Now this is a strawman. Do you want me to prove it? (hint the search function will prove you wrong again)
Tua missed WRs for TDs. He doesn't do that often. He hit Hill for a deep throw TD when Hill ran the wrong route a few weeks ago, so lets not pretend like it's a crazy thing to ask. I am not worried because Tua usually makes great decisions. Its a clear strength. Waddle lost track of ball that seemed like it could have been a TD if he tracked it and took in in stride, and Hill had the obvious game changing fumble. Not worried about any of those as they were plays that were out of character. I hope the team continues to get healthier and gets ready for a play off run. 6-3, and first place in the East at the bye is a good spot to be. 5 home and 3 away games left to get tuned up for the post season. Hard to see the Dolphins with less than 11 wins at the end of the season.
Asking the QB to skip his progressions without having some pre-snap indicator is just wrong. The play where Hill ran the wrong route is different because he was in the progression. Tua just adjusted and threw the ball.
I am referring to 3rd down to Wilson at the end of the game, where Wilson ran a go as there was no safety and Tua missed him doing that and threw a comeback. I think Coach said Wilson ran the wrong route, but Tua could have seen what Wilson saw. Not a progression issue. Also, progressions are changed by quick post snap reads too. Sometimes the entire side of a field gets changed to which goes first. I would have to check the all 22, but it looked the a safety rotated away post snap on a go route that Waddle could have had a TD on that Tua threw an under route. Even then, I have no idea what his keys were. Nether do you. (Do you? If you are Mike McDaniel, I take it all back.) Plays were missed that were there to be had. Tua usually makes great decisions at lighting speed. It's one of his superpowers. He sees the field so well. Including routes that he isn't expecting. Who makes no mistakes though?
Tua releases the ball before Wilson gets to the break. No way for him to know that Wilson will run the wrong route. But if there is no idicator, the initial progression holds. He is not going to switch a read for no reason. Are you McDaniel? Since you admit that you have no idea what his keys were the rotation of the safety might have no bearing on the read. I'm not the one claiming something was missed. You have to prove that claim. Agree on this.
How does this seem illogical? For those who have been critical of Tua, how many times have you heard them say, words to the effect of “he can’t get past his first read?” That first read is who the play is designed for. This is why quarterbacks audible at the line. They see a defense that either has their play shut down, or sees a soft defense that has an opportunity elsewhere. It is completely logical.
Thank you. This is football 101 and I didn't think it had to be explicitly explained here but I guess it does. The receiver ran the wrong route, the QB threw to the spot where the receiver was supposed to be, the receiver chose not to be there and somehow, someway, this is the QB's fault. So yes, you're 100% correct that its irrelevant the receiver was open in a spot he wasn't supposed to be AFTER the ball was thrown.
It's not relevant because the ball was in the air when the receiver chose to be in a different spot then what the play called for.
That's why I wrote that he could have seen what Wilson saw and threw the go. Hill has stated on his podcast that when he gets specific looks he just knows that whatever was called is now a go with a specific release depending on the initial coverage. Wilson is not Hill, but the thinking would be the same. My proof is that Wilson was open for a TD with a different throw. Also, progression usually refers to order of reads, not the specific routes run. At least in my limited experience.
Forget Wilson and Tua for a second. Everyone can think of any game they saw where the quarterback threw the ball and the receiver was NO WHERE near the where the ball was thrown. Summation? The quarterback and the receiver were not on the same page however if it’s Tua? TUA missed the wide open TD throw. There’s NO WAY the receiver messed up.
Josh Allen did it last night and it was 30 yards past the wide receiver, who ran a comeback and Allen threw it as a go route. He got an intentional grounding penalty on it.
Well thanks for making me reliving the crappy ending but here is Tua releasing the ball. Look where Wilson is. He is at the 24 yard line. Tua is throwing the ball long before Wilson gets to the spot where he is supposed to stop. Tua communicated the route to Wilson. Wilson ran a different route. WRs fault. Period.
Wrong. Only can happen to Tua and it has to be Tua's fault. BTW, that was BS intentional grounding call. They regularly ignore this part of the rule: Josh Allen was not facing imminent loss of yardage. He was standing it a clean pocket. Here is an article about it that covers the same thing: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ot...ake-on-intentional-grounding-call/ar-AA1jtzvk Pretty incredible that the "rules expert" doesn't know the whole rule. The rule is horribly written. I have seen QBs rip the ball directly into the turf 3 or 4 yards away from a receiver when under pressure on a screen pass. There is no realistic chance of completion.
I do agree that McD needs to be better at figuring out what the good defenses are doing. He hasn't made the adjustments as well as before. This is a copycat league and making those adjustments is key. This game didn't worry me with the lose as much as so many here or my son - who said Yep were frauds. I saw a defense that gave up 1 TD after the initial script drive. They kept a top 10 offense in total check. On the offensive side of the ball the things you just can't do on the road - presnap penalties and dropped balls. This might have been McD's worse called game or it might be because they are the defending world champs and are a top 5 defense. Or a combination of both. Tua looked like he had the old Dan happy feet. He didn't look real comfortable. Waddle's injury slowed him down at a time we needed to shake them up. It just didn't seem like they were playing with any kind of speed or had high energy. Didn't think KC did either BTW. I wish Hill would STFU with the trash before the game. Just go out workman like. The throw behind the 2 WR's we just don't do it that well but we keep going back to it. Even the defender said he saw it coming in his post game interview so were becoming at times a little predicable. Where are the quick hitting slants? Where are the schemes to make sure Hill gets a clean release? Hunt going down didn't help things on the line. Can we just get through a game with everyone? At least the injury bug didn't sting the Crap out of us. Some time off is well needed. UP next is the Raiders. While they played their hearts out for the new coach, I just don't think they have the firepower.
This is just getting weird. Yes, Tua threw a different route than Wilson ran. Yes, Mike said it was the wrong route that was run not thrown. And, yes, the go he ran was open and could have been 6, if Tua was on the same page as Wilson, and adjusted to a route that wasn't called based on the coverage they got. As Hill has mentioned happens. What are you even debating? It doesn't seem like you understand my point if you think that screen shot has any bearing. I'm not sure how to present it differently. Have a nice night.
I love how you switch stats to push your stupid narrative. KC has the 2nd ranked defense Bills have the 5th ranked defense Jets have the 6th ranked defense (for now, it won't be that after this game) The Dolphins and Bills both play the Jets, Pats, Chiefs, and Eagles. The Dolphins are 6-3 and have swept the Pats (Bills lost to them) and played both of last years SB teams. Bills have yet to play either. The Dolphins are 0-3 against winning teams (0 of those games at home) Bills are 1-2 (2 in Buffalo) KC is is 2-1 (2 in KC) Your ignorant and stupid posts make no sense. You're spinning. You're trolling.
It's just so absurd. Either these people are trolling or just ignorant. I'm leaning towards the former. We have fans of other teams in here and they're just sad about their team and have nothing better to do. No fan of a team as exciting as the Dolphins are now, and with how bad they've been for the past 20 years, would complain this much about being 6-3 and in 1st place halfway through the season as these trolls.
It has less to do with us winning, but with Tua doing well. They simply can't stand being wrong about their original assessment of Tua as just an average-ish QB. That sentiment is still alive today. If we had chosen Herbert and we were 4-4 like the Chargers they'd be singing praises of this team.
Herbert completed 50% of his passes for 136 yards and 0 TD's. The Chargers forced three turnovers and scored on a punt return. They'd be calling Herbert a God..lol
I think “we” need to take a step back. It’s all just antagonistic. It feels like Trump/Biden. And that sucks. It’s not fun for the rest of us. This string. And the two others.
I understand that, but when someone says Tua is going to doom this franchise, another keeps insisting Tua and Mac Jones are similar quality QBs, after all Tua has done? You want us to shut up and let them attack Tua like that? Sorry, but I'm not shutting up.
I haven't switched stats. I've consistently used passer rating against. YOU are moving goalposts. The Bills haven't been strong defensive on the passing side, and still shutdown our passing. You skipped the Eagles, who haven't been strong defensively in points allowed OR passer ratting against. You jumped into a conversation, and wrote a post with no point. Well done.
Guys, let’s fire McDaniel and hire dolphin25 as the new coach. He’s going to make a lot of people on this board happy when he gets Tua killed by having no progressions and always looking deep first.
Anyone that has watched Tua at all this season will know that 99% of the time he will throw the ball before the receiver makes his break. On that play Tua knew Wilson would be open on the out route he was supposed to run so threw the ball before Wilson made his break. It looks horrible because Wilson never made the break he was supposed to. It doesn’t matter he got open later in the route, I bet he would have been open if he ran the correct route as well. Maybe not a TD, but a completed pass and I’m sure we still had timeouts.
All or nothing, again. You gonna find one random post somewhere. It was a strawman because you made up an argument that he wasn't making. I didn't admit to anything.
I can't stand Herbert...but...I thought he played decent given the amount of pressure he was under last night. Kid had zero chance to play quarterback last night, LOL. His role was more 'tackling dummy'. Same goes for Zach Wilson though, it was semi-comical to me.
No matter what, Tua is still by the far the best QB we’ve had since Marino. And for that, I’m happy. Just look at Tennessee being miserable after paying Tannehill, that could be us.
whaa whaa whaa. If you can't understand it don't comment. He has check downs built in every play and other options.
so, you are saying Tua is not elite, does not see the entire field, he just throws to 1 and done. Got it.
You just defined why it does not seem logical. Original comment was implied that only the 1st read was a good completion. My argument is throwing to the best "open" person is the best play. You supported my argument. Either Tua is elite and he sees the entire field and throws to the open person, or he just throws to receiver 1.
I'm not surprised that this is all you can "understand" from the discussion. Not sure how you can get "he just throws to 1" from the comment that the offense has precise timing and progressions from 1 to 2 to 3..... The level of understanding of football is shockingly low. As I wrote to resnor, there is no excuse to remain ignorant. There is too much information available. Start with the QB School youtube channel. Former NFL QB that breaks down film. Watch his videos about Tua. He will teach you the progressions designed into the offense.
