No offense, but I think I am going to value TJ Watt's opinion as a multiple time Probowl player over any forum denizens.
New to the forum, yes. New to football, not a chance. I watched my first Dolphins' games when Bob Griese was still Miami's starting QB, and Larry Csonka was lined up behind him. I remember when Don Strock took over as starter, and watching Dan Marino's first start on national TV. Try again.
McDaniel continues to show pure class when answering media questions about this. "Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel said he has "zero idea" what any timeline might be and doesn't want to put that sort of pressure on the 26 year old. "First and foremost, I'm not assessing the injury through the lens of, 'Alright, so what does this mean for him playing?' " McDaniel said on Friday. "Really, for me, I know the facts are that it's important that he gets healthy day by day, and in that, the best thing I can do is not try to assess what this even means from a football standpoint."" https://www.nfl.com/news/dolphins-q...s-to-retire-after-suffering-latest-concussion
I really don't care, that's not a play you try and make at this point. If you're in the playoffs, sure. But as a QB with a concussion history in week 2 down big? Nah, stupid play. Learn to slide. You aren't helping the team sitting in concussion protocol because you aren't sure if you made the first down or not.
In nearly all situations, the only QB doing that might be Josh Allen. It was a foolish decision. The results prove that. Watt can have his opinions, but he’s using hyperbole and pretty much nonsense in order to push his narrative. Again, these guys are not “gladiators”. I mean, do we believe that the lions and gladiators had refs throwing flags for dangerous acts? How many gladiators were fighting for their lives voluntarily while being paid more in one fight than most people make in 10 years?
I'm not the one making snide passive aggressive digs at another person for pissing contest forum points. I don't know whether this is you projecting or another half baked confession of your own rude behavior, and once again I truthfully dgaf. I do know I'm done wasting my time responding to your immature and derogatory passive aggressive bs posts. Grow up, and grow a pair.
Reports are Tua has no plans to retire: This is exactly why I kept telling a bunch of anti-Tua posters right after the game that their victory lap was premature. My prediction looks like it will turn out correct. The story of Tua with the Dolphins isn't yet over. Timeline for return is unclear, but it will be driven by Tua and his docs.
If after consulting with concussion specialists, he is medically cleared to play and returns to play, I certainly hope everyone here will root and cheer for each and every Dolphin on the field…to include Tua. I am a Miami Dolphins fan, not a fan of the Dolphins except this player, that player and that other one. As poorly as Chad Henne played, I cheered for him because he wore the aqua and orange. If I could cheer for him, certainly we all can cheer for every one of our players.
The number of people on here who didn’t post after week one and only showed up Thursday night tells you that won’t be the case.
That's OK. There are enough of us that root for the entire team. Another positive: this news should increase our chances of winning games in the interim because players won't think the season is lost. Seattle is 2-0 and Tennessee is 0-2. If we can manage a 2-2 after the first 4 games this season is still fully in play assuming Tua can come back by NE at the latest. Question is can Skylar win a game!
How can he have actual plans before he undergoes the evaluations, tests, and gets medical advice? This is a looooong process. Even if he has plans to retire, he's certainly not going to let that be known so early in the process. There will be quite a lot of gamesmanship going on with the money involved. This a big nothing-burger.
What's important about this story is that it sheds light for the first time on Tua's desires. Tua could have already come out and said he's going to retire, or said nothing. Assuming the report is accurate, this at least shows he has the desire to play. That's an important piece of information even if it's a long process. Either way, it's precisely why I kept saying let it play out first before taking a victory lap.
He’s already had evaluations and tests. This won’t necessarily be a long process. The tests will continue, but if he was having severe and lingering symptoms I’m sure we wouldn’t be hearing these things. That’s not saying a person can’t have symptoms flare up again, but this message is a great sign for him and most definitely more than a “nothing burger”.
I don't think it's all that important. There's absolutely no way Tua can properly process this so quickly. When he was walking back to the locker room, he would have said the same thing. It's kind of meaningless without him getting all relevant information, undergoing extensive testing, going over all the risks, and discussing with his family. Again, and I think this is important, if he did WANT to retire, he is NOT going to publicly say this as he'd lose all the money owed to him. Whereas if he's medically forced to retire, he does.
Him saying he wants to play is meaningless. That's the point. Like I said, if you asked him when they were picking him up from the field, he would have said he wanted to play. After his concussion in Buffalo, he wanted to play and not leave. After his concussion against Green Bay, he kept playing. That's what these guys do. I have very little to no doubt, he'll continue to have the desire to play. The question will be if his family, doctors, friends, coaches can talk him out of it after experiencing this all over again and going over the long term ramifications. Will he start to question things himself as he goes through this process. Then the financial stuff is why things might be smoke and mirrors as we go along here.
It's not meaningless. Tua could have simply said he's waiting for all the relevant information to evaluate his future and no one would have thought twice about it. Or he could have said nothing. Your proposed explanation of what's behind this statement is only one of many possible. It is very possible this actually is what Tua plans to do. You can't rule that out. So yes it's meaningful because that was information we didn't have before.
What "extensive" testing? Him saying he wants to retire doesn't mean he's losing anything. He would have to actually voluntarily retire to lose a dime.
Well first off, and most importantly. Tua didn't say anything! This is 3rd hand information from "sources." There's just no way to make any informed decision at this juncture. Big ole' nothing burger.
Yes I qualified my argument in a previous post with "assuming the report is accurate". But assuming it is accurate, and agreeing with you that there's no way to make a fully informed decision at this juncture, this is meaningful information because it makes it more likely he plans to return than not planning to return given all the different types of statements he could have made at this juncture. So stay tuned..
But again, he didn't make ANY statements at this juncture. You have no idea the context of what he said or who he said it to or what was really said. Let me explain this as well, if Tua said privately he doesn't want to play (highly doubt he would say this), his agent would NEVER relay that information. And if Rapoport asked his agent if Tua wanted to play, it would be better for Tua AND his agent to say he wants to return to the field for financial reasons.
Yeah it's also possible what Rapoport reported is accurate. You seem to be dismissing that without evidence. I think there's a greater than 50% chance what Rapoport said is accurate. Otherwise it's his credibility on the line. And if it's it's greater than 50%, then my argument stands: it's meaningful information about Tua's plans even at this early juncture.
It could have been a teammate who was consoling him after the game, and Tua saying to him I want to be back and I'm coming back. And then Rap goes out, asks the teammate and then it's this big story. I'm not entirely dismissing it, I just find it very meaningless this early in the process. You want to find great meaning here. Have at it.
Let's just see what happens. I already have my prediction about Tua returning. Let's also put Rapoport's credibility on the line while we're at it lol.
How does what I said put Rap's credibility on the line? I didn't say Rap is making it up. You certainly may be right about Tua coming back. I wouldn't bet against it after learning more about the money. IMO, the only thing stopping it will be the NFL or Tua's family/friends talking him out of it. That said, it doesn't really change much though about who Tua is, how bad of a contract it was to give out, how he's put us in a hole on the season, and how he can't be relied on so we'll need to draft/trade for a QB in the future.
Rap could have explained what his source was. You questioned that. He doesn't make it sound like it was from an unreliable source. So yes if Tua ends up deciding not to come back it will hurt Rap's credibility.
I didn't say it came from an unreliable source. The last example I gave was from a teammate. That's plenty reliable, I just find it meaningless, especially without knowing the full context. I also don't see it hurting Rap's credibility. His report could be fully accurate. Tua then undergoes the full process and goes another direction, that doesn't make Rap a liar.
It definitely hurts Rap's credibility if Tua doesn't come back because HE is acting like this is meaningful information! You should look at the entire video again to see how Rap phrases things. He's making it sound like it's essentially a foregone conclusion Tua comes back. Many times where he could have said "if" Tua comes back he says "when". There's a difference between saying he's hearing from some sources that Tua wants to play again (as an example) versus acting like he's got the inside scoop on something. This is more the latter. Be wrong doing that enough times and yeah it will hurt your credibility (although a lot of journalism today doesn't have much credibility anyway).
I think you are really reaching here. The report is a source says Tua wants to come back. That fully may be Tua's intention at this moment, and if Tua doesn't come back there's many many reasons why that doesn't contradict Rap's initial reporting or source. Agree to disagree
I don't post much because I have nothing of value to add. I enjoy the heck out of reading y'all though. You guys know your stuff.
