Where do you draw the line on what to accept and what to deny? If it supports your personal narrative?
Good googly moogly! If you forced perspective to make them the same height, he'd have to be 10 feet behind everybody in that shot.
If you look at this poster’s inability to properly read, understand, and transcribe stats, along with the numerous corrections I’ve shown him, you’d see why he thinks stats can be “twisted”. He’s quite good at doing just that. The truth is, stats can be cherry picked, so in that way they can be twisted, however, the numbers don’t lie and as long as ALL stats concerning a topic are given there’s really no way to twist them. Granted, not all stats have a lot of meaning or substance, mainly because football is such a team sport and it’s hard to refine a stat to show individual play and what really effects the win/loss columns, but there are many that do a good job.
Well there are a myriad of ways to twist a stat. Arguing about the validity of the stat guess back to the inception of this site lol
Yeah, I mentioned the validity of a stat in my post. For example, “INT worthy passes”… IMO that stat is garbage and nothing but subjective nonsense. And YPA may be more important than YPC, or vice verse, but my point still stands. As long as these numbers aren’t cherry picked, and have some semblance of objectivity, and transparency, (like the creators of QBR hide its formula), there’s really no way to “twist a stat.” If I ONLY mention INT’s while trying to bash a QB, let’s say that have 20, but I ignore everything else that’s cherry picking and twisting. What if that same QB had 70 TD passes? I think we’d all take that over a QB that has 5 INT’s but only 10 TD passes.
Well, “INT worthy passes” really has no validity. Either a pass was intercepted or not. Some dude in a cubicle, who doesn’t really know what he’s looking at, much less the routes the receivers ran, the failures of playcalling, blocking, etc, can’t really be the last word on what passes should have been INT but were not.
Let's say Tua throws a 5 yard out to Hill, Hill jukes the defender and runs 35 yards for the TD. Stats will say Tua threw a 40 yard TD, but did he really?
Mr Doesn’t-Know-How-to-Understand-Stats doesn’t realize that all things are equal. Meaning, if it counts for Tua it counts for all QB’s… AND, like I mentioned before, if you consider all stats, and don’t cherry pick just one, you can’t really twist them. Passing yards and TD’s aren’t the end all/be all for QB efficiency. It is, however, for dullards who want to make a QB look better (or in his case worse) than they truly are.
timing, placement and speed of delivery are components to a successful play like that, even though Hill and Waddle have not provided too many of those type of plays.
The question was how can stats be twisted. That is an example of how stats can be twisted. There have been lots of plays were Hill has caught the ball and run for 20 yards are more after the catch.
He had 1800 yards lol. Rashee Rice had 938 receiving yards and 653 YAC, more than Hill. I guess Mahomes stats are skewed.
@dolphin25 has a difficult time with stats and I don’t think he knows what he’s arguing at this point. I mean, we all agree that cherry picking stats CAN lead to a faulty outcome or perception of a player. However, he’s trying to cherry pick YAC in order for it to look like Tua’s not as good as ALLLLLL of his stats suggest.
I’ve frequently made this case about quarterbacks and their stats. Mahomes FREQUENTLY throws short passes and the YAC pads his stats. I’m not taking anything away from Mahomes but merely illustrating the point. If memory serves, Tua led the league last season in downfield passes of 25+ yards
I'm not trying to pick on anyone here but I mentioned Tua throwing bombs to Tyreek. His rebuttal was a highlight video of Tua throwing bombs to Tyreek. Huh?
Food for thought… https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/downfield-passing-accuracy-leaders-in-the-nfl-2023
Tuas yac stats have been dismantled by the longest completion percentage and speed of delivery. Basically the guy throws the farthest, the fastest, at the highest completion percentage. That in a nutshell is the superpower of Tua and this offensive design. His game can facilitate this unique system. Let’s appreciate the degree of difficulty or continue to be be naive to it your choice
Of course he did. It’s the same as the QB throwing a 35 yard pass and the WR catching the ball and running five yards for the TD. It’s still a 40 yard TD pass and a 40 yard touchdown catch. That's the way it has always been.
Exactly, shows the slant in the stats thus proving my point. He actually threw a pass yard pass that was turned into a 40 yard TD.
I realize you grasp onto those in hopes that he is a top QB. That works for you and I'm glad you are happy with that. Personally, I think it is much easier to throw to a fast receiver that gets open fast then to wait for your receiver to run the route.
no end game, the conversation was about how stats can be misleading. That is an example of how they can be misleading. I like Tua, I am a fan of Tua, I hope he becomes a top 5 QB. Just not all gaga like some here on the board are on the board for him. For the record I did not like Tannehill at all, was not a fan of his, was glad he was sent packing. It would be interesting to see how many WR's had as many TD YAC of 20 or more yards like Hill did.
I see 4 plays where Hill catches the ball on a bomb into the endzone. 11 where he either catches it and runs 20 plus yards into the endzone or catches a quick TD. How much is the "bomb" you refer to because of Hill? OR are you claiming it is all TUA even though he didnt do that with other WR's?
It takes two to tango. If you think Tua's elite accuracy isn't half of the equation here I don't know what to tell you.
