Raiders vs. Dolphins - Week 11

Agreed but if you want to win a Super Bowl or at least a playoff game, you‘ve probably have to take that chance, it’s not like he’s been here since yesterday.

 

More excuses, let it go…

 

Why? Did this game show you something? Good win, but what does it mean? With 3 minutes to go they were only what, 5 points ahead? Against the worst team in football?

I don't understand the call for banning people just cause you don't like their perspective.

 

I mean, words have meanings. Are we supposed to guess at what you mean? Lol

 

He had all the marbles and didn’t produce a playoff win (I know bad luck was involved), he’s on his 3rd (?) coach and has been running the show for quite a while now. He doesn’t suck and is not the worst GM ever and sadly I don’t see him leaving ever as long as Ross is „running“ the show.

 

You mean prospects? Verlander could have been had by any team. The deal from Detroit was mostly about a salary dump. Detroit included money in that deal. Not to mention, Verlander really became a monster in Houston due to analytics and pitching development. Also, what really helped was their cheating in 2017. The lack of salary cap in baseball makes the draft largely meaningless.

I don't know what you mean by tanking. Drafting higher is better than lower, and as long as Grier is choosing, it won't make much of a difference. It's really that simple for me. Also, for every team you mention, you can name successes. Also, disagree on Detroit, a long of their success has to do with drafting high up and getting players like Sewell, Hutchinson, Gibbs, Jack Campbell, Jameson Williams, ect...

 

Ramsey is in decline
Hill is in Decline
Campbell is 38

This is not a young team...

Seiler is what 29... so he is about to start declining

Holland is on his way out of here.

The offencive line is a joke.

You are in serious denial about this "winning culture" and expecting any improvements. There is no winning culture in Miami.... It has been missing for 2 decades... Even if they somehow get to 9 wins this season.... That is no winning culture. That is mediocrity.

Tua has beeen in the league for 5 years... This is as good as he is going to get. (regardless of how good you feel he is.)
Waddle has been in the league for 4 years... This is as good as he is going to get. mostert is what 32... There is no future with him...

Ogbah is in decline and is not part of the future.

 

The raiders moved the ball most of the game at will.
The raiders were missing both starting tackles and yet Minshew was able to do what he wanted most of the game.

The Dolphins offence did move the ball well most of the game... it is true.

But like Resnor and others have pointed out. They moved the ball against the worst team in football.

 

The Raiders aren’t a good team but they are far from the worst.

Jacksonville
Carolina
NY Jets
NY Giants
New England
Cleveland

Those teams are far worse off but everyone needs to remember; this is the NFL. Anybody can beat anybody on any given Sunday.

And didn’t the Raiders just come off of a bye I believe? They should have been prepared to play the Dolphins.

 

You said the draft is largely irrelevant in baseball, and specifically with respect to my comment about the Astros. That's simply factually incorrect. They got key players in the draft and used high draft picks for key trades. Can't really argue with this.

Why don't you list the SB winners that you think won due to tanking, i.e., deliberately losing (which is what you're advocating for the Dolphins) so that we have higher draft picks?

Regarding Detroit, they were so bad so many times in their history that it's pretty clear it's not the high draft picks per se that's the difference, but instead getting the right coach. Obviously their current HC came in after Detroit was once again really bad and had high draft picks, but that's not the key differentiator from the many times they sucked in the past.

 

We really need a lol emoji, because that is just utter nonsense.

 

Players are constantly replaced. Just because you think some are in decline doesn't mean we're stuck with them. Also, the Dolphins have had 4 consecutive winning seasons in a row now and two straight playoff appearances, so by virtue of their winning record they do have a winning culture, at least until this year which isn't yet over.

Also, saying Tua is not going to get any better when he's putting up elite passing stats is not much of a critique.

You're not making any good argument for tanking, especially given the evidence it generally doesn't work.

 

I want sacks... I want tackles for loss... I want turnovers before the end of the game They were playing the worst team in football.

And

As someone else pointed out... with 5 minutes to go in this game it was a one possession game

Against the worst team in football... With a intern head coach who has never been a head coach before... Who has been a head coach for 6 days

 

There is one…two in fact

and

 

We are stuck with several oh yes.... Terrible contracts for Hill and Ramsey for example.

 

Not bad to be stuck with VERY good players.

 

I was going to ignore this post but you really need to get your facts STRAIGHT before posting.

Antonio Pierce has not been the head coach of the Raiders for 6 days. He’s been the head coach since October 31st LAST YEAR, when Josh McDaniels was fired.

Opinions are one thing but please have your facts straight before posting opinions. When your facts are clearly inaccurate, it destroys any credibility when it comes to opinions.

 

Do you really like the Hill and Waddle deals? I don’t, with Ramsey it’s a little different, cause I think he’s in the „Campbell mold“…

 

They have talent... but they are old and too expensive.

And I will mention the most important aspect of this.

This season is more than likely lost.

So the next thing we need to look at is the future.

I will bring something up for you and others.

If in the past and in this season... Ramsey and Hill at their peak were not good enough for us to win a playoff game.... How wise is it to punt tough decisions down the road and expect those players to be good enough to get you to the superbowl two years later/older????

Mostert has peaked... They screwed the pooch bringing him back for this season as opposed to trying to get a draft pick for him.

at the end of the season his value will be almost nothing.

Hill this season has NOT been worth more than 30 million This situation will NOT improve with age...

So as talented as Hill and Ramsey are.... it is not smart to overpay players past the age of 30

 

If there’s anything I’ve learned about player contracts and the salary cap is they are very VERY fluid.

 

Again, the Verlander trade wasn't about high draft picks. High draft picks weren't used in that trade. It was mostly a salary dump indicated by Detroit including money. You are 100% wrong on that. Astros definitely hit on a few guys in their draft for sure, better than most do in Bregman, Correa, and Springer, but by and large the majority of the team's success wasn't draft related. Hell, all their pitching wasn't high draft picks. Altuve their best player was an amateur FA. Draft matters very little in baseball.

SB winners that won due to tanking? What? I'll just repeat what I said, "drafting higher is better than lower, and as long as Grier is choosing, it won't make much of a difference. It's really that simple for me."

 

It's an attempt to have key players for a SB run in the next few years. It's a gamble, but I think it's better than losing key players. We need Hill. I'm OK with that. He's an elite WR and after QB the next most important piece is the WR corps. Waddle I'm not wedded to.

 

Waddle is overpaid
McD extension was a brain dead move

the list is long when you are looking at things wrong with this franchise

 

you are right...

I am sorry I am messaging back and forth with half a dozen people right now.

it is the OC that was fired not the head coach

Cheers.

 

The defense hadn't given up a touchdown in almost seven quarters straight.

 

Yep. I mentioned that in my prior post. Dodgers probably win if not for the cheating. They should have been stripped of their title if baseball didn't cave in.

 

Sorry for your loss.

 

Don’t know how much longer he’s elite though and @Etrius24 has some valid points in his initial post. After the season we’re all going to be smarter though, lol.

 

No you're wrong about the Verlander trade not being related to picks. Daz Cameron was part of that trade and drafted in the 1st round in 2015. So was Jake Rogers who was drafted in the 3rd round in 2016. So yes, high draft picks were used (or leveraged) in the Verlander trade. By the way, it's not just Correa and Bregman, but also Kyle Tucker (5th overall in 2015) that was part of the Astros use of high draft picks for their WS run. So yes you're completely wrong about draft picks being irrelevant in baseball.

As far as SB winners, you obviously can't name a single example where tanking worked. That says it all.

 

it an attempt that failed.

Because the players mentioned are past their peak... still good players... but all they will do from now on is decline... So they are overpaid and will under produce.

There was no super bowl run the last two years Tyreek has been here.

There will be no superbowl run this year.

3 years wasted....

 

I agree on Waddle and McD extension was maybe a little bit early but he did turn things around and didn’t lose the team. I‘ll wait till after the season with hard judgements, with Grier being the lone exception, lol.

 

Fin...

Here is the thing

It makes me feel sick that I am right about this team... the last 2 years... this year... and unless major changes are made... next year as well.

I want to be wrong. I want them to win... I want this team to be THE team everyone else is scared of. I would love this team to be the TEAM everyone else thinks is going to the superbowl

But that is not the case.

We looked pretty good today... but it is like that episode of Seinfeld where Kramer is taking Karate and he tells Jerry and Elaine he is 8-0 in competition.... undefeated... but he also forgot to tell them that he was competing against 8 year olds.

That is why this win feels empty.
That is why this win does not really move the needle

Because the Dolphins were playing arguably the worst team in football.