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  1. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    It started with a Wednesday #longread from ESPN.com that focused on the current whereabouts of former NFL tackle Jonathan Martin. Landing three days after the Super Bowl and more than a dozen years after long-forgotten events that once took the league by storm, it barely made a blip.

    On the first Sunday since the conclusion of the 2024 season, it finally registered.

    It’s not clear how it happened. The teammate at the center of the story — Richie Incognito — sent a direct message to the PFT Twitter account at 2:45 p.m. ET. on Sunday afternoon with a link to a column from Omar Kelly of the Miami Herald with this title: “Jonathan Martin admitted he lied about being bullied.”

    Then, at 10:17 p.m. ET on Sunday night, Incognito sent a second direct message to the DM: “Care to comment? "

    It’s unclear what else happened on Sunday to bring the ESPN.com story to the surface. At 4:09 p.m. ET, Adam Schefter of ESPN posted out of the blue a screen shot of a portion of the ESPN.com article in which Martin is quoted as saying this: “I never believed for a second I was being bullied. . . . It’s a story that I’ve been trying to fix for 10 years.”

    Schefter called it a “notable excerpt.” Incognito, not recognizing that Schefter’s tweet actually did him a favor, replied with this: “Notable excerpt?! You tried to ruin my life over this bull****.”

    Tweeted Incognito at 5:18 p.m. ET regarding Martin: “He couldn’t cut it in the NFL so he quit and his mom blamed me. Legacy media pushed this narrative long and far. Too bad it was all a lie! They lied to protect his money. He quit… the team had every right to claw back that money. His mom started the bullying narrative with [ESPN].”

    In fairness to Incognito, Martin’s recent comments support that conclusion.

    “I had a situation with my teammates that I wasn’t super happy about,” Martin told Anthony Olvieri of ESPN.com in the lengthy article that went mostly unnoticed for days. “But my mother had her own read on the situation.”

    “I didn’t believe any of the stances I was taking, right, where I’m this victim,” Martin added. “I wasn’t a victim, right? And, again, it’s been a point of consternation.”

    Martin’s father, Gus, acknowledged to Olvieri that he and Martin’s mother “did strongly intervene” in order to “make sure he was protected.”

    “My mother maybe in her mind -- I can’t read her mind -- she thought she was doing the right thing,” Jonathan Martin told Olvieri.

    The article includes the text of a voice message that Incognito left to Jonathan Martin on April 6, 2013, less than a year after the Dolphins selected him in the second round of the draft: “Hey, wassup, you half-n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. I’ll s--- in your f---ing mouth. I’m going to slap your f---ing mouth, I’m going to slap your real mother across the face. F--- you, you’re still a rookie. I’ll kill you.”

    That said, there’s a nuance to this that seems to be lost on many. It’s one thing for Jonathan Martin to say he never believed he was being bullied. It’s another thing to ignore the various findings from the extensive investigation that occurred at the time. (Here’s the summary of the report from Ted Wells, as posted by NFL.com at the time.)

    Wells found that Incognito and others repeatedly harassed Martin. That the harassment contributed to Jonathan Martin’s pre-existing mental-health issues. That the harassment was consistent with workplace bullying. That, to the extent the conduct was a reflection of the prevailing culture among the Dolphins’ offensive linemen (and potentially if not likely in other NFL locker rooms), it does not excuse the behavior.

    And the behavior went beyond Jonathan Martin. From the summary: “We found that the [Dolphins’] Assistant Trainer, who was born in Japan, was the target of frequent and persistent harassment, including insults relating to his race and national origin.”

    To the extent that Incognito is now taking a victory lap, let’s remember that it’s not the only time his behavior got him in trouble.

    So, yes, it’s far more complicated than an isolated comment from a man who is trying to put the incident in his past. In many respects, a locker room remains the last bastion of rough talk, whether it’s a billionaire-turned-politician explaining away a certain remark about grabbing women in a certain place or whether it’s athletes saying things to each other that they’d never knowingly say into a hot mic.

    And there’s reason to think Jonathan Martin still has hard feelings about what happened, regardless of whether he’s willing to admit that a six-foot, five-inch, 315-pound football player tolerated harassment in silence, in lieu of cracking a few skulls. Asked by Olvieri whether he’d consider speaking with Incognito and other teammates who were found to have behaved improperly, Jonathan Martin provided a one-word answer: “No.”

    If everything was fine, there’s no reason to not speak to them. Unless, of course, one or more of them continues to insist, well over a decade later, that the many things said and done were fine and dandy.

    Ultimately, Incognito and others who were publicly chastised by the Wells report fell victim to the same mindset that fueled the punishments meted out a year earlier, in the Saints bullying scandal. Rather than admit that a significant cultural problem within the locker room at large needs to be addressed, the NFL grabbed a piece of low-hanging fruit, squished it, and hoped that the outcome would scare everyone else straight.

    And let’s not forget the very real possibility that the Wells report on the bullying scandal had a preordained conclusion. The Wells’s report on the #Deflategate scandal little more than a year later supports a reasonable conclusion that the investigation started with the league’s preferred outcome and worked backward.

    So, basically, the Incognito-Martin case alerted the NFL to a problem that had been festering under its nose for years if not decades, with the Dolphins and potentially if not likely elsewhere. Instead of acknowledging that fact (if it is factual) and embarking on the more difficult and delicate effort to change the league’s culture on a league-wide basis, Wells provided the NFL with the hammer necessary to create the impression that it was an aberration.

    Even if it was anything but. Incognito’s point is that this is how things worked in locker rooms. It’s how players communicated with each other. In isolation, it looks and sounds bad.

    Bad enough to get the league to circle the wagons and clutch its pearls, rather than acknowledging that this is how things worked, and that the league allowed it to happen until the **** hit the fan in Miami.
     
  2. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Watching DouglieDoWrong’s channel this morning, from what he was saying, this was all Martin’s mother’s doing. Now, no issue with the fact Martin was having mental health issues. The issue came when, according to what I saw this morning, Mommy Dearest told JM that if he just quit, the Dolphins would come after his signing bonus, so let’s fabricate this bullying story. Well, with Martin coming clean that he was never bullied, I can understand why Incognito is livid.

    Incognito was a GOOD guard, he was suspended for the remainder of the 2013 season and this drama hung over the Dolphins head the entire season. We were a lot better team than the mediocre 8-8 record showed.

    Thanks a lot Martin. Your shenanigans were instrumental is setting the team back another 5 years.
     
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  3. Fireland

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    What is really happening here is Johnathan Martin is trying to laughably rebrand himself as an "alpha" so this is just as much trying to change history just as much as it is coming clean. He wasn't bullied but he refuses to talk to Incognito still?

    His issues clearly went beyond any bullying or hazing but he obviously had issues with how he was being treated and that is what the investigation found. I think its obviously not ok for Incognito to call his teammates "half-n----- piece of s---" so him trying to do "I told you so" rounds is a bit comical.

    But Dolphins definitely got to unfairly be the poster boy for something that would have been happening everywhere.
     
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  4. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Reading between the lines, Incognito was/is a degenerate who teammates both love and hate. Like they said in the American Pie movies, Stiffler was an a-hole, but he was their a-hole and they had his back. Incognito is viewed the same way in the NFL.

    Martin was mentally ill and did not belong in an NFL locker room...and that has nothing to do with his actual talent for playing the game. He was good enough physically but not mentally tough enough, and that's no knock on him. However, this all came down to money and the bullying was the easy out. What they called bullying, Cogs considered an average Monday afternoon.

    Keep in mind that Martin texted Cogs and others in the same derogatory way. Two-way bullying is often called a brotherhood, a family.

    I do believe Incognito was wronged, but then again he's a terrible human being and it's hard to feel sorry for him. It's comical that this is resurfacing a dozen years later.
     
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  5. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    I think it’s a huge leap to call Incognito a POS. He’s probably immature and crass, but in this business, as an OLineman, that’s probably the overwhelmingly majority of those guys. What he finds funny is subjective, but it doesn’t make a person a POS. I’ve never seen anything that shows he’s a bad person.
     
  6. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    If you take a look at some of his other off the field activities, he's sunk to some pretty low levels. Sexual assault on an employee at a charity event, trying to cut his father's head off at a funeral home and threatening to kill the entire staff when they didn't let him, and several other stories involving paranoia and mental illness.

    To each his own, I guess.
     
  7. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    lol… Yeah, none of that is true. He didn’t attempt to cut off his father’s head.
    The “sexual assault” thing was a p!ssed off woman who tried to get him in trouble because she felt disrespected by Incognito and he refused to apologize. Maybe he was disrespectful to her, but show me where he was arrested for or even charged with sexual assault and I’ll change my mind.

    He’s a hot head for sure, but again I’ve seen nothing that points to him being a “POS”.
     
  8. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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  9. Fishhead

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    He might have taken it a wee bit too literally, lol
     
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