If.we.lose.to the Bills and bumped in first round.

My expectations for this season were 11-5 or 12-4 and a playoff win. I figured a +2 or +3 in the win column was extremely plausible and after we nearly beat a healthy Bills team in their stadium, while we had a 3rd string rookie QB and a decimated defense, a playoff win was likely. When we started playing so well early on, and Tua was staying healthy, I did get feelings of a possible deep playoff run. This team/HC is still too new, IMO, and injuries are just too great for that.

Beat the Bills, get the 2nd seed and a home playoff game. Ideally, it's the Steelers coming to Hard Rock in 10 days. However, if we lose, I still think we can beat KC at home. It will be tough, but possible.

 

I can see that. I just don't care for those types of short term narratives being used to judge a season. For instance, if I knew the number of key injuries that the Dolphins would have at this point, I wouldn't have expected 11 wins, much less the possibility of 12 and an East title. Add, no major injuries to the Bills offense, and my assumption would have been them running away with the East. But, instead we get a huge Sunday night showdown.

 

Normally, I would agree, but this is not the same Chiefs team that has ruled the AFC for the last five years. The offense has been out of sync all season and if they haven’t fixed it yet, they are unlikely to do so for the playoffs.
Personally, I think it was the change in OC that is the reason for their inconsistency, but that’s just my opinion.

 

Eli Manning was 22-38 for 251 yards but did have 4TD and the interception that cost them that game.

 

The injuries worry me. that and Allen plays like superman against us.

 

I just don't see the Bills being able to beat KC twice in Arrowhead in the span of a about 5 weeks. I do think losing Bieniemey has hurt the Chiefs, but the number of game winning drops by their WR's, IMO, is the biggest culprit.

 

Our playoffs start Sunday night against Buffalo. It's simple...If we win that game, we go on a postseason run and can possibly make some noise. If we lose to them, it's a one-and-done in Arrowhead the following weekend.

 

Forgot the Jets game was in between the Ten and Dal games

 

I mean, at some point it matters.

 

No excuses. Just win, baby. Right?

 

But at what point is that? It's very interesting that it's very difficult to predict outcomes using injuries, except at QB. We're a -3 underdog right now. That translates to a 41% chance to win. Big enough that I wouldn't go around saying prior to the game that we're not winning this due to injuries. Personally I think we win. We'll see.

 

I think we will find out the point on Sunday. There are 15 of the 22 starters on the injury report as DNP/Limited while the Bills essentially have 1. If Miami somehow still manages to win on Sunday I will never mention injuries again unless Tua goes down.

-3 at home means at least -4.5 on a neutral field, right?

 

Something in that range. Home field advantage in recent years is a bit wacky. A lot less than historically, except for 2022. But yes that's approximately right.

 

Let’s see if the Super Bowl logo thing is real if so it looks like San Fran vs ravens…

 

I don’t care I don’t care it up to this organization to ensure we have talent behind starters and we don’t. I don’t want any excuses blame the coach for none head leaving all stars on when there was no chance to win.

it’s like this owner tells them winning regular season is all I care about no playoffs because I lose money

 

That obviously isn't true as they have shown to be able to survive a lot of injuries especially to the offensive line. There just obviously does become a point where you lose too many to replace and the question is whether that has happened.

 

How does any team account for 15 starters being injured? Well 15 of the current starters, some of whom were backups at the start of the season since the "real" starter is already on IR. You can't. They have ensured there is talent behind the starters otherwise we wouldn't be 11-5 with a chance to win the division and be the #2 seed. We've been playing lots of backups every week for nearly 10 weeks or so now.

Now even what were the backups on the OL but have been pushed into the starting line up are banged up. Eichenberg is playing a new position and he has been questionable for 3 of the last 4 weeks, Cotton started the season as the backups backup, is questionable and has been playing for weeks now. How can you think they don't have talent in depth if they are playing 8 backups every week and still in contention to win the division?

As I said, if they beat Buffalo on Sunday with this amount of injuries then I'll never mention injuries again unless Tua goes down.

 

Madden curse vs. Hard Knocks curse. I'm going Madden curse. We all know it's real and it's coming for Josh Allen on Sunday night.

 

We need at least some of those guys to play, and for Fangio to get his head out of his *** and put Ramsey on Diggs and tell Kohou the game is Monday night.

 

dude, some of our starters are backups to the starters that were already injured. We have 2 or 3 levels of injured backups.

 

Yeah, I was talking to my brother about that again last night. Sure does look like a strong possibility- I don't think anyone beats Baltimore.

But let's look at the flip side. If the NFL is becoming the WWE, then Baltimore will lose in a shocker to a more liked team (KC or Miami). It seems to happen every year with all the critical flags favoring one team (NE or more recently, KC). I still don't buy into the NFL potentially being rigged...but there's always hope for the playoffs this year, LOL. No idea who beats Baltimore in the next 4-6 weeks.

 

Ravens have many times looked strong in the regular season only for Jackson to crap in the playoffs. They have as much proving to do as we do when it comes to winning with their QB in the playoffs.

Check out their recent history btw:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/index.htm

10-6, 14-2 and 11-5 they make the playoffs and each time Jackson craps it up: 78.8, 63.2, 74.8 and 61.5 ratings. Still not betting on Baltimore until I see Jackson demonstrate he's a good playoff QB.

 

No Curse, just Grier's propensity for aquiring or extending injury prone players.

 

The perfect scenario would be Miami getting the #2 seed and Cleveland going to Baltimore for the upset. By the time the Ravens play their starters again it will be 3 weeks off. Hopefully they lose their momentum and come out rusty.

 

Yeah, and they lost to Cleveland earlier in the season too. But there's a good chance a whole bunch of other teams would cause Jackson trouble: KC, Buffalo and Pittsburgh all have very good defenses, and there's a good chance they can shut down Jackson. Baltimore is very likely going to have to go through 2 or 3 good defenses to win the SB. Not betting on them succeeding.

 

I see Cleveland or Pittsburgh being the only two teams that can beat Baltimore. I just think Cleveland will get past the wild card round but Pittsburgh will be a first round knockout.

 

"injury prone" players loses its meaning when you try to apply to players who have never missed a game in 2 or 3 years.

 

What a bunch of BS. Other than Armstead and Mostert, the latter who missed his first game in Miami last week and dressed in all 17 last season (he sat in week 12 though) no one else who was listed as DNP or Limited yesterday has an injury history. All players get dinged each season. Williams and Hunt have been iron men and got hurt this year. Williams had missed 5 games in 6 seasons and Hunt hadn’t missed a game his entire career until now.

 

Funny how when we were winning all season Grier wasn't a bum.

 

It’s also nice to see some people are back after Miami’s recent loss.

/sarcasm

 

It's important to remember what the current goalposts are with hitman8 lest he change them again:
https://thephins.com/threads/tua-hes-the-greatest-prospect-ever.98555/#post-3574557

Just one more reason for us to win a playoff game: so we can see if hitman8 moves goalposts again lol.

 

Wrong,

Aside from Armstead and Mostert who had major injury histories before we signed them.

Williams, had multiple knee scopes and his first ACL injury in Dallas before we signed him, now he has his second ACL injury with us.

Howard has had detiorating knee issues for several years now, and he was clearly on the decline before we extended him.

Chubb had an ACL tear and multiple ankle issues before we traded for him.

Phillips had major injuries coming out of college and the one question Mark around him is he was injury prone.

Waddle was an underszized reciever with a serious ankle injury when we drafted him, no surprise hi has ankle problems again.

Ramsey had knee problems before we signed him, so should be no major surprise he missed most of the season due to another knee injury.

Archane is a very undersized RB who also had durability question marks coming out of college.

Tua has managed to not miss a game this season, but we all know he had major injury history coming out of college and continued to have issues with us.

Jackson had major health issues coming out.of college also.

You are right on Hunt, he was durable in college and the pros so far until his nagging hamstring issues thus season, but he is the exceptions rather than the rule. Most of the guys we've had miss games this season had major injury histories before we signed them or extended them.

Past performance is the best predicter of future outcomes, so it should not be any surprise when we take chances on these players and they continue to have injuries and miss games with us.

 

Austin Jackson missed time in college because he donated bone marrow. Are we claiming that made him injury prone?

 

A few years ago ravens were in exact same boat. They sat him in final game, had a bye week, then played the 3rd week and Titans spanked them.

 

It might have been why it took him until his fourth season to play somewhat decent, and yes it did affect his overall health and quality of play.

 

Jalen Ramseys whose knees are so bad that he has missed a grand total of one game leading into this year because of knee injuries.

And his knees are so weak that he came back 2 months early this year

Any smart GM would have passed on him of course

 

Which is irrelevant in terms of whether he is injury prone. Yes I understand that you want to move goal posts about him specifically because it means admitting you were wrong but don't feel bad because we were all wrong. Chris Grier wasn't though.

 

I was fairly dead-on with him; he lost his lower body power from the surgery and his technique was so lousy, it took him this long to figure it out....or regain that lower body strength....or both. I honestly haven't watched film on him this year because it's not a colossal problem anymore.

It was so clear though in college that he steamrolled opponents and overpowered them. That part was gone from his game in the pros and he looked so out of place, it was pretty obvious that it was a strength issue.

 

Don’t care not going to accept that again we have been hearing for 15 years or more injuries. Injuries we would have been better. I get it we got injuries, but so does the rest of the league.

NO MORE EXCUSES we brought in big time names and talent and we need them to perform now. If we lose at home for the division title we could have wrapped up 3 weeks ago with better coaching we wouldn’t be discussing this.

VIC and McDaniel have to coach lights out this week. If we run the same three plays and rely 100% on hill we’re screwed.

this is the time for TUA to earn a contract or potentially be on the trading block IMHO. No bigger time to step up.

Tired of the excuses because we knew about them and we had time to fill those gaps but we didn’t.

I have a thread I been wanting to make but I’ll wait till offseason but I think we are building the team incorrectly to be a perennial juggernaut.