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  1. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Another home game against what appears to be a venerable opponent. Division games can be tricky.
     
  2. djphinfan

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    Yeah buddy, we gotta win the next two and then we’re back in, not gonna get hyped until we do.

    Tua playing at a high level helps, since his return he’s in the top 5 in many major categories.

    leads the NFL in completion %

    amazing what losing 20 lbs can do for you, folks didn’t want to listen but he’s moving around making play adding to his repertoire because if it, pretty damn important

    should never of come to that but he’s a slow learner.

    weaver went from budding star to, to I didn’t get the game plan against the raiders at all.

    Jalen Ramsey can blanket any tight end in football.

    well, pats are playing better with their rookie playmaker..

    I’ll start looking for some news on them
     
  3. cbrad

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    We're favored -7.5. No excuse for losing. We should be 5-6 heading into that Packers game which will be tough. That's when we'll really see if playoffs are realistic. Too bad Tua was injured 4 games. Finding the right backup QB (especially for this system) is a high offseason priority.
     
  4. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    Patriots have been Fiesty with Maye.
    And our defense has been brutal against athletic rushing QBs for years.

    Miami is the better team on paper here. But wouldn’t be surprised if Maye rushes for 60+ and makes this a close battle.
     
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  5. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    The New England Patriots fell to the Los Angeles Rams on Sunday afternoon, but once again, rookie quarterback Drake Maye showed some flashes of brilliance. Yes, Maye threw a critical interception, but he also went 30-for-40 with 282 yards and a couple of touchdowns.
    Six of Maye's completions went to tight end Hunter Henry, who led the Patriots in catches on the day.
    Afterward, Maye raved about Henry and paid him a major compliment. "I'm trying to find 85," Maye said, via Alex Barth of 98.5 The Sports Hub. "I think he's one of the best tight ends in this league." Maye targeted Henry nine times in Week 11.

    On the season, Henry has hauled in 46 receptions for 491 yards and a touchdown. He leads New England in both catches and receiving yards, and by a wide margin. Henry is now in his fourth season with the Pats, and he is on pace to have his most productive campaign since joining the squad in 2021. The veteran's best year in Foxborough to date came during his debut season with the club, when he caught 50 passes for 603 yards and nine scores.

    Obviously, Henry is well behind on touchdowns, but he is certainly tracking toward shattering his marks for both receptions and yards.
    The University of Arkansas product was originally selected by the San Diego Chargers in the second round of the 2016 NFL Draft.

    Henry spent the first five years of his career with the Chargers, with his best campaign coming in 2019 when he snared 55 balls for 652 yards while reaching the end zone five times.

    The 29-year-old has never been a truly elite tight end, but he has certainly been reliable, and most importantly, he has represented a perfect security blanket for Maye.

    Henry re-signed with the Patriots on a three-year deal last March.
     
  6. The_Dark_Knight

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    Maye: “Yea, I’m always looking for #85

    Anthony Weaver: Smother #85 and don’t let him get a single catch.

    Great when you give props to a player but to say you’re always looking for him? Not smart.
     
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  7. djphinfan

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    Well weaver didn’t get the memo on Bowers

    Jesus, I don’t get it
     
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    With Georgia being so good the last few years, I got to see a good bit of Bowers - this kid is amazing. He was virtually uncoverable in college - too big for the DBs, too fast for the linebackers, and a great route runner on top of all that. He made Bennett look like a superstar time and time again.

    With that being said, as a DC, you have to know he’s their best weapon and taking him away should be a top priority. As you said, it looked like Weaver was turning the corner, then came the Raiders game. Hopefully he can rebound and we can smother Maye and the Pats.
     
  9. djphinfan

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    I guess because fuller was out so he didn’t want to use Ramsey on him, but talk about doing whatever wherever he wanted, jeez Louise

    I’ve been a big fan of what I’ve seen from weaver up until that point.

    Put Ramsey in the kid, Ramsey can lock up any tight end
     
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  10. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    The New England Patriots released veteran cornerback Marco Wilson on Monday, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.

    Wilson recorded 15 total tackles in 10 games along with a defended pass. He was originally acquired by the Patriots in December 2023 after being claimed off waivers. He played in 11 games for the team, recording 16 total tackles and a pass deflection.

    The move came after the Patriots' secondary struggled against the Los Angeles Rams on Sunday. They allowed 295 passing yards on the day, mostly to Rams star receivers Puka Nacua and Cooper Kupp.

    The move might have been done to create room for Alex Austin to get back into the mix. The second-year cornerback could be activated from injured reserve soon.
     
  11. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    After coaching against Patriots quarterback Drake Maye on Sunday, Rams head coach Sean McVay came away impressed.

    He looks like a stud,” McVay said, via Mike Reiss of ESPN. “I didn’t do too much work on him coming out [of college]. I do know a lot of people that studied him really hard, that I truly respect their opinions, and they loved what he was all about. You can just see the impact he has on his teammates. He looks like he’s going to be a special player for a long time.”

    The Rams won, but Maye completed 30 of 40 passes for 282 yards, with two touchdowns and one interception, and McVay said he gave the Rams’ defense everything it could handle.

    “I thought he did a great job making plays in the pocket, was patient, taking some underneath check-downs where guys were able to create. We had tighter coverages and he was able to fit the ball into tight windows,” McVay said.

    Six starts into his NFL career, Maye is showing the traits that made the Patriots select him with the third pick in the draft, and giving the Patriots confidence that the biggest piece of their rebuild is in place.
     
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  12. dolphin25

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    When Zappe was starting for them he found Henry often, then Henry got injured for the rest of the year. Henry is certainly a quality player and since we got blown up last week by a TE, it will be interesting matchup.
     
  13. dolphin25

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    One would think the players would cheat over a step to cover Bowers, but that apparently never happened.
     
  14. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Covering Tight Ends has never been a strong suit of the Dolphins. They need to have a plan since the Raiders kinds gave them the blueprint.
     
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    The Patriots got defensive lineman Christian Barmore on the field for the first time this season last week and they’ll be getting an offensive lineman back this week.

    Patriots head coach Jerod Mayo told reporters at his Wednesday press conference that guard Cole Strange will practice with the team for the first time this year. Strange has been out since tearing his patellar tendon in Week 15 last season and is currently on the physically unable to perform list.

    Strange was a 2022 first-round pick and became the starting left guard during his rookie season. He has started all 27 games he’s played as a professional.

    Strange can be activated at any point in the next 21 days once he’s formally designated to return, so he could be in the lineup in Miami this weekend if all goes well.
     
  16. Finatik

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    Wide receiver Tyreek Hill has has missed practice time with a wrist injury the last two weeks, but it looks like he may be taking a new approach to this week.

    Hill did not miss any game action and his wrist was feeling well enough for him to take part in practice on a limited basis Wednesday. Assuming there’s no setback, Hill looks to be on track to play against the Patriots this weekend as well.

    Cornerback Jalen Ramsey (knee), fullback Alec Ingold (calf), defensive tackle Benito Jones (shoulder), guard Robert Jones (knee, groin), and offensive lineman Isaiah Wynn (quad, knee) were also limited participants.

    Defensive lineman Calais Campbell and safety Jordan Poyer had rest days. Left tackle Terron Armstead (knee) and cornerback Kendall Fuller (concussion) were the other players to miss practice.
     
  17. Finatik

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    When the Dolphins played the Patriots earlier this season, Tyler Huntley started against Jacoby Brissett. This weekend, the two teams will be starting their quarterbacks of the present and future in Tua Tagovailoa and Drake Maye. It’ll be the first of presumably many chances Tagovailoa and Maye have to play one another.

    “I respect his game. I respect his game a lot,” Tagovailoa said of Maye in his Wednesday press conference. “He’s a rookie, so there’s going to be bumps within his journey, but you see a lot of flashes of things that he can do, not just inside the pocket, outside of the pocket as well. I’ve got a lot of respect for him and looking forward to competing against him.”

    As for that “first of many” narrative, Tagovailoa said that’s just how the league is.

    “It’s how it goes,” Tagovailoa said. “I wish him the best in his career that he’s just starting. Tough league, but with the right mindset, with the right people around him surrounding him, I think he’ll be doing good.”

    In seven games with six starts this season, Maye has completed 66.7 percent of his passes for 1,236 yards with nine touchdowns and six interceptions — good for an 87.5 passer rating. He’s also rushed for 260 yards with a TD.
     
  18. danmarino

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    As some have mentioned, keeping Maye bottled up might be the key to winning. If Weaver can devise a gameplan to do that I see the Dolphins walking away from the Pats fairly early in the game.

    As this is a divisional game, anything can happen. The Dolphins can't afford that, however. I think they come out strong at home and win.

    Miami- 27
    Pats- 13
     
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  19. TheHighExhaulted

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    There's a massive talent/coaching gap here. The only reason the Dolphins can lose is because of stupid special teams plays. The Pats always have something up their sleeve special teams wise against the Dolphins.

    Otherwise, the Dolphins roll in this one. I think the defense finally gets one this season.

    31-14 Dolphins
     
  20. Finatik

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    The Miami Dolphins defense certainly had its issues with rookie sensation Brock Bowers last weekend, but it wasn't the first time that opposing tight ends have proved problematic.

    The Dolphins will be facing another solid tight end in the former of New England Patriots starter Hunter Henry, whose production has gone up since rookie third overall pick Drake Maye has taken over at quarterback.
    After Bowers burned the Dolphins for 126 yards and a touchdown, three weeks after Tre McBride of the Arizona Cardinals had nine catches for 124 yards against Miami, defensive coordinator Anthony Weaver says all necessary steps will be taken to make sure there's no repeat.

    And those steps absolutely could include Pro Bowl cornerback Jalen Ramsey being assigned to cover Henry at times. That actually was part of the original plan against the Raiders, except there was one little issue that came up.

    "I think where we fell short last week was when they had the change in coordinator," Weaver explained Thursday morning. "Really they changed philosophically some of the things they were doing with him. So when those discussions came up, with the previous coordinator with (Luke) Getsy, on third down in particular, Brock was chipping a lot. So the one thing you'd hate to do is you'd have Ramsey on Brock Bowers and he's chipping and going to the flat or something like that.

    "In game, you'd like to do some things but there's multiple pieces that have to move in order to make some of those changes. It's usually not just that easy. So we're certainly accounting for Hunter Henry. We know the athlete he is. We've played against him. We feel comfortable with our matchups. And we know that he's certainly a, there's a comfort level there with a Drake make it and we have to account for that."

    Henry had only two catches for 32 yards when the Dolphins faced the Patriots at Gillette Stadium in Week 5, and one of them was a 25-yard gain on the very final play when he was tackled at the Miami 11-yard line to clinch its 15-10 victory.

    But that was with Jacoby Brissett at quarterback.

    In the five games that Brissett started, Henry had 16 catches; in the six games that Maye has started, he's had 30; so his average has gone from 3.2 receptions a game to 5.0.
    Henry has had two games with eight catches this season — one with Brissett, one with Maye — and is coming off a six-catch, 63-yard performance in New England's 28-22 loss against the Los Angeles Rams.
     
  21. The_Dark_Knight

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    If Miami controls the ball like they did last week against the Raiders…long sustained drives ending with points on the board, the defense can pin their ears back and give the Pats’ offense hell all day long.
     
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  22. Finatik

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    Playing through a wrist injury, Dolphins receiver Tyreek Hill once again appears set to play. Hill was upgraded from limited to full on Miami’s Thursday injury report. After making just three catches for 16 yards with a TD in Week 10, Hill had seven receptions for 61 yards with a touchdown in last week’s victory over Las Vegas.

    Miami also upgraded cornerback Jalen Ramsey (knee) from limited to full on Thursday. Safety Jordan Poyer was back on the field in a limited capacity after receiving a rest day on Wednesday.

    Offensive tackle Terron Armstead (knee), cornerback Kendall Fuller (concussion), and defensive tackle Calais Campbell (rest) remained non-participants.

    Fullback Alec Ingold (calf), defensive tackle Benito Jones (shoulder), offensive lineman Robert Jones (knee/groin), and offensive lineman Isaiah Wynn (quad/knee) remained limited.

    Linebacker Tyus Bowser (knee/calf), offensive lineman Aaron Brewer (shoulder/calf), linebacker Jordyn Brooks (wrist), tight end Julian Hill (shoulder), safety Jevon Holland (hand/knee), safety Patrick McMorris (calf), and running back Raheem Mostert (hip) all remained full participants.
     
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  23. VManis

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    Putting Ramsey on him seems like such a no brainer that I wonder if the game plan was to take away everything else and let Bowers have his knowing that Minchew couldn't be patience enough and would eventually do something stupid.
     
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  24. djphinfan

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    Tua is better at everything this year. Improvement, and it’s because he lost 20 lbs

    Watch the footwork in his drop, watch the strides and the quickness, watch how much space he covers.

    This is also weight related.

    Some were actually arguing with me about him needing to lose 20 lbs.

    Citing they’re rather have him fat and not run so that he would be better protected in the pocket

    Those folks don’t understand how the totality of the position is played.

    if he continues to take his strength, conditioning and nutrition seriously he will continue to get quicker and stronger.

    he’s playing at a high level also because he making some off script plays that require being quicker and more mobile.

    I’m sure he feels it and knows why.
     
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    The Patriots added one of their top defensive players to Friday’s injury report, and he may not be available for Sunday’s game against the Dolphins.

    Cornerback Christian Gonzalez is now questionable with a hip injury. He was limited in Friday’s practice.

    In 11 games this season, Gonzalez has recorded six passes defensed with one interception.

    The Patriots have ruled out defensive tackle Jaquelin Roy (neck) after he didn’t practice all week.

    Defensive tackle Christian Barmore is questionable as he continues his return from blood clots. He was a full participant on Thursday but didn’t practice on Wednesday or Friday.

    Offensive tackle Vederian Lowe (shoulder), defensive end Deatrich Wise (foot), safety Kyle Dugger (ankle), safety Marte Mapu (neck), defensive end Keion White (knee), guard Cole Strange (knee), and linebacker Sione Takitaki (knee) are questionable.

    Defensive tackle Daniel Ekuale (elbow), tight end Austin Hooper (neck), linebacker Christian Elliss (abdomen), and defensive tackle Davon Godchaux (back) are off the injury report and are set to play.
     
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  26. Tuanon4Life

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    I'm not sure if I ever argued if he should or shouldn't lose weight but I have brought up the possibility he was asked to bulk up/add weight by the team. Tua was criticized in 2022 for being too small and getting tossed around. We don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes. I just saw an interview with Ryan Fitzpatrick talking about Flores fining him for being .8 pounds over during weekly weigh ins back in 2020. Now if Tua was 20 pounds over whatever his normal weight was last season and we didn't hear about any fines I'd think they were OK with or even encouraging adding the weight. I agree with you that the weight loss has had a positive effect on his play. I just think he could have just been doing what the team asked of him putting it on in the first place.
     
  27. cbrad

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    Losing weight is fine if he plays smart enough not to increase the chance of a concussion. But he was out 4 games this year after losing weight and not playing smart enough to avoid a concussion. Availability is important. When we evaluate Tua at the end of this year it's important to take into account that he started all 17 games last year.

    I do agree that if he does learn to play smarter that losing weight is better. But he needs to prove he can play smarter.
     
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    Colts have a tough game against Detroit this week.

    How do you feel about the Raiders upsetting the Broncos at home tomorrow?

    Alot of folks out there saying that the Dolphins are a team in the East that can catch fire and make a run.
     
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  29. Tuanon4Life

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    It certainly feels like we're getting hot right now. I'm optimistic.
     
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    Let Poyer rest until the season’s over.
     
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    He's been really bad, definitely has lost a step, but his veteran presence is felt on the field. I heard Holland talking about how he gets other people into position.

    McMorris who they drafted is close to coming back. He was really impressive in the preseason.
     
  32. The_Dark_Knight

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    There are two must watch games this week other than the Dolphins. Need to see what happens with the Green Bay/San Francisco game and the Denver/Las Vegas game.

    Of course we need to continue handling our business...be that team that's peaking at the right time and RUNNING to make the playoffs.

    We need to see what Green Bay does against San Francisco

    And see if Denver is finally coming together or if they still have their growing pains.
     
  33. djphinfan

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    McDaniel has unequivocally denied that he directed Tua to gain weight.

    If they did let’s say, Tyreek hill calling Tua “ fat as ****” would have been fined.

    the reality is the player had a problem

    Also think about this… if he was instructed to get to 245 and Tua followed suit, how bad in every sense on every level is that advice given.

    Anyone who gave it and was part of that strategy should be fired.
     
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    Playing smarter has nothing to do with losing weight.

    like I said if he was giving that direct order whoever involved needs to be fired
     
  35. The_Dark_Knight

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    Oh my God, you guys are STILL talking about Tua and weight????

    This has become an extremely unhealthy obsession.
     
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    It would be dumb not to talk about the difference in his play this year and all the things he’s doing that he couldn’t last year

    that’s def relevant when it comes to performance and football

    perhaps you don’t think it matters which seemingly comes from take like yours
     
  37. TheHighExhaulted

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    Armstead and Ingold active.

     
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  38. Finatik

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    That’s good. Armstead is a key here.
     
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    It has everything to do with it. His concussion against the Bills occurred because he decided to go head first into a defender well after he already got the 1st down. That was just stupid. All he had to do was slide. No coach is telling him to do what he did. That mistake is on Tua.
     
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    A good drive for the Dolphins.
     
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