Tua...''He's the greatest prospect ever''

Has he though? No 1st last year because of Ross, not him. Lots of young great to good players to pay in the next couple of years because of the picks he made. The free agents he missed on were moved on from quickly and painlessly.

Look at the team he has built:

Offense, year two of building for Daddy Mac. Spectacular, trending to all time great results. He earned his contract with this unit alone.

QB: Tua stays healthy and gets a bag. Don't care, pay the man. Need to keep on swinging for a back up through the draft IMO.

OL: This was his biggest question and by far the worst built unit in the past. The answers so far this year are positive. Team now values athletic move run blockers over pass protectors because the offense is built the way it is. Why they drafted for this way for Flores's offenses is questionable, but it is looking like it worked out after all. For instance, Jackson can actually be a good RT now, and won't get a lot of $. Crazy! Wynn was a fantastic singing. Lam worth it. Armstead is hurt some, but making $15M a year, great value if they can get 13 regular season games a year and a playoff run or three. Liam didn't suck a center, but it was the Broncos... Center is the real question going forward as far as contracts go.

WR: The Hill trade was amazing, he is worth all of his pay and the assets used. Hill is signed through 2026 which means one year of overlap with Waddles coming extension, 2026. And with the way that the extension can be leveraged for a low first year cap hit, we get at least 3 more years of Hill and Waddle after this one. The rest of the WR room can be one year prove it on a good team contracts, mid to late round picks, that are all great blocking roll players. IDGAF.

RB: Who can argue with the way this played out? Value everywhere, absolutely refused to over pay. FB makes the most and is still worth it.

TE: Meh. The ones that they are overpaying, aren't making much anyway. Biggest move was re-signing Smyth and he is worth his $4M. Rookie free agent is looking good with a position that takes time. Blockers over receivers, they will be schemed open so...

Defense: year one (maybe) of building for Victor. This has the most issues IMO and contracts may need to be adjusted.

DE/OLB The Chubb trade and sign after extending Ogbah was very confusing last year. Didn't fit the D well enough to justify the resources at all. Then they immediately switch the D to the one that best fits Chubb in the off season. Makes me think they knew that was happening before the trade deadline last year. I am going to believe my conspiracy theory that they knew a change was coming early last year and wanted Vic or a clone and its year 1.5. Lot of money invested, tuff decisions coming if Gink continues to shine. Chubb cannot be moved on from until 2025 but that is before Phillips gets his extension.

CB: incomplete/no pass. He may have to turn in his assignment with work not done. Too many injuries to know. Should be solid to great unit if everyone continues to rehab, or Smith develops. Great if both happens. Lot of $ here, a lot, but can drop a big contract (X) if needed and Kader is insane value. Honestly, X is probably going to be gone, but the youngsters are playing well. Maybe he sees reality and takes a pay-cut. He does have some extra mouths now.


S: Great picks, Good signings. Plus unit all day. Going to have to pay Holland in 2025.

DT/NT: A great signing and extension. A why didn't you work it out yet, he is really really good. And, an incomplete on NT. Cannot argue with our starters. Christian is going to be the big story in the offseason, can be tagged though.

LB: Average. Not a lot invested. Baker is good, only big contract. Others are there. Don't love or hate them.


Short Bus Teams. Needs help.

Get new kicking scouts. That said, Meh. Just kick 10 extra points a game, and trot the punter out once. That should fix everything.

I am not seeing how they cannot keep the young core and pay Tua. Tua, Holland, and Wilkson will be the big contracts to pay before 2026, with Gink and Williams as possible larger contracts depending on their play. The cap is only going to go up.

 

The jury’s still out but Jackson has been playing lights out this far.

I was REALLY nervous when Miami hired Butch Barry. Guess he just needed the right situation to coach a successful offensive line.

 

Jackson has not been lights out, his overall PFF grade so far this season is 58.7. Not lights out by any means. He has always been a pretty good run blocker, but terrible pass blocker. The pass blocking deficiencies this year are being masked by scheming to get rid of the ball quickly, rushers just don't have enough time to get to Tua. It's not that these guys turned into good pass blockers all of a sudden.

 

Sadly in this day and age of social media, there comes the need for instant gratification and perfection.

I’ve often wondered what the expressed opinion of Marino would have been had this technology existed then. Would he have been held to same “see I told you” scrutiny when he would throw 2 or 3 interceptions in a game that we seem to see Tua being held to?

 

With Marino he could throw a couple and I would still not worry because I knew he could bring us back. Never had a doubt we could win when he played. If feels like interceptions were more a part of the game back then.

 

I've gotten to the point where I expect the Dolphins to get points on every offensive drive.

 

Tua has 21 more yards than Mahomes in 58 fewer attempts and one less game.

 

Doesn't it seem different watching other teams now? Other than the Niners, our offense seems like it's more dynamic and more vertical in concept than other NFL offenses. I fully expect us to have success and that has me feeling good anytime we get the ball, but especially after the defense gets stops.

 

Reminding me of Marino years

 

Me, too. The biggest difference is that Marino used to frequently option out of running plays and McDaniel is doing a better job of maintaining pass/rush balance than Shula did. There were times when I used to wish Marino would stay with the rush, even feeling the play wouldn't succeed because if we had a halfway decent rushing attack, he would have gutted opponents with play action. But he trusted his arm more than he trusted his teammates' legs.

He was probably right to do so.

 

But their dislike of him isn't because of a missed evaluation. Their dislike at this point is because they blew their credibility by writing him off before he had a chance. They are digging in now, not because he sucks, but because they're extremely mad about being wrong. Even if they don't like the kid, they should appreciate the fact that he's winning. They're letting their pride throw dirt on their enjoyment of their TEAM playing well. So silly.

 

So, does this mean that Tyreek is a detriment to the team?

 

34/36 for 390 yards, 4 TDs 0 INTs is a 148.8 rating, not 130.

Not sure what the exact stats are for Tua without Tyreek, but context matters. If those stats occurred on down + distance and/or game situations where ratings tend to be higher (e.g., 4th quarter playing with the lead), then you can't directly compare. Also, don't forget sample size is very small so it's unreliable from that point of view alone.

I think however the important point is that Tua is playing well even without Tyreek.

 

Jesus, the Dolphins are 4-1. We’re 1st in the AFC East. Power rankings have the Dolphins anywhere between 4th and 6th in the league. We’re no longer a laughing stock and we’re still having this debate on Tua.

Can we please just enjoy the ride?

 

I'm trying. It's difficult, though, because I'm so used to this team letting me down.

 

Seriously though, when in the last 25 years have you ever seen a Dolphins offense like this? You have to admit this is very different from the past. We're the best offense in the league right now, both by points per game and by key passing stats. That is NOT the typical Miami that let you down in the past!

 

right, the ones talking about the people talking about Tua being bad are worse then the ones saying Tua is bad.

 

But but but but but he made a bad throw last game!!!!

 

All of ya’ll are driving me bonkers!!!

We’re 5-1. I wouldn’t care if it was Tua, Fiedler, Marino or Scooby Doo quarterbacking right now.

 

Any average QB could do that with Hill, Waddle, McDaniel and Achane, Mostert (add as you please). Certainly not due to Tua!!!

/sarcasm (like serious sarcasm)

 

If they'd all have the same stats, I'd definitely pick Scooby Doo. it would just be funny to see us beating opponents with a stoner cartoon dog.

 

I remember the days when Miami fans used to have to cherry pick nonsense stats to make Miami QBs look good, but now Miami has a QB that is leading just about all meaningful QB metrics. It's great to see!

 

I honestly feel bad for posters that have put themselves in a position where they cannot fully enjoy this offense.

 

A lot of no shows here the past two weeks.

 

I hate to say it but you'd have a hard time convincing me that there aren't at least a few posters wishing for injuries.....

 

A bunch. Wishing for injury (because that's the one valid concern they do have), and wishing for more Buffalo type games where a defense stifled our offense. It's fine though. Tua needs to keep proving himself. Great thing is he's doing exactly that!

Speaking of which.. Tua is doing MUCH better in avoiding injury it seems. There's realistic hope he starts all 16 games. We'll see.

 

btw.. here's something awesome. First time comparing Tua, Burrow and Herbert career passer ratings that Tua is at the top.

Tua: 97.9
Burrow: 97.7
Herbert: 96.9

Herbert is finally having a well above average season too. That 2020 draft is on track to be the best QB draft ever.

 

I‘m actually quite positive when it comes to his health and playing a full season. He looks different out there and he’s playing a lot smarter then years prior (sliding,throwing the ball away). Only time he looked shaky was against the Jills and the whole team didn’t look good that day. Great to see that his work seems to finally really pay off!

Dream scenario would be, if he stays healthy and takes a team friendly deal like Brady did. I think Tua is that kind of dude who’d leave some money on the table to have better teammates and more success.

 

Welp. Keyshaun Johnson said Tyreek Hill's greatness is suppressed because Tua doesn't have a strong enough arm to launch the ball 60 yards downfield. Hill's having his best season ever (and is on a historic pace). Imagine how much better his numbers would be with a better QB than Tua throwing the ball to him.

Like, maybe Patrick Mahomes.

 

Keyshawn has always been a punk.

 

MeShawn.

Typical of most former Jets.