Cap set for 2024: 255.4m

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  1. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    Huge break for the Dolphins (and others).
    Peace be upon you, Taylor Swift
     
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  2. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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  3. OwesOwn614

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    This makes it easier to keep our core together. But it makes it much more difficult to add pieces via free agency.
     
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  4. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Not really. Watch the video I posted, it’s about 11 minutes. With the cuts he outlines, we could be about $30 million under the cap, if not more.
     
  5. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    There’s actually a legit way, before signing Wilkins, CW, or AVG, that the Dolphins could be around $80m under the cap. Of course signing those three would lower that number, but there’s plenty to keep them, sign FA’s, and pay the rookies.
     
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  6. texanphinatic

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    I think he means it will give other teams a leg up to retain guys they want to retain. AKA, less free agent supply. The Chiefs, for instance, were going to have a very hard time retaining both Snead and Jones. Now they have a shot. We might have money, but not much to spend it on.

    I will be interested to see if maybe this gets teams to be more open to trading though. Maybe some pricey non-free agents get dealt.

    I've seen people talk about the Swift effect as well as increasing in streaming ... but the real answer here is gambling. Have fun guys, but be careful.
     
  7. OwesOwn614

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    Absolutely. The market price for players will go up thanks to more interest.
     
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  9. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    Impossible! We can’t sign players. We are too far over the cap. We will field 11 players and
    they will have to play both ways.

    Or so I’ve heard from some here. Lol
     
  10. DPhinz_Dphinz

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  11. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    It’s simple math.

    Restructuring Chubb, Tyreek, and Ramsey could save ~$50m. Extending Tua could save ~$18m. Cutting Ogbah, X, and Baker could save ~$23m. That alone, without the cap increase, puts the Dolphins around $40m in the black. The cap increase is $30m. That’s around $70m in the black. There are many other options to get even more cap space.

    This has been explained here multiple times and it’s all over the internet with a simple Google search.
     
  12. DPhinz_Dphinz

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    I restructured everyone and their cousin...released Baker and X (pre 6/1), and came up with $34 million in the black.

    This is not including that the roster went down to 42 as opposed to 53...let's say 48 because the 6 draft picks ($7.2 million - $27 million) should be factored into that.

    My math must be off. Can you show me what you are talking about? I don't want to do a Google search. I'd like to you take the Spotrac app and walk me through it like I was 5.
     
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  13. danmarino

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    Want in one hand and crap in the other…

    I’ll do you a little solid and explain a few things for you. That nearly $80m is before any resigning of current players (Like Wilkins and AVG, for example) or signing rookies. However, $80m will be enough to do that if the Dolphins want to pay guys like Wilkins and AVG.

    And, either your math is off or you don’t know how to restructure an NFL contract. It also seems you’re not factoring in the fact that the cap went up $30m.

    Not to mention there’s an extra $75m that can go towards performance based pay.
     
  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Sportrac app isn't good enough. You could do it at Overthecap.
     
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  15. The_Dark_Knight

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    When it comes to contracts, and restructuring them, there are way too many variables for the layman like you and me to be able to take into account.

    How long is the contract for?
    How much total is it for?
    How much of it is guaranteed?
    How much of it is a signing bonus?
    How much is paid each year?
    Are there any incentives?

    And these are just variables that immediately come to mind. I’m quite certain there are many others.

    We’ve released Ogbah and Howard will be a post June 1st cut. In total between the 2 of them, that’s a $30 million savings instantly.

    Expect Baker to get cut. $13 million
    Expect Mike White to get cut. $3 1/2 million
    Expect Chubb and Ramsey’s contracts to be restructured.
    Expect Tua to be signed to a long term deal.

    There’s many ways to manipulate the cap to free up money to keep and sign players we want. The sky is far from falling.
     
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  16. StaleTacos

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    Something something cap isn't real. Can manipulate everything. Yadda yadda.

     
  17. danmarino

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    Trolls will try to post only negative “sources” in order to rile people up. For every “source” that says Wilkins is a goner there is one saying he’s going to be a Dolphins next year. So why only post the negatives?


    “Even though the Dolphins are still an estimated $28.5 million over the 2024 salary cap, Grier said the team has the necessary resources to either sign Wilkins to a long-term deal (at perhaps $20+ million per year) or use the franchise tag on him ($22.1 million in 2024 base salary).

    Wilkins has repeatedly said that he wants to remain a Dolphin, and it was telling that he participated in last week’s cycling challenge for cancer research even though his contract was set to expire.

    “We had had conversations, and we were close on a deal last offseason, and it didn’t come together,” Grier said.”

    https://www.profootballnetwork.com/miami-dolphins-christian-wilkins-contract-update-feb-28-2024/
     
  18. StaleTacos

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    LOL @ negative sources. It's the biggest insider in the sport and literally everyone is saying it.

    You just did the equivalent of posting a week old article about how the Titanic is a strong ship the day after it sunk.

    Here's is Beasley's current article:

    "ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler and Dan Graziano reported the following Sunday:

    “Several league sources expect #Dolphins’ Christian Wilkins to avoid franchise tag. Miami source says keeping options open, but teams bracing for star DT to hit free agency. ”

    They also suggested that the Houston Texans and Cleveland Browns would be among the teams in the mix for Wilkins’ services if he avoids the tag and is allowed to hit the market.

    The Dolphins have until Tuesday to decide whether they want to tag Wilkins. After that, they have his exclusive negotiating rights for another five days before the legal tampering window opens.

    If not tagged or re-signed, Wilkins would be free to sign with whomever he wants at 4 p.m. on March 13, when the league year turns over. Spotrac estimates his market value for a long-term deal is $20.2 million annually."

    https://www.profootballnetwork.com/is-this-christian-wilkins-last-week-with-miami-dolphins/

    This isn't fantasy football. Your take on the cap is cute, but bad cap situations result in loss of talent and difficult decisions in the real world. Looks like Wilkins might be a casualty because there's absolutely zero good football reason not to at least franchise or transition tag him.
     
  19. Fishhead

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    Looks like the tag may not be in play:

     
  20. The_Dark_Knight

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    When you or anyone else starts a post like this, you’re not looking to post information and have a discussion, you’re looking to pick a fight. I’d appreciate it if you and the others that do would just knock it off.

    Wilkins is going to garner a big payday. There’s no doubt about that. He’s a beast on the DL and has proven he’s one of the best in the league.

    I like so many others hope the Dolphins retain him. We CAN do it. It is financially and reasonably possible. Although the Dolphins are in the 2nd worst cap situation, we’re also in the best situation when it comes to contract restructuring. Some of this is going to come down to Wilkins’ teammates as well as Christian himself.

    If we do lose Wilkins however, I certainly hope Grier is able to make a worthwhile trade out of it. I can truly see Wilkins being worth a 1st and at least a 3rd round pick if we decide to tag and trade him.
     
  21. pumpdogs

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    Not sure how we let him walk.We only have Seiler left.
     
  22. The_Dark_Knight

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    Good take on Wilkins about midway through the video.
     
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  23. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    If the Dolphins want to sign Wilkins they can and will. If they think he’s asking too much, they won’t. The cap isn’t some trade secret. The info is there. It’s addition and subtraction. The only unknowns are how long a restructure will be and how much the bonus will be. However, we can use past examples to make an educated guess.
     
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  24. danmarino

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    The Dolphins have plenty of money to either keep him or go after someone else. Maybe Wilkins doesn’t fit Weaver’s scheme? What if Wilkins wants a new DT contract that sets an NFL record?

    If he leaves we won’t have “only” Sieler for very long.
     
  25. pumpdogs

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    At the very least franchise him and get some compensation if he isn't a fit.
    Don't think they will get a first if he wants to break the market but we need to get something.
     
  26. StaleTacos

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    Well it would be good if people who have voiced concerns about the salary cap weren't treated like morons because they did. All these problems can't just be restructured away, and to say the salary cap isn't real is nonsense.

    To franchise tag him, you need to cut 31m+ to get under the cap and then need to cut another 22m to fit his franchise tag number, AND that all needs to be done by March 13th. So their cap situation has handcuffed their decision making.

    Of course they can retain him. I imagine they'll get a shot at him once he goes into the market. However, I don't see the Dolphins swimming in those waters with so many other holes. It's a real possibility he walks and we don't get proper compensation because of where our salary cap is.
     
  27. TheHighExhaulted

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    That article also says " Miami is keeping all options open" in regards to Wilkins. So yes, they can still sign him and have the ability to. But, if he wants to try to reset the market elsewhere than Miami should let him.

    They will get a compensation draft pick for him next year if he goes.
     
  28. StaleTacos

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    They can't franchise tag because of their cap situation. Be really difficult to get under for his tag number by March 13.
     
  29. danmarino

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    Tag and trade would be ideal if he’s looking for more than the Dolphins are willing to pay, but will other teams pay him that? If we tag him, and no one is willing to pay him the kind of money he reportedly wants, then the Dolphins basically screw themselves because they could have signed him for less than the tag. I honestly love Wilkins, but I don’t think he’s an Aaron Donald in his prime type of DT. I think Wilkins is overvaluing what he can actually get paid. It seems Grier, with his “he’s earned a FA look around” is trying to keep Wilkins happy, but also thinks Wilkins will realize that no team will pay him record money. I mean, maybe they will, but the Dolphins won’t be that team. And if Wilkins gets the chance to hit FA, realizes that no one will pay what he wants, then he can sign here, be happy, and get back to work.
     
  30. pumpdogs

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    Nobody is Aaron Donald but it's hard to.lose a really good homegrown talent like him.I would prefer to keep him but noway want risk getting nothing for him.I would franchise him because the NFL always has a team that will over pay.
     
  31. danmarino

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    Lies
     
  32. danmarino

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    With the info we have, I’d tag him, too. And the Dolphins still may. But, I’m assuming the Dolphins have had contact with some teams regarding Wilkins and maybe they aren’t offering nearly what Wilkins wants.
    Every move is going to come with a risk. I love Wilkins, but setting a new bar for a DT contract may just be more than the Dolphins are willing to pay.
     
  33. danmarino

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    It would also be good if those who talk about the cap actually know what they’re talking about.

    When the Dolphins end up between $50m-$80m under the cap will you eat your crow or just disappear for a few weeks/months per your MO?
     
  34. danmarino

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    Also, the player is 50% of the reason for returning or leaving. Hell, in this instance they are 99% of the reason. If Wilkins wants to be here he will be here. If Wilkins wants a ridiculous contract, and some other team will pay that, he won’t be here.

    The cap plays very little in this situation with Wilkins.
     
  35. pumpdogs

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    I don't get why he would want to leave.South flordia,no state taxes,and his close friendship with Seiler!I would sacrifice a few million to be happy but that's just me.
     
  36. danmarino

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    I agree. But if the Dolphins are offering, say, $5+m per season less than someone else he may take the money. Evidently he’s extremely frugal and is all about the money. Which is surprising because he seems to be a great teammate and cares about the game. Maybe a person can be all three?
     
  37. Springveldt

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    They can if they want to, key word being "want".

    Also, the guy on reddit who is big on the cap put up a new post and highlights how the Dolphins could easily afford Wilkins if they want to. If they let him walk it's because they don't want to pay that kind of money for him, not because they can't pay it.



    Personally I wouldn't be surprised if they moved on from him and went after someone like DJ Reader or even DaQuan Jones instead as Baltimore defences usually have a big NT like person on the line and neither Sieler or Wilkins are that.
     
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  38. JJ_79

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    Taylor Swift helped Grier and the Dolphins a lot with the cap increase being as high as it is. When it comes to Wilkins, Grier already said that he earned his right to test free agency. I don’t think they will tag him, cause they need help from players and agents to do something this year, with our cap being as it is now. I think Poupart and Kelly got a good point there.

     
  39. danmarino

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    Those crying about the cap won’t read a word of this. Or they will read it and ignore it because it proves how wrong and uninformed they are.
     
  40. StaleTacos

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    Your understanding is so basic. They need to cut 55m in 10 days. It's not necessarily about where they end up.
     

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