Tua is not the Problem

The verbal judo isn't working.

 

LOL.... sure. 152 pages of arguing over Tua but nobody is saying he won't be successful. He at least has the balls to state his opinion.

 

Two of these guys will post 400 issues they have with Tua. Challenge every positive post then:
(but he could still be successful).

 

And, when they condescendingly call him "lil Tua", "scrambled eggs" and just straight up "dumb", then they try to tell you he can be successful and have no agenda.

Straight up bullshti. It's not fooling anyone.

 

No it keeps occurring because you and others have explicitly said you’re certain about the outcome. That you already have all the data you need. I shouldn’t have to dig up all those posts to prove that. It’s not just my perception. Others have commented on it too.

 

I love how he's now playing his zero sum game with the term "fool's gold" as if the ONLY application of that term is whether Tua is trash or elite.

It couldn't possibly be that he's an above average QB who "fools" people into thinking he's actually elite, because with the right circumstances he sometimes puts up a couple crazy quarters every couple of years.

 

Better than all y’all haters put together

Anytime you wanna put your money where your mouth is let me know

 

Just because I haven’t been here in a week or whatever don’t mean ****..I’ve been in this thread since the get and it gets tiring as hell when you keep ignoring the facts and visual evidence

 

You in a passive aggressive way has said that countless times

 

Again, some more "I'm not really saying what you think I'm saying" nonsense. It's not our job to decipher all your wrong uses of terms and sayings.

You guys are good at that.

 

this is your words

“Let's look at it this way, Tua has 2 tds in 11 quarters of play in that 3 game stretch.

What a ****ing stud”


That tells me all I need to know, can’t have it both ways and if he does it again and stays healthy doing so y’all are gonna have to man up

 

As I've said, I'm not going to add a "may" qualifier on every sentence regarding a future event. If you need this to feel warm inside, that's on you.

 

No need to as long as you qualify your stance when specifically challenged on it. It was that refusal to move away from Tua “won’t” succeed even after such a qualifier was sought that led to this latest back and forth (and note I wasn’t the one who asked). Hopefully in the future the answer is different. Otherwise you’ll just have to deal with more of the same critique.

 

Nope. It was a refusal to change a statement of opinion. You don't need to add "may" to a future event when discussing sports predictions.

That's a you and yours problem. Oh noes! Not more critique! Your critique has no meaning. Again with the self importance.

 

lol.. it's only an opinion of yours that what you wrote meant something totally different than how practically everyone who understands English would understand it. FinFaninBuffalo as well as TheHighExhaulted both interpreted it the same way I did. Furthermore it fits with stuff you've said in the past about how certain you are that Tua won't succeed. No you're not getting out of this with some "oh you just don't know what I meant" crap. You meant he "won't" succeed, period, no qualifiers. That you can't admit that is your problem.

 

I think it all depends on what your definition of success is. If the definition is becoming a true franchise QB and consistently elite player who wins one or more superbowls, then no, I dont think Tua can be successful in that way. However, if your definition of success is being an above average NFL QB who wins a superbowl with a superstar team around him, then yes I think Tua can potentially be successful in that way. There have been a lot of good but not great QBs that have won a superbowl.

I just dont think Tua has the talent level, elite tools, and durability to be a truly elite franchise QB.

 

I'm not criticizing that stance. In your case I'd criticize the stance that you claim you don't need any more data to know Tua won't be as successful as Herbert for example. Yes we do need more data.
https://thephins.com/threads/now-that-tua-is-officially-out.98003/#post-3528092

But I think what you just posted is reasonable.

 

It fits the stuff of how certain "I" am. That's correct. I am certain. Bingo!! However, I'm not looking for the stuff I'm certain of to become what you are certain of, or anyone else, or vice-versa. Additionally, you have no ability to alter what statements I am certain of, which is what this was.

The fact that you think I "need to get out of it" is so overwhelmingly indicative of your out of control ego. From your I told you people how to speak to now this. Get a grip man. Hopefully, you learn in your life no one cares about your opinion as much as you do.

 

lol.. hogwash. You definitely are trying to convince people of your view, and yes other people do have the ability to alter your view. Only someone with an unchallenged ego (yours?) would argue otherwise. Also, you do have a habit of trying to use one or another technical meaning of a word to "get out of it". There are tons of examples in this thread of that.

And thank you for finally admitting I was right saying you meant what you said when you said Tua won't succeed, with no qualifiers.

 

Attention other doubters!!!!! This is how you state your opinion. It is clear, concise, and contains no weasel words. Kudos hitman8!

I don't see things the same way as this but this is not a post I would argue with. I have a higher opinion of Tua, but I generally don't argue with predictions of the future, especially when those predictions are not based on factually inaccurate statements. It can lead to interesting conversations.

 

Exactly!

 

Go back to Club.

 

Careful - the Never Tua guys are anti-Judo now too since he's doing that to improve himself in the offseason.

 

Tua can't really do Judo. He just throws people to a spot. All his throws are pre-determined. He is throwing the opponent regardless of where the opponent is.
Trent Sherfield said so.

 

Whole lot of nonsense. And thank you for proving to me how important being right on an internet forum is to you. Hopefully you find some more important things soon and stop with your prentiousness.

 

lol.. says the guy who can't stop responding to me. Everything I said is true. And you've been trying to "win" this argument with a series of ad hominem attacks, not by providing evidence that what I said is false. I just demonstrated your waffling, from first denying that you were arguing Tua "won't" be successful, no qualifiers, to actually admitting it. Took a ton of posts to get you there, just like some past debates we've had, but you finally admitted what I said was true. And that's precisely why I took issue with your post.

 

nope, perhaps you need to go read comments again. quick release, reading the field, foot movement.....

 

Well played sir. First thing that has made me laugh in this thread in a long time.

 

Wowsa. So delusional. Even worse than I thought.

 

Yup more ad hominem attacks. Got nothing of substance, as usual.

 

no..

 

hopefully all the folks who are crapping on Tua has watched the MCdaniel interview talk about our qb.

if you have'nt you are not a fan of this team period.

to hear a coach with that offensive exp talk about the genius that is Tua should be enlighting to you.

it only reiterates what Ive said from the get that always gets people to disagree.

it takes more talent at QB to facilitate more talented skill players, thats why he wants to find players that can do things with the ball in their hands, because he knows he has a qb then can deliver the ball to those type of players at the right time and place.

 

Trent Sherfield, bro

 

"Whole Lotta Hedgin' Goin On"

 

That's exactly what you expect mcdaniel to say. All coaches and players are going to hype up their team and players in the off season. Doing media interviews and hyping up the team is part of their job, they are not unbiased observers expresing themseleves openly and honestly, so you should not take what they say as gospel or anything other than PR.

 

I was watching a 2022 Dolphins highlights reel this morning on YouTube. I just gotta say, and this is just my take on it, Tua sure made Sherfield look like a good receiver.

Will Josh Allen do the same? We shall see but if Sherfield is lined up against Ramsey or Howard, I’d say he has 1 chance in 3.

 

Wrong.

 

Again with this ridiculous if you don't agree with me, you aren't a fan of the team.

You're a different poster than you used to be, DJ.

There is a reason I never reupped my Club subscription.

 

I liked Trent and would have preferred him over Craycraft because of his size. I don't have an issue with what he said, only with how it has been twisted.

Trent Sherfield - "One thing that I know for certain is the timing. Miami was all timing. You had to be in the right spot at the right time. Quarterback was dropping back and he was letting the ball go, no matter if you were there or you werent. It's all timing and trust.

I know that is still kind of the same thing here with Buffalo as well too, but I think with Josh Allen with his ability to extend plays and to be able to make nothing out of something, I think that uh, but I know that I have to be ready for is that I can run a route and the ball might not come to me but that doesn't mean the route is over, like I have to be ready to do scramble drill, you know find soft zones and be quarterback friendly for Josh."

Sounds to me like Sherfield knows that Allen will not get the ball out on time and he needs to be prepared to run around and help out his QB after Josh screws up the play.

I love the "make nothing out of something" part.....

Josh Allen making nothing out of something:

 

Do people actually believe coaches when they say a player is in the best shape of their lives in training camp?