You CANNOT be considered "elite" while consistently disappearing or underperforming in big games. The stats he accrues are meaningless in that regard.
Oh I agree. I didn't say he was an elite QB, just that his sustained production is elite. Those are two different stats: sustained elite production and "big games" stats. Tua is no question elite in the first category but failed on the second, albeit with small sample size. Need to increase that sample size first though before saying Tua can't deliver when it counts. And btw.. if you look at what I've said about Tua those are the two things I said we need to see before we can call him elite. It's why I said we were getting close to that point but need to see how he plays in the playoffs first.
It doesn't matter who our QB is if we can't get home playoff games. Prime Marino wasn't leading the team to victory in -30 degrees. Step one is winning the division and getting at least the 2 seed. We were so close this year. Have to take that next step next season. Home games against the Steelers then Chiefs would have been very plausible this year. But there are very few places this team could go and win on the road in January. Its always been that way, and likely always will.
Our record is not going to be as good next season if they have to let several players go to get under the cap.
The only ones that they will let go of any consequence are Wilkins, Baker and possibly Williams imho. All the others are depth guys that are now overpaid for their contributions. I think they will re-sign Hunt and AVG. I’m confident they can find a MLB that gives what Baker was giving for much less but Wilkins and Williams are hard to replace. The good news is that there will be cap space to replace them and I’m sure Fangio will be looking for guys that fit his scheme better. On offence a centre is crucial and I’d imagine they might go tackle first in the draft, maybe someone that can play guard year 1 then shift over to LT in year 2 when Armstead is let go.
You never know what will happen. The other areas of the team could take the next step. All we ever have is hope anyways.
Or pushing an article with said anonymous execs that ends with “I don’t know if this is the best option, You have to be in the building to know, but it’s an option.” This is the epitome of throwing sh1t against the wall to see what sticks. Lol
So nearly 30% were career ending and that’s what you’re touting? Lmao Now show us the break down by age of player when injured and their successes or lack thereof.
RG 3 really wants to come out of retirement. He was lobbying hard to get the Jets to sign him when Wilson’s troubles happened.
Yeah lol. "The Dolphins should do this, even though I don't necessarily think that's the best thing to do. Who knows?" What in the hell even is that article?
AVG is gone and so is Wilkins. And don't have a 3rd or a 4th this year so I wouldn't be surprised if we trade a couple other players for picks.
He sucked when he was young. One trick pony when he could run really fast, but never a good passer. But even if he was fantastic back then, he's barely played in a decade, and started a total of 2 games after 2016.
I’ll be surprised if both are gone. I’ll be less surprised if one or the other leaves, but I’ll still be surprised. And if one goes, it will most lowly be Wilkins. There may be one or two teams willing to pay him top 3-5 money, which IMO, he’s not that high. His intangibles for the Dolphins can’t be understated, but his play is around 10th best over his entire career. I would be really sad to see him go as I think he’s great for the team and a terrific guy.
If you could get a QB to plug in with most of the rebuild still around him? Not exactly starting over from scratch. The thing is, Tua is not quite good enough. IF your QB isn't GOOD ENOUGH than you can forget about anything but one-and-done in the playoffs -at best. The only thing that could salvage Tua at QB would be a dominant OL, but there is neither the money or the draft picks to pull that off. Grier had his shot and all those picks, all that money, is gone. So, Miami must find a QB in the later rounds or sign a guy to develop under McDaniel. I think Mike got Tua to play his best (despite limitations) so the question is: 'Could he do that with another QB?'
I think back to Jay Fiedler and the teams he played on. If Miami had managed to upgrade at QB instead of accepting that Fielder was 'good enough' then a couple of those teams could have at least had some deep playoff runs. I mean, the Ricky years were wasted thanks to the limitations at QB. In other words? Try to replace Tua at QB while upgrading the OL (with the money you don't give to him with an extension) and hope you can win with the good players Miami has under contract for the next couple years. It will probably be a failed effort, but sticking with Tua is wasting all the money and extra picks over the last several year BEFORE you rebuild from the ground up once again.
I want to keep Tua, but he's not elite. There's really only 3 elite QBs in the NFL, then you have a sizeable bin of QBs in the 2nd bin. Tua is in that 2nd bin, but like all those QBs, they need a stronger supporting cast and are unlikely to be able to carry their teams, especially against playoff caliber teams. But, we're not in any shape to upgrade the QB, nothing close to draft capital and elite QBs don't hit the open market. So, our odds of winning are better by continuing to build our defense and upgrade the OL. We need to cut bait with guys not pulling their weight anymore (X Howard) or overpaid guys (C Wilson, Ogbah). and only way to balance the salary cap it to hit home runs with our early picks
Up until this season, Lamar Jackson went “one and done” in 75% of his playoff games. He has won exactly 1 playoff game. I guess he’s not good enough? In reality, TEAMS win playoff games and judging wins and losses off of one player is shortsighted.
Always has been. Works in the opposite direction as well. Guys get far too much credit for team accomplishments.
Lamar is questionable until he at least gets his team to a Super Bowl, but he DID win a playoff game and got his team to the #1 seed in the AFC this year. Tangible accomplishments with the promise of more, along with rare physical gifts, is why the Ravens gave him the big contract. You need a good-great QB to win a Super Bowl or even for playoff success. The lesser the QB, the more the team around him as to be that much better to even compete. Tua is good, but too limited, and the team around him has peaked with the 2023 season. Miami can ride this Tua train until it runs off the rails, or try and fix the QB issue before another rebuild is started. To me, peaking as a failed playoff team with a winning record is not good enough and I'd rather they try to be a GREAT team that could actually win something.
So a QB is only good to great if they win a SB? You realize who’s the best player to ever play for the Dolphins, right? Once again, it takes a TEAM to win a game. It takes a really good to great team to win a Super Bowl. Basing Lamar Jackson’s production on team accomplishments is just foolish. LJ is clearly talented enough to win a Super Bowl.
I don't see any way Wilkins is leaving this year unless someone trades a bounty after we tag him, cause we would absolutely tag him. There is no way we let him just walk. He and Hunt are the priority IMO, probably with AVG being a distant third and primarily because Phillips and Chubb had catastrophic injury. Even if Phillips is back at or close to the start of the season, I highly doubt he is an impact player. Those achilles take time man. It's also a big reason to really side-eye Cousins, who is way older as well (plus I don't see Minny letting him walk). Yes and he just won playoff game #2 of his entire career - one of the biggest knocks on him is that he wasn't a playoff winner and just put up great regular season stats.
I didn't say a QB had to win a Super Bowl to be great. I think Burrow is great, even with a SB loss, but injuries might limit his career and the chance to get the Bengals back to a Super Bowl. In fact, I think the best SB window for the Bengals has now closed, but they'll still have a chance most years Burrow is healthy. As I type this, Lamar and the Ravens are going to win. Has Lamar improved as a playoff QB? Yes, but if he face-plants next week, is he still the MVP and a great QB? Probably? I'd continue to have concerns if he struggled in the AFC Championship game. IF the Ravens get to the Super Bowl, even with a loss there, I think Lamar would be fully confirmed as a great QB. That might not be fair either, you could point to the body of QB play for Lamar and say that he has earned great status as of RIGHT NOW. Dan earned elite with his 1984 season. So, to sum it up? Your margin of error for playoff wins and Super Bowls depends on how good your QB is. Tua would need an Alabama level NFL team to get him to a SB, but instead he got a marginal playoff team in 2023 with little prospect for improving that team in 2024. In fact, Miami will probably be a lesser team in 2024, unless Grier has an amazing draft and nearly every free agent signing is a win. Going forward, Grier will sell the idea that Tua can improve. He could (some) with a better OL, but I don't see any realistic way to fix that group for 2024, so McDaniel will be limited in how he runs the offense and teams will get even better at defending it/Miami.
I don't see us as having "little prospect for improving" at all. It's certainly possible that we don't, but not at all unreasonable to think we can. McDaniel as a second year coach has a great amount of potential improvement in many facets. The injuries we suffered were incredible - and maybe we have equally bad luck again - but it's more likely we regress to the mean. Fixing the OL is hardly impossible, the Chiefs are a recent example of a team that replaced, what, all 5 guys in one season and then won the Super Bowl? We will shop for some free agents and we have a draft. Yes, we need some big hits. Our first and second rounder need to both play next year, and at a respectably high level. But the core of the team is solid, we have had back to back playoff seasons, that's not nothing in this league, and that's despite last year not having our QB for the stretch and this year having an absurd amount of key injuries. Improvement in multiple sectors is possible.
Oh, BTW, how did that infinitely better than Tua QB (CJ Stroud) do against the Ravens? How did Jordan Love do against the 49ers? It’s almost like a good QB won’t always play well against elite defenses. Nah, that can’t be it. Tua just sucks.
Well, both of them got a playoff win and their franchises didn’t go all in and have cap problems like we do and who said Tua sucks? Those Tuaneers, LOL!
Yes, you either have a unquestionable top QB to win super bowls, OR you surround an ok QB with crazy talent.
This is just a ridiculous post. If you would not straight up trade Tua for Stroud, I want whatever crack you're getting.
So both teams won a playoff game? Why? Don’t be obtuse. As if there aren’t several people here who think Tua sucks.
So how many SB’s did Marino win? How about Rodgers? I mean, Rodgers is elite and has failed way more than succeeded in the postseason. Why? How is that possible? When Brady was playing with top 5 defenses year in and year out, was it him or the team winning SB’s? I mean, when Brady played with a below average defense he either didn’t make the playoffs or went one and done in the playoffs. In reality, you need a damn good team to win a SB. An elite QB helps, but so does an elite RB or DT or LBer or DB or DE… etc etc, but having just one of them surrounded by clowns (or injured players) isn’t going to win a SB.
