My opinion we dont have a bigtime coach or Qb

Burrow out for the year. If Tua finishes the season healthy (knock on wood), he would have played more games than him so far in their respective NFL careers.

Deshaun Watson out for the year.
Anthony Richardson out for the year.
Who else?

Injuries can happen to anyone, no matter their stature.

 

But, what about when somebody uses "eye test" as their main reasons?

 

Rodgers of course. Given how good the Jets defense has been that's as important as the Bills underperforming in helping us win the division.

 

Then they need a good track record for me to respect

 

You figure it out. I don't get it dude, you're like a different person. These guys that I have a problem with, are literally trolling me. They aren't even ATTEMPTING to understand wtf I'm saying, and regardless of how many times I explain why they are incorrect in their assumptions of me, they continue.

Respect? I used to respect you. I couldn't care less about if you or others in here "respect" me...I just find it incredibly disingenuous to talk to us about respect when we aren't being dickheads.

 

Track record is unimportant. No one cares if you "respect" their opinion. We just expect that we can have discussions, not get mocked and trolled.

 

It was 4 years ago, but I feel like this is how I started out. People wanted to explain away my concerns, and since I wasn't content with people and their assurances that he would be great, I wanted to see him perform, people decided that meant that I hated Tua.

Again, FROM THE BEGINNING, I have stated that I believed that Tua, BARRING INJURY, would have a good career.

 

Have you ever asked yourself the question why it's only you that seems to be systematically "misunderstood"? No one else has this problem. And I don't mean one post here or there. That may happen to everyone. I mean systematically misunderstood, like you claim. At some point you should realize the problem is you, not everyone else.

The problem isn't whether you thought Tua would do well in the NFL, or whether we should keep him barring injury. The problem is ascribing most of the credit for his impressive performance in the last 2 years to others, not Tua. That goes back to your initial assessment of Tua in college, that he was successful primarily because of his elite surrounding cast at Alabama.

If you ever change your views so that you think a large percentage (like maybe at least 50% or so) of the credit for what you're seeing production-wise is due to Tua, you won't be labeled anti-Tua. It's the "not giving Tua proper credit" part that really irks a lot of us.

 

Have you ever watched an Alabama football game? For the past decade (or more), they've had top recruiting classes and a team of All-Stars on the field on both sides of the ball. Alabama has delivered 4 NFL quarterbacks for the 2023 season...that's literally unheard of. One in 8 NFL teams are starting an Alabama quarterback.

In college, Tua (& Hurts, Young, Jones, etc) routinely had/have 5+ seconds to hang out in the pocket and scan the field for which future NFL Pro Bowl receiver or RB to throw to. Resnor's concern was completely valid back then, just like it's valid for whoever's starting for Alabama this season (I haven't watched so I don't know). Their system just churns out national championship contenders.

If you want to talk about if Tua was more than just an Alabama system quarterback based on what we know today, then that would be a valid question. Your answer and my answer would be the same thing. But why not just ask Resnor?

 

He’s been given ample opportunity to come out and say that a very large percentage, maybe a majority, of the reason for Tua’s elite stats is due to him. Never once has he budged on this issue that the credit goes mostly to others. He recently said that not all the credit should go to Tua’s “weapons”, but that says nothing about how much or how little goes to Tua.

You need to pay more attention to what he says if you’re going to try and defend him. No one who has paid attention to this debate would have asked the question you just asked. No one.

 

You can just ignore the posts in question. In any case, I don't like it when people are saying things like Tua will doom this franchise, that Mac Jones and Ryan Tannehill would do as well in this offense as Tua. I mean seriously, that's just immensely disrespectful to Tua. Some people care about that. You don't have to. Just scroll over the debate.

 

We had to endure the complete disrespect of "Lil Tua" and "scrambled egg brains Tua" for two years. I'm not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt.

 

No one is trolling you, you need to do some self introspection.

 

Sorry, there is a standard here that will continue to be set.

If you don’t care about my opinion then there is a ignore button, use it buddy

 

Granted I haven’t followed all of the debate because I just avoided the mains all together. However, what I have seen is resnor being completely irrational, Deej being fairly calm, and cbrad proving that resnor is either extremely poor in explaining what he thinks about Tua or proving he’s fabricating things about what he’s said in the past. I mean, it’s all there and cbrad has pulled up his exact quotes from the past. Then I see when resnor is called out he threatens people. This narrative about “both sides” being disrespectful is just not true. The anti- Tua crowd seems to throw the first punch and then be the ones to cry about being called out claiming that they’re being trolled and harassed. The projection there is just absurd.

 

Omgoidness, play violins

 

We need to cleanse this forum and start over

 

I disagree. Its healthy to listen to and debate with people who have opposing views on things. This is a public message board and everyone is entitled to their opinions. But if someone is going to state an opinion, particularly a controversial one, they should be prepared to back up that opinion or face criticism.

 

Key point above.

 

Fair enough

 

The majority of folks here are trying to focus on the Dolphins season and celebrate the possibilities. How is that not everyone's top priority? Very few want to pay attention to a three-year fight on what Resnor may or may not have said.

Because here's the big picture, he was wrong on Tua. You know it, I know it, he knows it. So if everyone knows it, what's the point of all this?

I'm not defending him as much as I just want everyone to get along. I did argue the one point about Alabama quarterbacks because, well, just look at Mac Jones and the fall of the Patriots. Bryce Young is also struggling on a terrible team with very few weapons or protection, so who knows there. It was a valid concern and will continue to be for other Alabama QB's.

For Hurts and Tua, not so much anymore, LOL.

 

I’ll agree with that but when debate turns to arguing and arguing turns to fighting (figuratively), then it becomes rancor that just puts me off.

I’ll agree with those who say Tua doesn’t have a cannon of an arm and is “small” for a quarterback. Myself personally, I don’t look at those as vital attributes to be a successful nor elite quarterback.

What Tua does posses is un-canning accuracy, anticipation, intelligence, decisiveness and a quick release. In my opinion THOSE attributes are more vital than whether or not he’s 6’5”, 240lbs and can throw the ball 80 yards at 90mph.

McDaniel reminds me a lot of Shula. Both young head coaches that knew/know how to lead and motivate men with an innovative knowledge of the game. Both made mistakes early in their head coaching careers but if McDaniel is anything like Shula, he’s going to have a long and successful career as a head coach.

 

Bottom line Key it’s not about Resnor persay

It’s about folks who go after Tua with conviction when they don’t understand what their looking at and when that gets proven over and over the keep doubling down on something else

So, when someone does that they obviously have issues figuring out how to show respect and admiration for what OUR Qb is doing

So they either figure out how to say I ****ed up or they get the wrath of Kahn lol

Debating correctly takes some effort, some introspection, some humility, and some intellect..

Don’t show it but keep doubling down then they’re gonna control the forums narratives until they leave or figure out how.

Cause I sure as hell ain’t gonna stop showing them receipts..

The player doesn’t deserve the criticism period

 

Does everyone “know” he and others were wrong? No. Statements like Tua will doom this franchise, that Mac Jones would do as well as Tua (as well as many other below average QBs), and that Tua’s success is primarily due to Hill and McDaniel and not Tua himself, are all very recent arguments put forth by many posters.

Your premise that people now agree Tua is playing himself into an elite QB (pending large enough sample size) is wrong. And it’s hard for these debates to subside when you have such diametrically opposite views of Tua.

 

Many of us have seen enough here to recognize, without a shadow of a doubt, what " their" overall agenda is.
Bash Tua, stir the pot, give minimal credit, proudly display Tua's weak points, take great pleasure telling the world " I told you so" after a bad throw or interception. Then they'll give Tua more minimal credit ,(to TRY and throw us off). Then highlight continuously- an errant decision by Tua. Then become silent when Tua lights it up. Then miraculously reappears when Tua misses a receiver.
Claim Tua's success is a result of elite receivers. Throw in an occasional " I really want Tua to be the one" nonsense. ( that one always makes me laugh).

Its not difficult to realize what their motives are as they do it over and over and over.......

 

I can’t say I’m shocked seeing a (very adamant) “Tannehill Is Elite” guy saying Tua is (mediocre or whatever). At some point, we just say the poster can’t evaluate the position of Quarterback. Is this not obvious?

 

So they deserve what their getting

 

Big time..the problem os and why it gets drawn out is because they also keep trying to get attention by doubling and tripling down

I think it’s at attention thing..

 

Tannehill was serviceable. He had to go to a team with a great defense and a hall of fame running back to have success. Shame Tannehill wasn't around in the early 2000s when we had all that.

 

Well, I’m not saying Tannehill was elite but he was a GOOD quarterback who, like so many other good quarterbacks needed talent around him.

When he was in Miami, he didn’t have a good running back like he had in Henry…like Tua has in Moestert and Achane

When he was in Miami, he didn’t have any good receivers like he had in AJ Brown, like Tua has in Hill.

When he was in Miami, he didn’t have a good head coach like he had in Vrabel, like Tua has in McDaniel.

I always knew that Tannehill was a good quarterback, but was handicapped right from the start. We all saw what he did when he went to the Titans.

Just like Tua. I was skeptical when we drafted him and had concerns when he first started but I recognized the talent and saw that the lack of Dolphins’ success wasn’t based on him, but the lack of a good coach and good talent on the team.

That’s the thing when it comes to evaluating a quarterback in the league. You can’t just look at him in a vacuum. Football isn’t a game of individual achievement. It’s the only true TEAM sport and when evaluating, you have to look at the complete team.

 

I don't even mind those arguments so much. What makes me crazy is people claiming he does something (always throws to pre-determined spots) or doesn't do something (go through reads) that are demonstrably false from video evidence and outside expert opinion.

Similarly, there are the unsupported claims of throwing into triple coverage, throwing INTs, or almost INTs with no comparison data to other QBs.

 

Statistically, it's no longer an opinion, it's a fact. You know this better than anyone.

Again, let the facts speak for themselves. People can say whatever they want- it's the receivers, its the offensive line, its the coaching or the run game...everyone is entitled to their opinion. The fact remains that Tua has been a top-3 quarterback for the past two seasons.

I'll also point out that this is not as black and white as you make it out to be though. Burrow is also a top-3 quarterback when healthy, and he's missed (or will miss) two of his first three playoff chances on a playoff-caliber team. Is he a franchise QB? I can see the arguments on both sides there, just like I can for DeShaun Watson, Tannehill, Murray, and a few other quarterbacks in the league.

I get that you want to change Resnor's opinion, or to get him to agree with your opinion even though his confidence in Tua isn't where yours is. But why? Why does it matter so much to you? LOL, it's a great year for Miami and I don't understand why you can't let it go.

 

Welcome to the forums. It is incredible you know Resnor's life history on this site after being a member for three weeks.

 

I was here under a different name. I’m very well aware of certain posters. Like I said, I’m not shocked at all by what I’m seeing/reading.

 

Imagine you took this view with everything else. Let it go when people argue the Earth is flat, or anything else demonstrably wrong. The world changes to the falsehoods dominating. Same thing will happen here. If you "let it go" those unsupported and provably false statements will flood the forum. Even you'll start to see the folly in "letting it go".

Making sure people are held accountable is absolutely essential in society. All that goalpost moving stopped (for the most part) because people like me never let up and constantly pointed out the narrative was being changed. And I'm pretty sure a lot of unsupported views haven't been posted because people know they'll be "attacked" if they do so. This is a good thing, and you should be thanking me and others for that, not asking us to stop.

 

Exactly

You know what our defense is in the name of

Zac Taylor used this term yesterday about one of his ojayets

“ wreckless criticism”

That term can do damage and making people accountable defends those who are having done against them

 

No key people cannot say whatever they want

If you want to turn a blind eye do so but I will not

 

It's been a long time since I've used that word. You should direct that request to others.