My opinion we dont have a bigtime coach or Qb

This is demonstrably false, so why post it?

 

100% truth, how can you deny it??? You again pretty much proved my point. Thanks!

 

Dozens and dozens of posts have been made stating that Tua only has average arm strength and is not a good running QB. Nobody argues it. That's how I can deny it. It simply isn't true.

Plenty of people have pointed out poor throws when they happen. Again, no problem.

 

There is a standard set where some of us have been here since inception

If one neglects the standard and just posts stuff without context, substance or logic then be ready to be debated and get backlash

Don’t like that then see ya

 

Good posters will stay

Bad posters will be weeded out

Nature of any forum that cares

 

So Dark knight stick around man

The right people enjoy your opinion and want to celebrate with each other when we win

 

AMEN.



PS. Glad to hear Galant is alive and well

 

People need to be reminded of their buffoonery.

 

They also need to be ignored

 

Wait...what?

 

Here is a quote about average arm strength from ME:

 

lol.. Confucius died 2000 years before that date in 479 BCE. Actually exactly 2000 because -479 + 2000 = 1521.

 

Yes, but what he said was so important, so insightful, that it took a full 2,000 years to figure out what the heck he meant!

 

The problem is the site has been infiltrated by trolls. It’s fairly obvious as to whom they are.

 

and ill be right here Dano until we cleanse this site.

if some folks wanna bail because of some trolls then fine.

or, we could hold them to a new standard together and make this place a fun smart football site.

i know im not gonna let up with they post garbage..Now if anyine wants to crticize then do it with some coothe and class and you wint have a problem.

tell you whats not gonna happen, and thats just allowing trolls or haters to troll and spew unsubstantiated hate

 

Wow, really? that is how you see it? The two that comment negative about Tua are constantly attacked. There are discussions shut down because of it.

 

You are one of the problems actually. If someone does not agree with you then you throw a fit. It is not about right or wrong with you, it is about agreeing with you or not. That is your "standard" agree with me or you are a troll or worse.

 

This isn't true my man. Deej is extremely easy going, objective, and rational. It takes a lot to get him riled up.

As I mentioned before, it's the trolls. You can't deny that there are Dolphins "fans" who only post, or mostly post, after a Dolphins loss just to piss people off with stuff like "See, I told you so" and yet rarely, if ever, post after a fantastic game by Miami. That or they come in here shortly after every draft and cry about how all our picks suck. It's been happening for awhile now.

I have yet to see anyone call Tua "elite". I have seen people claim that he's on his way. I have seen people say that he's MVP caliber. I've seen people say that he's a good to great QB. All of those things are objectively true. I've also seen these same people criticize Tua when he plays bad. I haven't seen anyone claim he has a powerful arm, or scrambles well. I've seen some that have changed their opinions of Tua based off of his play. I have yet to see any of the trolls give Tua credit. I have yet to see these people change their pre-draft opinions of Tua. I mean, some in the media haven't either, but they aren't fans of this team.

Again, it's clearly obvious who the trolls are here. And I think guys like you, who I don't agree with on most things Tua, at least give credit when credit is due, even if it's still with a side of skepticism on whether or not it will last. And that's OK. There's been many QB's that have played very well for a year or two and faded off into the sunset shortly after. I can't recall any QB that's played at an MVP caliber, led or come close to leading the league in pretty much all QB passing stats, and have failed after, but maybe he'll be the first. I get being jaded. I've been a fan for 45 years and the last 20-25 years have been brutal. I've gotten my hopes up so many times in the past only to see them get crushed. Even last season. But that wasn't because the team fell apart. It was because the team was extremely injured. Historically injured. Yet they still made the playoffs. Yes, Sporano made the playoffs, too, but the feel and look of this team is just different. Past teams would have good runs because they'd get some sort of long fluke of abnormal turnovers in their favor. Or they'd catch some teams off guard with the Wildcat. Or any other number of unsustainable things.

This team seems stable. Yes, we need to get better in a few areas (Oline and LB'ers to name a couple) and add depth, but this team almost beat the Bills, in Buffalo, in the playoffs last season with their 3rd string rookie QB. The defense seems to be gelling. Tua is playing lights out. Yes, his worst games have been against last years SB teams, but show me any other QB this year that hasn't struggled or crapped the bed against teams of that caliber. Burrow, Herbert, Allen, Mahomes...they've all had MUCH worse games than Tua even against way worse opponents.

 

They are debated against because they don’t know how to criticize a player with respect and context, about a player that deserves it

Be better at your game and you will earn respect

You don’t just come here and criticize just because it’s an open forum

Respect is earned through your words and delivery

 

When it comes to those that are in question and you… good ,I’m glad I’m a problem for you all.

Show some respect for your fellow posters and an adequate level of context and you will earn respect

If you don’t know how to hold your self to a higher standard or earn respect than that’s a you and them problem

Because you and them were wrong about a player and don’t respectfully come clean this is what you will get… a problem

 

No thank you I’ll sit where I want..

You have just indicted yourself on the level of national pundits who are stupid as hell when it comes to our team and how they are playing and how they project

Congrats

 

The entire country is not saying this. There are biased people, people who have criticized everything Dolphins for years, saying it, but those with knowledge and no bias scoff at the people who are. I mean, all a person has to do is look at anyone's scheduled and see that everyone loses in the NFL. They lose to other good teams, bad teams, middling teams...you lose in the NFL.


Besides, losing to the prior year's SB teams and division rivals is less worse than losing to crappy teams. At least to anyone with half a brain. I give the Bills a bigger pass for losing to the Pats, for example, than the Broncos. And most knowledgeable people do the same. It's very difficult to sweep your division no matter the teams playing. It's only been done by 22 teams (51 times) in the past 35 years. The most a team has ever done it over that span is 5 times.

 

Dj used to be that way. I came back to the board after being gone quite a while, I was stunned by how he what he was posting and how he was acting. I almost reached out and asked him if he was OK. If something was going on in his life to make him so bitter.

Not sure how you know how I feel about Tua exactly, I typically don't post about him. However, I can see both sides of the arguments at times about him. Some people aren't triggered enough until the Dolphins lose to post. They want to vent, not always about Tua, but more about the Dolphins losing. I am a fan of Tua and have said that many times. I want him to be great. He has worked his butt off to become what he is today. He has worked to resolve most of the criticisms people had about him. If he worked to fix them, then he had them, and those pointing them out were not wrong when they posted about them, but some still attacked them a ridiculous amount.

I'm like you, I feel this is easily the best team we have had in a long long time. Just trying to enjoy the ride and hoping for weekly improvements.

 

Some just don't like what they say. It is really that simple. From what I have read they post what they feel in a nice respectful way and then are attacked. I've not seen them attack posters, but I have seen them attacked. That is why boards die, people can't post what they feel without being attacked so they leave. It was the same with Tannehill, people that didn't like him were torched, turns out they were pretty accurate, but they left the board.

 

Of course they've attacked us. Lots of violations of ToS from them. I mean Tua supporters' views were claimed to be worse than ISIS of all things (StaleTacos did that) and recently there were threats of violence (resnor did that). You haven't been paying attention if you think the insults are only from one side.

Also, both sides attacked and got attacked in those Tannehill debates. Neither was better or worse.

My view is simple: you post on a message board you should have no realistic expectation of NOT getting attacked. How anyone can complain about being attacked when you post on a public message board is beyond me. So I have no problem with these "debates" regardless of how intense they get. It's just the way it is.

 

Jesus.. lol..I’ve been here 15 years I ain’t changed a bit

I care about this site and will hold people accountable when they talk trash.always have always will.

I take steps and am calculated when I decide to criticize one of our own.

 

You are not very observant imo

 

Tannehill is a perfect example of the opposite end of the spectrum

I chose early once I felt confident that he wasn’t the guy, and it was early, the year Mahomes was coming out I suggested we rid ourselves of him and go after this kid from Texas tech.

I stood my ground respectfully and made my case while folks debated me back..

 

It isn't because the comments are negative. It is because they are either unfounded, illogical, or the result of constantly moving goal posts.

The biggest issues I have with the worst of the anti-Tua crowd are that they rarely provide any supporting evidence, rarely apply the same standards to other QBs, and (sorry to say) usually have no idea what they are talking about.

Here are just SOME of the disproven points:

1. Tua can't throw deep..... wrong
2. Tua is a one read QB.... wrong.
3. Tua isn't big enough to be a successful QB.... wrong.
4. Tua doesn't have a strong enough arm.... wrong.

 

I think Tua is elite. Just putting that out there. Having participated in the debate here in mains for years, the debate has been weirdly toxic.

You have the obvious trolls, which always take a negative opinion. That's how trolling works, and is the way to be correct most often. The majority of players never live up to hopes.

Then you have the Anti posts that aren't trolls per se, but constantly moved goal post, weasel worded complements to Tua, miss quoted others to make points, and, worse, disagreed with my assessments. The horror.

Then you have the Pro posts that refused to see valid complaints, refused to accept others changing their opinions, and, worse, disagreed with my assessments. Again, horror.

Basically, if everyone just liked my posts and quoted me with thumbs up emojis we could have true harmony and happiness. It's up to you guys now.

 

Tell your simp friends to show respect. for posters

 

As he said, it needs to be earned.

 

Let me try to explain the difference in negative posting styles that gets people riled up. Take the failed snap that sealed the KC game. There clearly was disagreement on where to place the blame. Some think that the majority of the blame should be on Williams and other think the majority of the blame should be on Tua.

There were numerous back and forths on that play, still shots, video clips, whole threads. I don't recall any discussions of the blame or the specific play getting out of hand.

What does get people spun up are comments like these:

1. Tua can't handle the pressure.
2. Tua can't even catch snaps.
3. Tua sucks.
4. Tua always comes up short.
et, etc, etc

Why? Because they are either outright lies or extreme exaggerations simply to provoke a response. You know who you are.

 

You earn respect man, it’s not a given.

Figure it out, if you can’t then sorry

 

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"Tua ain't it" is a popular one.

This is exactly right, good post.

 

I don’t mind that, here is a way to present that if I thought that

Imo Tua ain’t it..

Here’s why I think he isn’t..

Content, context etc..

Also here is my track record of times when I said somebody wasn’t it.