, rebuilt, and restructured, it's not going to happen and will thus continue functioning at the bare minimum. We're a lot like the Bengals. Things are only going to change once we draft a quarterback talented enough to become the face of the franchise and turn it around by themselves. Basically another Marino. Again, I like Tua, I think he's a serviceable quarterback. You put him on a team like San Francisco, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, or the LA Rams and he's going to win you games and be an integral part of the TEAM he's playing on. Unfortunately this hasn't been that type of franchise since Jimmy Johnson left. So when I say I want to replace Tua, it's not because he isn't talented. It's because he lacks the ability to carry a team in his back when it needs to be carried. Tua isn't going to finish his career a Miami Dolphin. He's going to play elsewhere and he'll do well. This just isn't going to work here. All three of Grier, McDaniel, AND Tua need to be move on elsewhere with their careers. I think we'll get one more Tua season after this one and then that'll be it.
     
  14. Striking

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    So Ross is going to do nothing I see. Guess it's time to stop following until the draft. I'll give him til the end of the week
     
  15. Big Phin

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    Went to the Phins/Panters game a few weeks back. It was great to see so many Phins fans and hang out to ***** about the Dolphins. Some liked Tua, some thought it was time to part ways. There were other things we either agreed or disagreed, but there was one thing we ALL agreed on... Grier has to go. No more decisions with him being involved. Every GM miss on someone and I get that. You can probably make a list for any GM. When that list turns into a book, however, ... time to go.
     
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  16. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I think the fear with moving on from Tua is that he'll go somewhere else and become a great quarterback the same way both Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield have recently done. Over the years, QBs have proven to have a long shelf life in this league, and many of them have success later on in their careers. It happens. I'm not saying it'll happen with Tua, but it could. The Jets look really stupid for letting Sam Darnold go in hindsight. Maybe it was just a bad fit, bad time, bad vibes, but he's moved on and become one of the better guys in the league. Cleveland axed Mayfield because they thought they were getting an upgrade with Watson, and that came back and bit them in the ***, too. If Baker were in Cleveland right now with that defense, playing the way he is in Tampa, we'd be talking about them going to the Super Bowl. Again, I'm not saying that's going to be the case with Tua, but I still think he's in the same tier as Mayfield and Darnold. Now before you argue that with "well Tua can't beat good teams", neither can they by themselves. I think he's playing in a bad environment on a team that has no leadership or structure. It may be time to move on from him, but we may also be in a position where we have no choice but to ride it out with him for this season and next, or until his contract is up. How much better would we be with an improved offensive line and an elite defense? That's a question worth answering because I simply can't just put all the blame on Tua. Would I like to see us draft a new guy at the position? Yes, I would. I'd also like some beachfront property, but that's not happening right now either.
     
  17. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Mayfield is unquestionably WAY ahead of Tua, it's not even remotely close. Darnold is closer, but he still has more upside than Tua imo. The biggest problem for Tua is the injuries - he's not a bad player, but he seems to be hitting his ceiling physically. The concussions, the hip, the ankles ... just everything is coming together and holding him back and I'm not sure he really ever gets his physical self right again. Combine that with his salary and you see the issue. You can get his level of production for way less than that price, and likely with much higher upside.
     
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  18. Striking

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    I don't think you can keep Tua. His attitude isn't inspiring the troops. His injury history. I think he's regressed.

    It'd be nice if they can trade everyone who isn't nailed down, cut as many as possible and just survive off of rookies for a year while you lick your wounds from the cap penalties.
     
  19. Vertical Limit

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    His contract is so awful they have no choice but to keep him for another season.. To put it in perspective about how awful his contract is, there arent many teams in the NFL where he would be a starter. Here is the list: Miami, Jets, and Browns.. that’s about it.. and Browns is a big maybe.. no other teams in the league would have him as the starter let alone a team captain.
     
  20. Striking

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    I think the number is manageable. Not including any other cuts or trades that will impact dead cap space. When Wilson was cut it was 255 million for NFL cap? His number was 32 million in dead space. Tua will be 42 million with an NFL projected cap of 295-307 million. It's doable.

    We're not going to win in 2026 and the pain should be absorbed as soon as possible so that team growth is not impacted by players who aren't fully invested.
     
  21. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    You can get rid of Tua if you find a QB you want to draft. Otherwise he can just be the tank commander next year.

    Because they won't be winning it doesn't really matter all that much whether he is here or not.
     
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  22. Striking

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    I think changing the culture requires changing the management. Tua is part of management willing or unwillingly
     
  23. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    The culture will change with a better coach, a GM who builds a better team, and ultimately with whoever ends up as the next franchise QB.

    Taking the Russell Wilson route should also mean drafting a QB like they did. They don't need to cut Tua so they can start Marcus Mariota or or whoever.
     

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