What is it about Grier that keeps him calling the shots for the Dolphins.

If we don’t win a playoff game next season, he should be gone, this article makes that seem unlikely though…

 

Unfortunately, and to an extent he can legitimately say, “it’s not my fault”.

I’ve been critical of Grier. During his tenure as GM, we were treading the waters of mediocrity. Gase, Flores…poor draft picks such as Igninoghene…juggling the cap like a circus clown. Exhausting!

But the past 2 seasons under McDaniel, the Dolphins have produced one of the more prolific offenses the team, nor the league hasn’t seen in some years. Grier can take credit for that and deservedly so but that first elusive playoff win hangs around Grier’s neck like a yolk. Is it Grier’s fault? McDaniel’s? The players themselves? Or a series of just plain rotten luck?

It’s difficult to point to THE problem but the one thing that has been consistent has been Grier as well as Ross.

 

Tannenbaum hired Gase for the record and was the one running the show for those years. He mostly should be judged for the years after Tannenbum got fired which still means he should be firmly on the hot seat.

Don't really get the articles point about Wilkins. They made a real effort to keep him and you can't criticize their handling of the cap (while also crediting someone else for their handling of the cap) and want them to overpay for him at the same time.

 

He had the title of GM in 2016 but worked under Tannenbaum who had actual control until he was let go and Grier promoted to head of football operations. Which doesn't mean he was blameless but in regards to "buck stops here" it was Tannenbaum who it stopped with.

We don't know what they offered or what it would have took to sign him but anything less than Raiders gave him wouldn't automatically make it a good deal.

 

They are absolutely better off now than they were then so that is just nonsense.

 

That he has some really nauseating and incriminating photos of Ross?

 

Wilkins himself said he was offered a fair market price contract by the Dolphins. He wasn't "lowballed".

 

Wilkins and his agent said that Wilkins was offered a very good and fair contract. He turned it down. I guess some think the team is the only part of a player’s contract?

One thing is for sure, if Miami had offered Wilkins nearly $30m AAV last year, and he took it, the same people crying about him leaving would be blaming Grier for overpaying him.

 

I bet most of the FO, actually all of the FO, knows what conference the Dolphins play in. Lmao

 

Yeah, if any Dolphins fan doesn’t realize that this era has been way better than the previous, there’s really no reason to converse with them.

 

I'm generally OK with Grier getting another season and draft to prove whether or not he should keep his job.

If he fails this season, hopefully Ross will look for a replacement. And hopefully that replacement has never worked with Jeff Ireland before. As crazy as it sounds, this franchise still hasn't fully purged the stench of Ireland. Grier worked with Ireland for several years while he was in Miami.

And yes, for those of you who remember how anti-Ireland I was on these boards during his tenure - I'm still going on about Ireland!

 

“Chris Grier”
“Has his head up his rear”
“He screwed the pooch”
“All that dough”
“He's got nothing to show”
“ So, it’s time to go, mofo”
“Uhh”

……sorry

 

I don’t believe Ross will be picking a new GM…period. If nothing else, I believe Ross will be selling the team and whoever the new owner will be the one that cleans house.

 

I don't like the way that Grier operates. Far too willing to give away draft picks and the roster is, IMO, absurdly top heavy. The team has been awful at drafting and developing offensive linemen the whole time he's been with the team, and has some other glaring black holes at other positions as well. I blame the fact that Grier almost exclusively promotes from within in the front office, and that his top two assistants have both been with Miami even longer than he has, despite the long, long stretch without success from the team. What exactly are they being rewarded for?

The team has also in general been really bad at drafting almost any position after the early second round, not even able to get competent backups and ST guys to fill those spots on cheap rookie contracts. Beyond the lack of picks due to them being traded away, I think that at least part of this is Grier again shooting the moon and trying to strike gold rather than play it safe with guys more likely to develop with a lower ceiling.

In the end though, Ross turns 84 years old next month, and I agree that he's not likely to fire Grier barring total disaster. My guess is that unless the team goes on a run of big success this year or next, then whoever replaces Ross likely replaces Grier.

 

Chris Grier’s kid picked Cam Smith. True .

 

Books not closed on him yet and there is reason for hope…

 

@sports24/7 wrote it perfectly in another thread. I’m paraphrasing here, but basically he wrote that this much criticism of Grier is wild considering that the Dolphins have one of the most talented rosters in the league.

Not to mention a HC and assistants that seem to be setting records each season so far and that are also beloved by their players. Miami has FA’s taking less pay to play here.
No GM is perfect, but an objective look at this team over the past 6+ years would see an improvement each season (that doesn’t mean no mistakes) and for the past two/three seasons, a perennial playoff contender with tons of young talent. It would be nice to have an Ozzie Newsome for a GM, but 31 other teams would say the same. Unrealistic expectations do nothing but set a person up for disappointment. Being realistic and objective is always a smarter way of approaching most things.
Not to mention fans, honest fans, hope for the best each season and do those things. Not saying criticism isn’t valid at times, but when that’s the only thing someone does, criticize, can they really be fans?

 

Criticisms are most certainly valid now.

 

Of course we want and need to progress and win a playoff game. Your inability to understand context and be realistic does nothing. “Taking chances” is the definition of drafting, coaching, and managing an NFL football team. A GM that collaborates with his HC is a good GM. Grier does that. Expecting the GM to only make safe choices is unrealistic and shortsighted. Expecting a GM to win a game is ignorant. The GM’s job is to find the players his HC wants. By all accounts Grier does that. Now, maybe Flores wanted Herbert, but is seems Ross wanted Tua. We don’t know how all that transpired, but Ross owns the team and if he wanted Tua then Grier has to draft Tua. We all realize that you hate Tua, fine, but at least shows valid reasons for your dislike.

Ignoring injuries, or expecting Grier to use a crystal ball to foresee injuries is just asinine. Acting as if NFL players who have been injured in the past should be ignored is stupid. If GM’s used that criteria 90% of the players we see in the NFL wouldn’t be playing.

Grier, by all objective data and facts, has been a good drafter. It seems as if you’re expecting a 100% success rate. That’s ridiculous. On one hand you cry about his drafts and then whine when his draft picks are coveted and given huge contracts that the Dolphins aren’t willing to pay. You’re playing both sides of the fence in order to stay angry.
As for the oline, you should look at their production when the majority were healthy. You’re just wrong, as usual.

My expectations aren’t too low. My common sense, ability to consider context, and realistic expectations are just things you don’t have.

 

Criticisms are always valid for all GM’e, HC’s, and players. Overreacting, hyperbole, and unattainable expectations are not.

 

That’s not what’s happening.

 

Sure

 

If that picture you’re painting is so great, how is it possible that we haven’t won a playoff game while the great Chris Grier is in charge? I mean he had all the resources + all the money to spend and we couldn’t even win ONE playoff game. He’s not trash but he’s far from great. I remember when the whole league was looking at us after the Tunsil trade and how there were good things to come. Guess what, Tunsil had his first playoff win before us and the Texans look better equipped then we do, how is that possible if Grier is da ****? He’s mediocre so far and if we don’t win a playoff game next season, he definitely should be gone, because he failed big time then.

 

This is what I mean when I say ignoring context doesn't lead to anything good.

This team is one of the most talented in the league. There's just no objective person who knows anything about football who would disagree with that.

Also, most reasonable people understand how to use context. Last year this team was on year two of having a new HC and system. They set team and league offensive records. They were missing 60% of their starters at the end of the season. Their offensive line was decimated from before mid-season. They still won 11 games. How many teams won 11 games this season?

Then they ended up playing the former SB champs who went on to win another this year. And played them in weather were the home fans lost body parts due to the weather. Ignoring this context is crazy to me. Not seeing that this team is a contender is crazy to me. Not understanding that LUCK plays a huge role in this league, and by luck I mean things that aren't really in anyone's control, is crazy to me.

 

Grier has been in charge longer then the last two seasons, no? I don’t see us being a contender when it comes to the SB and I don’t see that our team is one of the most talented in the league when it comes to next season, sorry! If that was the case we should have managed to win one playoff game since Grier is in charge, if he really would be the kind of guy you’re picturing…

 

Grier is an average GM. The biggest problem this team has faced with Grier as GM, and prior to McD getting here, is head coach. The Dolphins whiffed on Gase and Flores under Grier. Ross LOVED Gase. Was he Grier's fault? I think partly, but to put sole blame on him for that doesn't seem right to me considering Ross' love for Gase. The lack of a good QB since Marino retired goes without saying, but this league is filled with teams that struggle to find a good, long lasting QB. It's hard to find one. Just like it's hard to find a good HC. Grier, in his 4th season with full control, found a HC and QB. Belichick didn't even make the playoffs his first 3 seasons as a HC. He then lucked out with Brady. (yes luck..no one waits until the 7th round to pick a QB if they think he's going to be Tom Brady)

Grier doesn't coach, he doesn't play. He picks the right players for the HC. He seems to have the right players for the right HC.

 

That‘s what I wrote he‘s mediocre and you don’t stick with mediocre if you want to win a SB one day. So, if we don’t manage to win a playoff game next season, it should be good bye Grier, he had more then enough time and has nothing to show for and don’t give me we went to the playoffs twice…

 

Pretty shallow way of deciding on what makes a GM worth keeping or not. Belichick was a horrible GM and won 6 SB’s (took him 4 seasons to even make the playoffs) Jerry Jones sucks and he’s won 3 (took him 4 years to make the playoffs) Elway sucks and went to two while winning one (finished his career with 5 straight losing seasons in Denver) Les Snead started out with 6 straight losing seasons and no playoff wins in his first 7 until he made it to 2 SB’s while winning one. The overwhelming majority of playoff and SB winning GM’s took more than 4 years to do anything.

 

Ignoring context yourself and changing subjects again, it’s really tiring with you.

 

lmao..Cry harder. Just because you don't understand what you're reading doesn't make it ignorant. You're inability to be reasonable is what's ignorant. There was no subject change. WTF are you even crying about? Your stance is that Grier hasn't won a playoff game while you ignore everything and anything else that also matters when it comes to winning playoff games. Then, when you're given examples of other highly successful, even Super Bowl winning, GM's that took much longer and did much worse in their beginnings you cry harder and get angry.

I understand that Madden has clouded the judgement of a lot of people, but Madden isn't real life. Hindsight is nice, but using that in order to claim superiority is what's ignorant. Using "WiN a pLayOfF gaMe" as a mantra for what's a good GM or not, while ignoring everything else involved in winning a playoff game, is ignorant.

 

Whatever, sure, you’re right and we’re back to insults again! You’re the best, most knowledgeable poster, human being and football god on here and really it’s not your fault.

Edit: Oh, and lie harder. Lol

 

Lie? Lmao

It seems you think Grier is average. So do I. What you’re failing to realize, however, is that the overwhelming majority of Super Bowl winning teams have average GM’s. And even those with fantastic GM’s don’t win SB’s very often…if ever. Blaming a GM on a team that’s very talented and well coached for not winning a playoff game is plain dumb. Ignoring all other reasons and context is plain dumb.
Grier has assembled one of the most talented teams in the NFL, you disagree, but you’d be hard pressed to find anyone that’s not posting in the mains to agree with you.

 

Yes lie, you’re claiming I‘m not putting anything into context and don’t see the injuries and what not. I do, I just have different views on that topic only thing that comes into your mind is belittling and insulting people who don’t share your overly optimistic views. You won’t find many people, who don’t think Grier should be on the hot seat for next season if they don’t win a playoff game.

One of the most talented teams in the NFL you say, that’s like top 5, right? I would be shocked, if people on here think that the Dolphins are top 5 team
in the NFL atm.