I think the problem is on top of not having an elite QB, and really debatable on tier 2 based on his play against playoff teams, is we don’t have an elite team that can make a run in the playoffs. This team is closer to a rebuild than a championship and that all falls on Grier.
A big reason for their wins are, that Love and Stroud had great games! How many times did Tua play great against good competition, with a team that was a Super Bowl contender before the season?! Unlike the Texans and Packers. I‘ll ask you again, who said Tua sucks?! Most of the people here think he’s a decent QB (some even think he’s elite LOL) but maybe not good enough. You really remind me of the woke crowd, who scream far right, even though it ain’t, just so it fits their narrative LOL.
I couldn’t disagree with you more. When healthy, the team is top tier. I would not put them up there with the Ravens or 49ers, but no other team, currently, is on that level. The Dolphins are plenty good enough to go far into the playoffs and are on the same level, talent wise, as many of the other top NFL teams. I know some like to think talking about injuries are excuses, but there’s a point where injuries just become too great to overcome. When a team needs to pull in 4 players off the couch in order to field a team, it’s hard to win. Much less win in the postseason. Hell, Deebo going out of last nights game really hamstrung the 49ers offense. That’s just one guy. Now, this isn’t saying that the Dolphins aren’t missing pieces, they are. Oline, LB, and CB are big needs.
What was the Niners' record this year when Trent and Deebo were both out for 3 games? 0-3. Detroit had a period where they were missing 2-3 OL and went like 1-2. We lost basically our entire OL for a good period of time. We lost our entire DE group. X was his typically injured self. Mostert and Waddle missed games and were limited upon return. Even Tyreek was clearly not 100% doing things like dropping balls and not getting the big plays we were accustomed to. The idea that we are closer to a total rebuild than a playoff win is absurd. We were literally 3 minutes away (TN game) from a divisional championship and two playoff home games at minimum. That's not even remotely close to a rebuild.
Packers went 2-3 against playoff teams. They lost 5 games to teams under .500. They were really healthy all year long. They went 9-8 on the season. Lost to a bunch of bad teams. They beat the Cowboys in the playoffs. (Dolphins beat the Cowboys) Lost to the 49ers. The Texans went 2-2 against playoff teams this year. Won their division with 10 wins. Beat the Browns in Houston. Got smashed by the Ravens. (Which was their second time losing to the Ravens this year)
Just try to answer my questions, is it that hard for you?! Telling people to stop deflecting and doing it himself LOL!
He acts like an entitled diva. Watch him on the sidelines. They fawn over him. He acts like a smug arrogant person. I don’t know him personally so I’m just goin by what I see happening at the games.
If you don't have an elite QB, then you need an even better team assembled. That's a fact. You're being disingenuous in your argument.
I kind of think the opposite. I find him hilarious in interviews and very genuine. Praises other players. He always talks hood AF and I love it.
Based on what? He beat him in almost ever single category this year except for interceptions. And that’s the ONE category you don’t want to win.
Potential and he did what Tua couldn’t in his first season. If you compare stats shouldn’t you take Tuas rookie stats to compare them to Stroud? Or doesn’t that matter? (I know that would be unfair also, cause of the hip injury Tua had) Thing is, I don’t understand how people can’t be concerned after last season. I know we had bad injury luck but fact is part of that is due to how Grier build this roster. We went all in this year and can’t even show a playoff win for it. Heck, we looked better last year and that was without Tua. Our cap doesn’t look good and it’s not like we’re having a load of draft picks. Tua has more questions going into next season then before imo. Wish he would be it but after this year, I don’t think he is, at least for the long run. Then there’s Grier, he had all the resources, it looks like he fumbled and that doesn’t give me much hope for the future. I know we‘re going to run it back next year but I wouldn’t extend Tua unless you‘re giving him an offer like the one you did with Wilkins last year and see what happens next season. Not sure, if I even wanted that because if we blow next season, it’s time for another clean up and Grier should be the first to go.
I pulled that chart for this year because it was already on a website and it was apples to apples comparison. Grier has had a lot of misses it seems. I can’t remember when we’ve won 11 games in a year. Each year McD has been here the team has won more and gotten to the playoffs. Tua played better than last year and didn’t get hurt. He didn’t in the playoffs so using your potential stick theres a lot to be excited about too. I’m not the glass half empty kind of person. So I look at it differently than some.
The eyeball test, get with it dude. He can run around and make a play. He beat a banged up Cleveland in a dome, he must be great. Also failed to score a single TD against the Ravens in 2 attempts but we will ignore that.
It’s not really apples and apples, cause it was his first season and he played on the weaker team. For me Tuas only real concern was injury but after last season, I have more doubts about him, then ever before, especially because you get the „two faced“ Tua. The one early season and the one that shows up in December or against good teams… When it comes to the success, we had the last two seasons, one has to look at what we invested for that success. I mean we went all in, if we hadn’t, the outlook would be better. Let’s see what they do next year, maybe they luck into Henry somehow, still think this team won’t have enough next season.
I answered one of your questions. You're not clever enough to realize it. As for your second question, "Who thinks Tua's sucks", it's not a real question. It's obvious around here who thinks Tua sucks. "What did you expect him to say? You think he is actually going to say Tua sucks, is liable to get injured again next season, and has noodle arm? All the things he said we already knew, he just left out the bad parts of the evaluation." ---Hitman8 "Tua ****ing sucks btw. Nice guy **** nfl player" ---Berezo "Can we get this thread back on track to discussing how much Tua sucks?" ---Staletacos
Nah, you didn’t and you know it too LOL! Those comments are out of context. The @Berezo one is probably out of one of the game threads where emotions run high. The thing is I‘m pretty sure if you‘d ask them in a convo, they wouldn’t say he sucks (they probably used to think that but not anymore cause he’s no bust). But very telling that all of the mentioned are trolls to you.
Didn’t they make the playoffs? How is that a weaker team? They also played the weakest schedule based on their standings from last year.
If it’s not the weaker team talent wise, we did a lot more wrong then I thought. Don’t recall Houston being a Super Bowl contender prior the season or during it.
lol...Sure...sure...They'll say they didn't say he sucks or they'll say it was "out of context". And stupid people will believe them.
Tua doesn't suck. He just sucks against playoff caliber teams. That's what his career stats say. He's got a 84.06 passer rating, averaging 1.17 TD, and 1 INT across 22 games. Kind of a large sample at this point that he's been completely incapable of handling good competition throughout his career. This is going to be a problem moving forward. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https://i.redd.it/hcby4zj5v1dc1.jpeg
This is such a laughable post. You have one guy in his 4th year, in an offense specifically tailored for him, with some crazy weapons...and one guy is a rookie. And Tua barely "beat" him.
Claiming "4 years" is disingenuous. Tua has played objectively better in this system, a system he's been in for 2 seasons, until injuries decimated the team. And he played better than Stroud in his first season with McD. Stroud looks like the real deal...so does Tua. Both can be true. However, lets wait and see if Stroud can replicate his rookie season, as Tua has done in back-to-back seasons, before we claim he's some All Pro QB.
Another thing that Tua needs to fix is he needs to be better under pressure. This has been consistent in his career and consistent this season once again. Obviously all QBs get worse under pressure, but Tua was one of the worst in the league, ranked 35th or something. This is where I think his physical limitations come into play where he's just unable to throw well off-balance or see the field well with a defender in his face. Also, another reason he was so bad this season was his complete unwillingness to stay in there and take a hit on throws. He was hit like 29th least, and obviously that's saying something because he played a full season. On a lot of throws under pressure, he'd basically throw the ball as quickly as he could and then turn his body away from the defender. So he went self-preservation over throwing the ball better, which I don't blame him for, but it's just another hurdle for him and the team.
If Tua is going to elevate his game, he's going to have to get more mobile. Not Lamar Jackson mobile but at least Baker Mayfield mobile. He's a statue at this point.
For the people who want to extend Tua now, how much would you pay him and for how long would you sign him?
I think that when you have guys with the top speeds that we have, that makes them "crazy." You can't teach speed. Having 4.4 or 4.3 guys at several positions on offense is a significant advantage. We also didn't win the Super Bowl, and I think we are a significant ways away, so we clearly didn't have enough talent.
agree in principle except the part about being closer to a rebuild. by the end of the season, you can make that argument. But when we were healthy, we were a top 10 team (I had them ranked 9-10 range in 1st half of season). But, we are a finesse team and when the injuries starting piling up, we're just not tough enough to compensate.
whether we like it or not, the team will extend Tua and our window for winning is officially (IMO) the next couple of years. If we can't make a run with MMD and Tua, it might all be over in 3 or 4 years for another rebuild. So, I'd give him a 4 -5 year contract extension to lower his cap hit for next 2 years and backload it. I seriously doubt we are able to sign him for anything much less than what Herbert, Wilson or Hurts got. so, you're looking at 250 million contract range. all the last contracts have gone for around 50 million/year. it's the going rate, just about how much of that is guaranteed.
If you are watching this Bills v KC game, see these QBs, and think Tua is your guy. You have your head buried 10 feet in the sand.
Absolutely the worst thing we could do. Mahomes and Allen right now are showing what elite QB play actually is. They are scoring on each other at will, Tua on the other hand couldn't not do squad against either Buffalo or KC when we played them. Let him play out his 5th year and re-evaluate, or trade him if we can get something for him.
I'm not necessarily against going with the 5th year option. It is the right move. Just saying it sounds like the Dolphins are going to give him the contract extension because they believe their window is now and it will help with the cap short term. But, my point still stands, if we get rid of Tua after this season, then we will likely be doing another reboot. You can win playoff games with 2nd tier QBs (look at Goff, Mayfield, Hurts) (I'm still not sure how to judge Purdy) but ultimately, the elite QBs Mahomes, Allen and Jackson will always beat this team the way we're built right now.
