Tua...''He's the greatest prospect ever''

MeShawn, LOL!

 

I was watching a clip of Undisputed and had just told my wife that Keyshawn and Skip Bayless were two of the diminishing numbers of people who never fail to take shots at Tua and almost immediately, that idiot made that statement. Curiously, there have only been 25 completions of 60.8 yards or more in the past seven seasons. Suggesting that the ability to launch the ball that distance when fewer than five such hookups per season are successful takes away a strategic argument and is childish because even those capable of it rarely complete the passes.

But Keyshawn can keep mumbling about it.

https://www.nfl.com/videos/top-25-air-distance-throws-of-the-ngs-era

 

Now he's like a cat, always lands on his feet.

 

It's really hard to watch any other QB right now after watching Tua this season.

 

And it's really hard watching the WRs from the Cowboys and Chargers.

 

BTW the end of the Cowboys/Chargers game is a microcosm of Justin Herbert's career.

 

As much as I have always felt that Dolphins of both sides should care a lot less about Herbert then they do/have its will be hard to not enjoy the hot takes that the football world will now spawn

 

Herbert puts up great numbers and big throws. Until it comes down to him having to drive down and win a game.

 

"Anyone can throw to wide open receivers!"

 

Don’t forget about coaching. Prior to McDaniel’s arrival, the offense were were running brought up the entire debate over Tua v Herbert.

McDaniel saw WHAT he had in Tua and tailored an offense to Tua’s skills.

In San Diego, they’re doing what Belichick seemed to have done in New England…ride the coat tails of the quarterbacks talent and not tailoring the offense to his skill set.

 

Just for reference, this is what qualifies as a "sensational" game for another quarterback...



This is a horrible game for Tua to some.

 

Hey, they scored 20 points....that is sensational! It takes us a whole quarter to do that.

 

I love Tua...
I love that Tua is on the Dolphins. (Even with the concussions.)


Trevor Lawrence also beat Bama for a national Championship.... So he deserves a tip of the cap.

Lawrence came into the draft losing 2 football games in 8 years.

So was Tua any better a prospect than Lawrence coming into the draft?

I cannot say that he was.

Lawrence is starting to show he is going to be fantastic also

Again this is not a Tua vs. Lawrence debate. Just that Lawrence in my mind was one of the most hyped prospects coming out of the draft of my lifetime.

 

Lawrence looks to be a great QB so far. So is Burrow, though he's injured a lot. Both of them have done something Herbert hasn't done, won a playoff game. Tua hasn't either, but then, he didn't get the chance because of injury last year. Hopefully, we'll find out this season if he's capable of winning one.

 

Tua is playing at a higher level than Lawrence right now.

He has another year in the NFL
He is older.
He is playing with Better skill players.

Not making excuses for Tua... just facts.

Another fact is that Lawrence still has work to do if he wants to be considered Tua's contemporary... Right now Tua is playing at a higher level.... Period...

Anyone that has watched Lawrence since he was 16 years old. (Cough) has zero doubt he will continue to get better.

But right now.... Tua is the NFL MVP and it is not even close.

 

Yeah Tua's elite trait is high accuracy with fast decision making. In most cases there's a speed-accuracy tradeoff: the more time you take the more accurate you are and vice versa. At least in this one specific activity of playing NFL QB, Tua doesn't lose much accuracy with little time to make a decision. McD is just taking advantage of that with speedy receivers. You almost certainly won't get similar production if you substituted Mahomes into this offense. Mahomes is great — still the greatest QB of this generation — but in this particular offense Tua is probably the better one.

And it's really worth pointing out that Hill is having a career year with Tua: his yards per reception is an astonishing 19.4 right now. The highest he ever had with Mahomes was 17. To say the QB doesn't matter in that is ridiculous.

 

And McD got heated in response:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-success-in-dolphins-offense-who-the-f-cares/

 

It's all of the detailed pocket stuff that Tua does. The precision and speed that he carry outs fakes, resets his feet, and is ready to throw after hiding the ball, feels and moves to avoid pressure, and so forth. Never seen someone spin, set, and throw like he can.

 

The fact that he has got you off of the QBs need to use their legs kick says it all.

 

I watch these All-22 tapes every week from JT O'Sullivan, he breaks down what makes Tua so good.

Watch the throw to Waddle at the end, how many QB's in the league do you think see and make that throw? Absolutely unbelievable throw that Waddle drops.

 

The way I took the question was that it was giving Coach MCD the opportunity to say how Tua is better than the average NFL QB in terms of processing and accuracy and you couldn't substitute a JAG QB in and work as well as Tua.

But I can see how the phrasing of the question could come across to some as being an implied criticism of Tua. Joe Shad has generally been pretty positive about Tua since day 1.

 

In the NFL.... Almost all QB's can run all Schemes.... Some just better than others.

If the Dolphins had Kirk Cousins... Tyreek Hill and Waddle would still be lighting it up... Because he can throw a football and hit a target moving. Ditto for Tannehill... or Goff... or Derek Carr. Any of these guys would be having career years if they were here in Miami right now

Remember that the bread and butter of this offence is short to medium passes to speedy receivers... With the occasional deeper throw.... Tua is not classicly equipped to hit receivers in stride for 40+ yards....But he has 40+ yard plays because this offence uses the track speed from all of the skill players to create bigger plays.

Am not the biggest fan of this head coach.... But I will give him a ton of credit for properly utilizing the weapons he has and incorporating everything into the offence. Tua's strength is quick short and medium passes... thrown accurately. The head coach is not trying to turn Tua into something he is not.... (Running QB for example.) The Head coach is not asking Tua to do things that are not among his strengths... The head coach tweaked the offence he learned in San Fransisco to make it perfect for Tua. Then the head coach made sure we had the right people in place to make it work here... Bringing in Mostert, and Ingold...Hill... letting Gesicki walk utilizing Smythe more. Bringing in Barrios... Elite speed... Lots of yards after the catch...

Tua is the clear MVP of the league right now... (Not even close.) That does not mean that Tua is better than Mahomes or Allen... (They are all so great it is really splitting hairs on who you pick to QB your team) It does mean Tua is having a much better year and he deserves the MVP

But to think that any top 10 QB would not absolutely thrive and shine here with these weapons is sheer lunacy.

Love Tua.... But he is in a fantasyland dream come true situation right now where he has elite game changing playmakers all around him.

 

Good video from Travis:

 

He also does better pre-reads than most QBs. He releases the ball so quickly because he knows which receiver will be in space before the snap. Between that and his uncanny ability to look off defenders play into his high accuracy and YAC. If you look at the last play on the video, Tua's looking to the right side of the field until he throws the crossing pass. He almost looked like Uncle Rico on the pass.

 

I hate that I love Jests fan Rich Eisen, but he's the best sports voice out there right now.

 

I don't know why, but the whole "system QB" thing has my hackles up. Every successful QB is in an optimal or near-optimal system. Kyle Shanahan came up with an incredible WCO but nobody worked within it like Matt Ryan did in 2016 and nobody's worked as well as he did that season. Purdy's coming close this year. That leads me to believe that it's the QB that makes the system better, not the other way around. If we traded Tua for Josh Allen, we wouldn't run the same offense and neither would the Bills. If Philadelphia traded Hurts for Herbert, each team would make significant changes to their schemes.

Leads me to two conclusions:
1. Talking about a "system QB" isn't a pejorative toward the QB, it's a great compliment to the coach for getting the most out of his guy.
2. When a QB elevates in a particular system and makes it work better than prior QBs, the system improves because of the QB at least as much as the QB improves because of the system.

Regardless, whenever I hear the phrase, it comes across as a knock on the QB when it's just common sense that you should want to put him in the best position to succeed as possible. Am I missing something?