Tua...''He's the greatest prospect ever''

No, I don't think Allen deserves the MVP, but I also don't think he is a bum like some want to make it seem. Even this year I believe Mahomes is 3rd in turnovers with only a 2 difference in Allen. I believe most would take Mahomes.

 

I'd go with Lamar esp after the way he played against is.

A fumble is only counted if lost correct? so the play you mentioned would not be a fumble turnover.

 

Correct. My point was even when a fumble ends up as a turnover it's still sometimes attributed to the wrong guy.

For example, in one of our goal line plays this year, the game Williams got hurt (I think) Eich comes in and on his first snap doesn't get it off to Tua. The ball hits the ground (fumble is blamed on Tua) Tua somehow manages to get it back, briefly, before he's immediately hit, fumbles it there and the defense got it. Tua was attributed with 2 fumbles 1 of which was a turnover.

 

I feel same on some of the interceptions too, i mean if QB throws a pass and it hits his guy in the hands and the guy bobble it into the hands of a defender is it really the QB's fault? receiver runs the wrong route and ball has already been thrown//

 

My wife watched HK with me last night and she commented that he looked chubby.

 

In what way ? Maybe he bulked up purposely to take a hit better and to avoid an Injury with more meat on his bones.
And ,I'll let you in on a little secret. He's preparing to scramble more in the post season and fight to move the chains.
You'll be pleased, I'm sure.

 

Why does it feel like with the season winding down, we're back to nitpicking and talking trash on Tua? It's going to be live around here if he has another bad game against Buffalo Sunday night.

 

Tua bulked up and trained all off season to be able to stay healthy. Mission accomplished. He's one of only a few QBs to make it all the way to the end of the season without missing a single game. Then he makes the pro bowl as the starting QB. If "letting himself go" results in an injury free pro bowl season I'll take it every year.

 

I am not sure if you meant to say this, but basically you seem to be fine with him injured on the side line just so long as he has great abs. His trainer wanted weight to protect from injury, and he complies, and has his first season with no missed games. But, you are like, he seems slow scrambling and looks heavy, all while talking about how great his in pocket footwork and movement as been all year. Your analysis is confusing.

 

I believe his diminished scrambling abilities are more tied to his hip injury than any weight gain. I can’t stress how severe of an injury he had. I wish he hadn’t played one single down his rookie season. He wasn’t ready and that ****ed with his confidence. Add Flores to that and it almost ruined the guy. Then last year he gets concussed and the media tears him apart like I’ve never seen them do with any other player. And some fans parrot that bullsh!t.
I’m not sure he will ever be the same scrambler he was pre injury no matter his weight. And I think he’s good enough to not have to be. If more weight helps him take hits better, good, keep that weight.

 

So glad we took Tua over Herbert! However, Tua isn't yet an All-Pro. He was selected to the Pro Bowl, which is pretty good, but it's not All-Pro. Just a matter of time though if we keep the core on offense intact.

 

Tua feasting on those easy defences this year...

 

Until being overweight gets him injured I'm not complaining. He made it to the playoffs without missing a single game. And the last thing I want to see is a dual threat Tua taking off to run risking injury.

 

Last year he got tossed around like a rag doll. Not this year. He moves in the pocket well and I don't really want him scrambling around trying to move the ball with his legs anyway. Play QB. Marino and Brady did just fine playing QB without trying to be a RB.

 

I read that Tua had like 4 rushing first downs, the elite QB's had like 40 each, that is a massive advantage.

 

yes, it seems like he often sees it then hesitates. Id like to see him go get it and slide quickly

 

I'm telling you man, I think it's more his hip injury than anything else. I don't think he can run like he used to. Weight gain or no weight gain.

 

It's definitely the weight. Watch some of his runs his rookie year and second season. He was juking guys out.

They ran one bootleg against Buffalo and he had tons of open field, that kind of play can be super effective for Tua, and he barely got the first down.

 

I think he ran more often back then, but he looks like the same slow and uncoordinated player rushing now as he did back then.

 

But what if those defenses were top because they played bad offenses?

IYKYK

 

I’m scratching my head here reading these last few comments.

Last season, Tua suffered 2 concussions (or 3 depending on what you count). The times Tua took off and scrambled, “everybody “ screamed at him for doing so; he had to protect himself.

This year, Tua has done the exact opposite; he’s stayed in the pocket and some of you who were critical of him taking off last year are being critical of him for not doing so this year? It boggles the mind.

Did it ever occur to anyone Tua’s been TOLD not to scramble unless it’s a guaranteed 1st down where he can get down and protect himself?

Another thing that’s being overlooked is genetics. Tua is a Samoan. Samoans, as a general rule of thumb are THICK individuals. He’s not as fat as some of you are claiming. The boy is just thick.

 

You nailed it. Why anybody on this board wants Tua to start running more is mind boggling. He led the league in passing yards and now he doesn't run enough? What the what???

 

Those who want Tua to run more are either…

Fans of “running quarterbacks”… Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Deshaun Watson

Or

Aren’t fans of the traditional “quarterback” position.

The high number of running quarterbacks in the league as of late is an anomaly.

In the 70’s, there was Fran Tarkington.

In the 80’s, there was John Elway, Randall Cunningham

In the 90’s, again Elway and Steve Young.

In the early 2000’s, there was Michael Vick.

Now there’s the current above listed quarterbacks that have added the run to their game and there are those who feel if you can’t do that, then you can’t be a winner.

History has shown that save Elway, running quarterbacks don’t have a long successful career. They’ll be great for a short period but all of that running and taking hits will catch up to them.

 

We don't want Tua to be a running quarterback. We want Tua to run the ball when there is nobody in front of him for an easy 6, 7, 8 yards and pick up a first down.

 

The NFL offenses have changed though, man. They are scheming to have mobile QBs, as it's another facet the defense has to account for. It ain't going away.

 

Now he’s a chubby “Art Form”.

He’s like a Fernando Botero painting.