Raiders vs. Dolphins - Week 11

The only instance of tanking working in the NFL I'm aware of is the early '90s Cowboys with the Herschel Walker trade. Jimmy Johnson refused to okay the Minnesota veterans acquired in the trade in order to boost the draft compensation. I can't recall if the NDL allowed that to stand or not.
JJ was able to leverage his insider knowledge of the college game and the draft haul he had into a dominant team.
Plus he had the advantage of working out a draft value chart before anyone else.

There's a lot of non replicable stuff going on in that situation.

 

And yet many here still do not understand....

 

Yes, WE are all the idiots and you are the all powerful, all knowing Genie.

The problem with your arguments is you are so ironclad and constantly repeat the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ***pause for deep breath***over and over and over and over and over and over and over…

You could make a genuine point and it would be lost.

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/Vn6Y0AAlTPQ?si=yuRR7EdicDBuGgIr

This didn't get you excited? Cmon Res don't let Eeyore get you down.

 

People need to also stop saying "worst team in the league". Raiders are 25th in points scored and 29th in points allowed. They're bad, but there are some that are worse. Carolina is 29th in points scored and 32nd in points allowed for example. Raiders aren't "the worst".

 

I dunno man. I grew up in NE surrounded by Patriots fans. Regular seasons wibs never mattered back then in arguments with my friends, and they still don't matter today. Lol

Yeah, I enjoy them, but at 46 years old, regular season wins are just kinda hollow now, since we haven't hardly been to the playoffs in the past almost 30 years, and the couple times in, we got destroyed.

Honestly man, we're essentially the Browns of most of my life right now.

 

The absolute blown coverage play? Lol. I mean, yeah I liked it. But it doesn't mean anything man.

 

You don't think the Colts tanked when they got Luck?

 

It didn't work. No SB wins. No Conference Championships. Worse playoff record than under Manning before the tanking. Tanking generally does not work in the NFL. No one should be advocating tanking if you want to improve the team.

 

There are things about the team that excite me...Smith is exciting that we might finally have a TE??

Like I said, for me personally, I can enjoy wins, but I'm not gonna be happy with this team until they show that they can consistently go toe to toe with the good teams. As long as they keep getting destroyed in the playoffs, I'll continue to not really care about regular season wins.

 

100% Irsay tanked for Luck. Curtis Painter was worse than any of our practice squad QBs and they trotted that poor boy out every week. They couldn't figure out how to win until Matt Moore won us enough games to lock Indy in with the 1st pick. Then all of a sudden the Colts stopped losing. I wanted us to get Andrew Luck so bad. The Colts ended up ruining him with a terrible O line.

 

LOL, buckle up

 

I’m not getting excited until we win the next two, they you will have earned my respect again.

Really have liked how they played the last three weeks, but no way, they built this hole through poor preparation strategies and they will have to climb the **** out of it

 

See at least this post contains some honesty...

I can sort of respect it.

 

You're letting them dictate the argument then. Regular season wins were what we had vs the Pats for a decade there. Blah blah Brady super bowl... Pats are still going to lose in Miami!

To the topic at hand, regular season wins must come before post season wins. It's just math. Having an offense that can grind out multiple 14 play scoring drives as well as 4 play scoring drives is key. Multidimensional offenses are harder to stop for obvious reasons. Success against bad teams usually happens before good ones. There are reasons for optimism. Teams come together, players improve, hope springs eternal.

 

No I think you are missing his point...

This team has sucked for so long.... and we as fans have been left Bereft of winning that winning a few games against Brady in the regular season for us was our superbowl.... We did not make the playoffs... we did not win the playoff games... no superbowls.... Just the occasional upset against Brady and the Pats was enough to make many Dolphins fans content.

That speaks volumes as to how badly we have been collectively beaten down and decimated.... That to so many that would seem like enough....

This once proud franchise was used to so much more.... Fans once expected so much more.

People speak of winning culture... No Dolphins fan under the age of 60 even understands or remembers a Winning Culture in Miami

 

Yes I'm not saying that there aren't reasons for optimism. I'm saying that those things don't indicate to me that we are anywhere close to competing in the playoffs.

 

It will be a hell of a accomplishment if this team gets to 10-7

pretty unlikely though so the hole that they dug themselves in goes strait back to the head coach and GM

 

And yet ,people will still fulfill their attention seeking needs over and over and over and over and over and over and over......

 

Right, but the argument is that rooting for losses is appropriate because draft, over rooting for wins and the team getting better. I think that topic threads get lost. What is missing from being able to compete in the playoffs? The team as is (with Tua) competed with Buffalo in Buffalo, and the Cardinals. Games that were there to win. Games that a play here or there would have been won. Packers and Texans left as winning teams to check improvement. 49ers as possible spoilers. Results matter, and how games are loss or won matter. If the Dolphins continue to improve why can't they beat Buffalo or AZ if replayed? Holland coming back matters. Conversely, losing Jackson sucks.

There is still so much football to be played. To give up on the season now... Why be a fan? I am not saying that those that have aren't fans, I just don't know why they are.

 

This is going on for many years now. If you're rooting for the team to lose every single year just for some unrealistic glimmer of hope that Grier gets fired it's legitimate to argue you're not really a fan of this team. It's not a one year thing. It's every year.

 

Who is rooting for the team to lose every year.... The goal is to have a team good enough to win a superbowl. That is what I am rooting for. You seem like an okay guy Brad... but it is a bit of a stretch for you or anyone else here to think they know what others cheer for every single year. (Just because they do not believe in the current team/regime)

 

StaleTacos admitted as much as that he'd rather see the team lose for precisely the reason I mentioned: to get Grier fired. Same narrative for multiple years now.

 

Exactly that is the worst talk imo. If you‘re not excited after a win, you’re no real fan, just one example. There is no relegation, if you don’t win, you don’t lose anything, instead you get rewarded with higher draft picks. I would be still on the bandwagon, if I thought this team could make any real noise. We had all the marbles and didn’t achieve anything, Bengals did a better tank. Grier is now in charge 9 (?) years?! If they really make a push this year that might get me back, if not I‘m going to be in the you‘ve got to show me something to believe it mode as long as Grier is running the show.

 

Hang on man. 50 is probably closer to the truth. They would be old enough to be a fan during the 90s and the team was still good during the 90s and they were ok during the early 2000s. We had RUN RICKY RUN and then it all went to ****. I'm under 60 but I remember the good times.

 

I agree 100% Deej

 

I don't think anyone is "rooting for" losses. I certainly am not

I'm just saying that the wins are hollow, because of we make the playoffs and get freaking smoked, then we haven't made progress. Know what I mean?

I don't want the Dolphins to lose, I just don't put a ton of value into the wins right now. This is why myself and a few others are always talking about the future, because honestly, that's where there only real hope is. So yeah, wins are nice, but if they only accomplish it's being what we've been for the past like 30 years, it just doesn't do anything for me.

I want to see a Super Bowl before I die. Hell, I'll take getting to the AFC championship have. I'm 46, and all I've seen from the Dolphins is disappointment. I'd rather my son isn't 46 someday, having watched the same garbage Dolphins that I have since I was his age (he's 15 now).

Like, that's it man. Lol. I love the Phins. But I feel like I've been in an abusive relationship with them for the last two decades.

 

I will be 50 in a few .months i was very young when Marino got to the Superbowl.. not really old enough to appreciate it and understand everything that was happening. I am sorry Ricky was great.. but we still never really won anything with Ricky in the years of pornstache .. Zach and JT were great... But we never won anything with them either... Just year after year of under performance.

 

That was the tail end of the good times.

They still broke our hearts in the playoffs.

 

I want Grier fired... When we are a team that has beaten one team with a winning record in 2 years and almost eliminated from the last playoff spot... I see the value of cashing out a handful of plAyers for draft picks... Finishing the season with 4-5 wins and having the owner fire Grier... To me that is a net win for the organization.. if that bothers people.. so be it

 

Exactly the same bro. My teen years were spent crowing about Marino while I watched Buffalo dominate, and Patriots fans were awful haha

I loved Ricky Sticky Williams and Ronnie Brown. I freaking loved the underperforming Chambers because of the ridiculous catches he'd once in awhile pull off. Madison Surtain Taylor Thomas I could go on. But the one constant?

Couldn't win in the playoffs.

Still to this day.

 

It's selfish and unfair towards the players, too. Guys like Hill are gonna squander their remaining good years on a team that isn't really competitive? It's just a bad look, imo. Yeah these dudes get paid, but that comes with a responsibility that the organization is gonna put together competitive teams.

Grier has got to got to go. Like yesterday. He should be giving his pay back also haha

 

Right.. so you want us to lose too. No one is firing Grier if we win.

And be honest. This isn't the first year you've wanted us to lose to get Grier fired right? And if this isn't the first year and you've been rooting for us to tear it down in past years, then what I said applies to you too.

 

StaleTacos is because he wants Grier fired. He admitted it himself repeatedly. See page 6.

"I think actual change to the front office will occur with losing, not winning."

 

It's like your missing parts of my posts, and other peoples posts. There are posts in this thread that state why they don't want the Dolphins to win. I am not sure how you can read those and say that you don't think anyone is rooting for loses. Also, I've mentioned why I have hopes for how the O has developed, balance. Balance can lead to post season, bad weather, on the road, wins.

This stuff doesn't really matter. You feel like the team breaks your hear every year. Your son is 15. If every team wins one Super Bowl each going forward your son could be 47 before the Dolphins win theirs. If your a fan for the destination instead of the journey, your going to have far far more bad years than good. If the only time you won't feel heart break is a Super Bowl win, I don't know what to tell you. Hope you have some old school country play lists ready. It's such a happier relationship when you do value the journey, or even better, when you still dream of what the opportunity could be.

 

I did not want them to blow it up last year....

Last year I was a sucker... I sat there in disbelief as we lost to the Titans.

Thank you for playing the game of... ( Etrius must hate this team)

Better luck next time.

 

Fair enough. This is year 1 for you. But given what you've argued you probably will be rooting for us to lose for many years in the future. Grier is teflon (no one knows why either).

 

Grier is indeed teflon… What I must admit though is, that I‘m impressed with McDaniel, he didn’t lose the team and changed our style I think for the better too. Problem is that Hill is hurt and I think he actually needs surgery (not 100 % sure on that), Waddle needs to step up big time!

 

The adversity we're facing this year, being 4-6 with essentially every remaining game a must-win, is a fantastic opportunity to evaluate McDaniel. If he comes out of this with a winning season I don't think there's any doubt he's a keeper.

It did take him awhile to adapt to defenses taking away the deep ball though. He should have adapted earlier because there were hints of this last year, but he proved he can, which is really important.