Where did I say you said that? I mean, I literally embedded and mentioned the name of the guy who did say it. You either need to get the tears out of your eyes or work on your English because you seem to have real troubles with comprehension.
Tua either goes through the reads of a given play or throws it right away to a guy that a play is designed for. I don't think we need to hyperanalyze this one. All offensive schemes have the first element, and I'd wager most, if not all of them, have the second element as well.
Well, all plays are designed to go to the first option. That’s why there’s a #1 option on that play. If the #1 isn’t open the QB goes through progressions. When one of these plays is designed to take less than 2 seconds, there’s going to be mistakes… whether it’s an errant pass, bad read, or receiver running the wrong route… and these can happen in any play, but in quicker plays the outcomes can be worse because the rest of the team is expecting the ball to be out so fast. In no world is an NFL QB being told to just throw it to a WR before the play ever happens. That’s literally one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. Lol
He‘s great on the script stuff but has to improve on the off script stuff. Hopefully the OL stays healthy so he doesn’t have to improvise to much, looks like WRs shouldn’t be a concern next season as long as Hill and Waddle stay healthy. Little concerned for both to be there at seasons end with both being smallish, Waddle being nicked up and not being built like Hill and with Hill it’s simply age but I think he’s a different specimen.
I think there are plays designed to go to one player, like tunnel screens and bubble screens, that don't necessarily involve a full progression. Typically these will be audibled presnap if it looks like disaster is going to happen, or a throwaway/busted play if something develops post-snap that looks precarious. In most occasions, you aren't throwing to a specific player, but there are some exceptions. If Tyreek is going against an unproven corner on a deep route with no safety over the top as an extreme example - this might be an instance where you say screw the progression I'm just going to throw it right away to Tyreek. There are also instances where key players on the offensive side of the ball, namely quarterback, receiver, and head coach, can predict a certain coverage to take advantage of. This is usually discussed in an official or injury timeout. I believe there is a bit more processing, post-snap, in an example like this but you could extrapolate that to "throwing it to THIS guy on THIS play" if you wanted it to. But like I said in my original post, none of these occasions are specifically unique to the Dolphins. You'd have to go through the specific philosophies and goals of McDaniel's offense to really have a discussion about differences from team to team.
Even a screen will typically have an outlet if the defense reads it and jumps the receiver, but yes, sometimes the receiver in a screen is the only option. But that’s not what we are really talking about here. Dolphin25 thinks that McD calls in a play and says “Throw it to Tyreek” and Tua takes the snap, raises up and just throws it to Tyreek no matter the situation. That just doesn’t happen. As you eluded to, and as I wrote previously, there is always a number #1 receiver. If the pre-snap read shows that this receiver will be open the QB may decide after the read and before the snap, that he’s going to throw there. Sometimes the defense does really well is disguising their intentions and the play doesn’t work. But even then, McD isn’t just telling Tua to throw it to receiver X. McD, like all play callers, may say, “Looks like if we call this play, based on how the defense has been playing, Waddle may be open, so look for him.” That’s way different than Tua being told whom to throw to. All teams do what we are discussing. No one does what Dolphin25 is saying.
To be able to make his drop, set up, release and throw accurately he’s the fastest and most accurate.. this is not debatable You’re saying he’s going to his first read only that’s a different debate, I’m saying even if it is his first read there isn’t anyone faster or more accurate when it comes to execution. He led the league in passing with those two traits
That’s not what he’s saying. He said that McD tells him who to throw in to and he just throws it to them regardless of anything else.
NEWS FLASH: The quick release pass offensive strategy has failed against the team's best defenses. So, I am not sure why so many participants here seem to believe the Dolphins should keep doing what has not been working. Remember, the goal should be to win playoff games and Super Bowls, not just accumulate irrelevant statistics.
Yes. QB’s who leads the league, or are close to the lead, in most passing stats only hurt a team’s chances for success. What a stupid ****ing post. Lmao
There are several forums dedicated to Fantasy Football (individual player statistics) discussion. I suggest you visit one or two of them because it is there you will find others like yourself who prioritize player stats more than team wins.
right, it is not bad, but people saying he is processing crazy fast and throwing is not accurate. It does show how amazing coach is at designing plays. Not sure how many offenses are saying throw it to receiver 1, many many QB's could be fast doing that.
How can a play be "scripted" but, simultaneously, also have options? Aren't all offensive plays "scripted" going by that set of parameters?
There are plenty of teams that have plays in their playbooks that are built on a one-step or three-step drop, get it to this receiver, type plays. That's a modern NFL offense, as they integrate more and more of the college game on Sundays.
Dude actually believes that McD tells Tua to just throw to WR X and Tua doesn’t do anything except take the snap, rise up, and throw it to WR X. Like when a little league baseball coach tells his stage frightened player to just swing at the next pitch no matter what. Lol
So I suppose you don’t think his speed from start to finish, gage speed and distance and be accurate is a hi level skill set?
I think people ignore Tua's action, in general, when they evaluate him and I think McDaniel harnesses this, a lot, in his play designs with Tua at the helm. He is really good at play fakes/ball handling, and has good, if not great, mechanics in general. You see this bare out in plays like the underhanded shovel pass to Achane in the Denver game. The defense was pretty fooled on that one. You would like to see him preserve his mechanics while there is chaos happening at his feet around him. He can grow there. He also has a great flick release, despite average arm strength, that helps mitigate. When he picks a target, the ball comes out fast.
I know that I am going to be asking A LOT here, but would those who truly believe Tua is just a 1 read quarterback PLEASE watch this video? Many plays here in which Tua extends the play and progresses from his 1st read to his 2nd and to his 3rd. That’s all I’m asking for gentlemen…just watch the video.
I think the biggest issue is some people still believe wins and losses are individual stats. The other issue, as I’ve said repeatedly, is not taking into context anything that happens. Wins and losses are team accomplishments. It’s true that that some individual players will play well in a loss. It’s also true that a muffed punt, fumble, or INT in the waning seconds of a game that leads to a loss is maybe on the player who made the mistake a bigger factor in that loss. Some here want to attribute the Dolphins losses to Tua without looking at any of the context or the reality of what happened in the game. They say it repeatedly, “Tua hasn’t won a playoff game”… that’s just ignorant and shortsighted. Tua has lead all QB’s in multiple stats the last two seasons and was a legit MVP candidate on top of that. How is a top player held responsible for team failures? The next issue is the “the Dolphins didn’t beat good teams last year” mantra. Well, the Bills beat the Dolphins. The Dolphins beat the Jets and Pats. The Jets and Pats beat the Bills. The Chiefs lost to Denver. Miami stomped Denver. This asinine and circular logic of “who did they beat” is beyond me. These are all NFL teams. Good teams beat bad teams. Bad teams beat good teams. Good teams beat good teams. Bad teams beat bad teams. In short, Tua is a very good QB who needs, and can, improve on some things. What player can’t improve? And when a QB is at the top in most measurable we shouldn’t be talking about trading them. And these are people who bash Tua now, bashed Tua before he even played a down. They’re choosing to die on a hill rather than admit they were wrong.
I don’t recall anyone saying any of this stuff on this site. As long as you keep posting like you do we will continue to check you, that’s your life on this site. Learn a different way to criticize and communicate, those are your problems. You will not win
Who cares if you don't recall it? It's the truth and he knows it. Who the bleep are you to "check me"? Lol!! Seriously? Omg.That's scary. You keep saying stuff like this and it's truly bizarre. You guys have become really bad. I don't care what kind of incoherent, nonsensical BS you want to spew, if this site becomes just you clowns babbling this utter nonsense, there will be no site. Mark my words. It's already dying a slow death. Check that. It's you all. Dude, you are so transparent. After the last game of the season and the playoff lost, you saw how terrible Tua played. Instead of just speaking your true feelings and admitting that he was just plain bad, you had to obfuscate it by saying he was out of shape. You just went on and on and on about how undisciplined and out of shape he was, etc, etc, etc. So much so that your own clown posse was getting annoyed with you. So, is he is now the "art form" again or is he still the chubby, undisciplined guy? Go check yourself. lol
this site will thrive once the few who don’t know how to communicate their criticism are gone. Nothing wrong with this site but the obvious I’ve been very transparent about Tua and maybe because I don’t just **** on him its why you’re confused, I actually criticize and am honest about those criticisms, and I also see the great parts of why he turned into the leagues passing leader, and also acknowledge the points of his game that I want to see him work on. Where I stand on the player so you don’t put false things out there on my behalf Absolutely holding him accountable for losing himself and and allowing himself to get out of playing condition during the final quarter of the season when we were in a great position to do something, that lack of discipline showed up in his game imo and I’ve never come off that opinion Now you’re so obvious you want me to stop there and continue to just **** on him. But no, I recognize the accomplishments and skill set and what he needs to do better to reach his potential, will he do it? We shall see, if he doesn’t then I’ll be right here holding him as accountable as a fan can on a message board. You need to share your opinion about the team and its players in a different fashion imo. Take a different persoective stop being so entitled, be grateful you have a team to root for..show some respect in your words for the players while you criticize, show respect for the people on the board with how you convey your opinion All my opinion..or don’t and piss off
This site has basically turned into a war zone between the homers and the realists. We all know where each stands, but it is obvious one side wants to stamp out any dissenting opinion, which defeats the whole purpose of having a forum. If you want an echo chamber go create your own little subforum for homers only, or run along to "the club"
a forum is not just a place for you to spew an opinion any way you like. Keep doing what you’re doing we ain’t going anywhere I know a lot of how you call them dolphin realists who know how to talk, analyze, and show respect
Anyone who talks **** about the site itself should be banned Get off the site if you think it’s so bad
Post football stuff. ALL OF YOU. Stop bickering at each other. Geez people grow the F up. Talk football.
not really no. I think he is the only one being asked to do it the way the Dolphins do. His % of pass completions is nice, but Browning, Prescott, Cousins, are all higher then his, yet I don't think anyone would call them elite. Carr is right behind him in % completion %.
yes, that is true, but not as much as the Dolphins do. I see many QB's scan the field and throw to other receivers instead.
When certain posters are corroborating their beliefs and opinions with statistical facts, and other posters are espousing their gut feelings without much empirical evidence to support them, discussion dies.
