My opinion we dont have a bigtime coach or Qb

The comment from losenor was that Tua has NEVER played great without elite weapons. I just named you a bunch of guys not in the league anymore and a rookie Jaylen Waddle that Tua put up a stretch of very good games, on a poorly coached team, in a Mickey Mouse offensive system with.

 

I thought injuries were your only concern with Tua...... how did I know you wouldn't stick to that.....

 

But INJURIES ARE YOUR ONLY CONCERN!!!!

 

Again dude, you act like nothing ever changes. Viewpoints are fixed and information can never change them.

Since you clearly STILL don't understand. MY ONLY ISSUE REGARDING SIGNING HIM LONG-TERM IS INJURIES. IF HE MISSES 3 OR FEWER GAMES TO INJURY THIS YEAR, THEY SHOULD ABSOLUTELY RESIGN HIM.

And then we'll get see what he does with not a superstar roster. But if we aren't winning Super Bowls now, hard to imagine we will if our offense loses a couple players.

 

Also, GFY.

Not in ANY of those posts did I even attempt to insinuate that I wasn't pleased with his play overall or that I thought we shouldn't sign him long-term.

Your little act is really really tiresome. This site was created to avoid your type of posting, yet here we are.

 

LOL... "my" act is tiresome....

You've been playing your semantic games for years. Everyone sees it.

You have repeatedly said that your only concern was his ability to stay healthy. Now you are concerned that he will not be able to play at a high level without this level of talent around him.

You constantly play this game. Saying one thing, then another. Playing the victim. Protesting that you are misunderstood or people are playing zero sum games or taking all or nothing position or taking you out of context. It is bull****.

You have been caught repeatedly misrepresenting your previous posts. Multiple people have thrown it back in your face using the sites search and quote functions. Still you persist over and over again.

 

I almost hope we don't resign so we don't have to read your posts about Tua. How bad is that? I almost want to give up the best QB we've had in over two decades because of your horrific takes......

 

If we're signing him long term...Then it means we have faith in him being able to get the job done going forward. How the roster is or isn't constructed from there on out is completely out of anyone else's hands aside from the GM and the boundaries they have to work within. You can't worry about what Tua will look like without Tyreek Hill to throw to 3-4 years from now. Again, we're keeping the faith that he can get it done. I think you're problem is that you want consistent, elite play under any and all circumstances and it's just not going to happen that way. I don't know of any Quarterbacks where it ever did. Sometimes Mahomes has a bad game! Christ they lost to Denver a week ago! Josh Allen has had bad games, Herbert is having a mediocre season at best right now.
I think part of your problem and mine to a lesser extent is that we've waited for three decades to find a viable replacement for Dan Marino. We've went through Fiedler, Ray Lucas, after that Cullpepper and he was straight trash, meanwhile Drew Brees set records in New Orleans. Then it was Pennington, Henne, Matt Moore, Tannehill.... We're so used to failing that it's become the norm and it's become what you expect to happen.
Nobody has a crystal ball on Tua, and you can choose to dislike him , but we're winning games and we're currently sitting in 1st place in our division. I can only imagine our record with Mike White or Thompson starting.

 

Being a tad bit sarcastic and unrealistic aren’t you?

2021 was Tua’s first year as the starter, his second year in the league.

How many 2nd year quarterbacks posted a 104+ rating in at least 5 games of their second year, first as a starter?

 

A ton? A 5 game streak isn't much, and I don't even think it was a 5 game streak of being good. It was 4 games, against 4 losing teams.

 

Thry just cant admit it bro, its arguing with a wall. Look how much the goalposts have moved. Theyll never be satisfied with him bc they hate him. Its not rational.
Hes putting out better numbers than any Dolphins qb before or since 13. Hes healthy. Hes coachable. Hes a leader. Rather than get on the bus, they either lie and pretend theres definitely 15 guys better than him right now (absurd) or they think that you can get one of the 3-4 who are. This is it, guys. This is your franchise. Get on board. Hes not going anywhere

 

Put me on ignore.

I barely post.

 

Who gets to pick if the teams were good or not? You can if it makes you feel any better. I just said they were losing teams, which they were.

 

The Dolphins were 2-7 when that streak started. Not exactly a great team that year.

 

Tua overcame injuries, clueless coaching and a terrible offensive line and got this team to 9-8

Myles Gaskin - Duke Johnson - Salvon Ahmed - Philip Lindsay

Jaylen Waddle - Albert Wilson - Devante Parker - Preston Williams - Mac Hollins - Isaiah Ford

Mike Gesicki - Durham Smythe - Adam Shaheen

 

The original question, posed by the gentleman concerned still stands…

How many 2nd year quarterbacks, 1st year starters have had 5 games of 104+ passer rating?

 

The comic relief is worth it… for now….

 

Honestly none of regular Tua haters have any idea what they are talking about.

 

That wasn't my question. There are plenty of examples of quarterbacks putting up numbers in games early in there career. I just don't know if it was as bad as a situation as Tua was saddled with.

The point made against by losenor was that Tua would never be able to put up elite numbers with a bad roster, he needed elite weapons. Well, as you can see the roster I posted and Tua made it work somehow. That's not even including the horrid offensive lines and coaches back then.

 

Failure is the mother of success. Tua will continue to improve as he's done every year.

 

1) He didn't have a 5 game streak of 104+ in his 2nd year though. If he did, please show me what games exactly you are looking at, because I don't see it. I see a 4 game streak of 109.2, and he had a clunker before that streak and a clunker after.

2) Herbert had a 109 rating 7 game streak in his rookie year, and a 103.7 rating 6 game streak in his 2nd year. That's just one off the top of my head. Mac Jones had a 9 game streak of 105.4 in his rookie year and 101.5 4 game streak in his 2nd year.

What you are naming really isn't a unique and special thing.

 

Why are we still debating this tua is a very serviceable top 10 qb in the league hands down.

could other qb’s do good in this system with our talent sure, but we have lived through /0 years of medicroty and tua is above all those so just enjoy it. The problem is defense needs to get better

 

The turnaround was more about the defense. After the game in Buffalo, the 7 wins streak, they held opponents to an average of 11.7 points, and then Tua completely crumbled in the must-win game in Tenneesee.

 

If we sign him long-term it can also mean that there is not a better option that we can replace him with.

PLEASE NOTE: I'M NOT ATTEMPTING TO SAY ANYTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT TUA. I simply disagree that signing him long-term means anything more than he's the best option available to us. Once we drafted him, we were basically locked into him through at least his second contract. That's how it goes when you give up a ton to get the QB you want.

 

The correct statement would be that YOU don't have any idea what we are actually saying.

The problem is that you think you do, and all your responses are not an attempt to have a discussion and understand a different viewpoint, they are simply you attempting to play Gotcha Games, by continuously taking posts out of context.

 

Because some people aren't sold that Tua was driving that bus, and/or that he only puts up great stats against losing teams.

What continues to fuel the dispute is one side just constantly calls the others trolls and mocks them, and ignores any criticism that they have, even when valid criticisms.

 

LOL poor misunderstood res.....

 

But your only concern is injuries... am I right?

Do you know why I keep harping on this? Because I knew you were lying every time you wrote it. Injuries were never the main concern for you. You have repeatedly raised concern after concern with nothing to back up your concerns. Just vague nonsensical comments. When challenged you deflect, claim you are misunderstood, whine, or claim you are not qualified to comment. Sadly only the last is true.

 

Yes, MY ONLY CONCERN WITH A LONG TERM CONTRACT is injuries.

Does that mean that I believe Tua is perfect? No. Does that mean that I will NEVER post criticisms of him? No.

No one on here, except maybe Rafael, is qualified to speak on this stuff, actually. You are a disingenuous poster. A troll. Constantly twisting and misrepresenting everything to argue. You love to play semantics, and utilize the all or nothing technique to create disagreements where there should be none.

The post you currently were responding to, AGAIN, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with those things. I'm saying that the way you and others respond to those criticisms from whoever makes them, is what continues to fuel the argument.

I will argue ANY point that I believe is invalid. That in no way means that I think the player is trash. You continue to hold that position because it allows you to twist posts and troll.

 

LOL..... IT'S ZERO SUM GAME!!!!!! Stop using the wrong phrase!!!

 

Really?

YOU LITERALLY POSTED (TWICE) A CONCERN OTHER THAN INJURIES ABOUT GIVING TUA A LONG TERM CONTRACT!

YOU RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT TUA'S ABILITY TO PLAY WITHOUT PLAYERS OF THE CALIBER OF HILL AND WADDLE. YOU DID THAT! TWICE! IN THIS ****ING THREAD!

 

I have updated my ignore list.

 

"Not the guy"

 

Only response to this poor evaluation of the Qb is Tua will maximize any weapons that are on the field..

Tuas greatest traits is measuring guys talent level and speed on the field and being super accurate to give them the best chance to do something with the ball, after he placed the ball the talent the production will drop relative to the talent level.

With lesser talented players the stats will sacrifice but relatively he will make those lesser players more productive

 

Trent Sherfield has 7 catches for 53 yards, 0 TD in 9 games for Buffalo. 30 catches for 417 yards, 2 TD with Tua last year.

 

OK...But the way you write about Tua does suggest that you don't think very highly of him. If that's the case, then this upcoming free-agent class of QBs should have plenty of available options based on your personal opinion of Tua. I mean Kirk Cousins with his torn Achilles doesn't really count, but if you think Tua is THAT bad, then Sam Darnold, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Drew Lock, Gardner Minshew and his cool mustache (he could replace Fitzmagic), Josh Dobbs. These guys are ALL better than Tua based on what I read by you. We could also trade for Kyler Murray??? I don't know dude. You're hard to please.

 

Yeah, what I'm saying is that I'm not sure we can bank on having the best receiver in the league every year.