Tua is not the Problem

First thing we agree on. A completely ****ty pass blocking OL and a QB prone to concussions is a terrible combination.

The good news is that the OL is getting better and none of the head injuries were due to pass blocking breakdowns.

IMO, Tua needs to learn how to protect himself when getting hit. The two concussion were both when Tua was extending plays (something you claim he cannot. or does not do) and failed to protect himself.

 

There you go! Ignoring context and pretending like the OL, and coaching wasn't crap his first two seasons.

 

BTW:



take a guess who..... LOL

 

This. makes. no. sense........

He is smart enough to make quick decisions but not smart enough when taking more time? How the hell does that work?

 

No comments from the doubters on this? Bueller.... Bueller..... Bueller.....

 

The wonderlic! Even though there's little to no correlation between wonderlic scores and football production.

 

Must be someone with a very low IQ!

 

He got hurt the year prior as well.

I wish him well. Seems like a genuinely good guy.

 

It's not quick processing. It's just quick throws. That's where the spot thrower stuff comes in that Sherfield was talking about. The ball is going to the spot at a certain time no matter what. Tua isn't being asked to process on his own. That's when things go terribly wrong. Hell, I rarely if ever see Tua audible.

 

Tua doubters. Please watch this. It debunks all of your nonsense about "throwing to a spot" being some cheat code that Tua is using because his isn't good enough.

LOL @ the fact that three of the throws he goes crazy over are to the boundary (where he supposedly cannot throw it)

 

This is nonsense. Complete nonsense. Nobody calls a play where the ball gets throw no matter what, other than, maybe bubble screen plays.

Tua is reading the defense on every throw.

 

In the same way you can be dumb and financially successful, but being smart helps. For example Marino is dumb as rocks, but had the arm of a God. If he were smarter, maybe he would have been more successful. Who knows? Tua doesn't really have physical gifts like a Marino AND he is also dumb. He's also lacking a physical build that stays healthy. The cards are stacked against him.

 

OK. Well take your outrage up with Sherfield who said that and actually played with him.

 

We've moved on to "Tua is dumb" now.

 

Moved on? No shifting of goal posts. You've been replying to posts where i've been stating he's not smart. Then you replied with that article that makes a completely different point (ie you can be dumb/low wonderlic and successful in the NFL).

 

That is not what Sherfield said. He never said there is only one place to throw on any given play and it is predetermined. He said Tua is throwing to spots and it is the receiver's job to get to the spot on time. It is Tua's job to decide which of the spots to throw to and to get it there accurately and on time.

 

It also make the point that you can have a near perfect wonderlic score and be irrelevant in the NFL.

 

Yes, it was Tua's job, but this is Sherfield's exact quote, "QB was dropping back and letting the ball go no matter if you were there or you weren't."

 

Duh? Nothing guarantees success. You can be really smart and poor financially. It doesn't mean being smart isn't preferable or helpful.

 

Still does not say there is only one throw on a given play. Says NOTHING about reading the defense. Often he is throwing BEFORE the receiver even makes his break. He has to trust that the receiver is going to get there. He has to let the ball go before he knows the receiver will get there.

Here is another video.

Kurt Warner spent 25 minutes breaking down how Tua is reading the defense both pre-snap and post snap.

It is like you guys have never seen a film breakdown before.

 

Why are you running with this Trent Sherfield quote so hard? He clearly said he wanted to be back in Miami, Miami clearly didn't want him back because he wasn't key to their offense because of his inability to get off the line.

This is clearly what he's referring too, the fact that he referenced Allen can buy more time than Tua is an obvious advantage to his lack of skills off the line.

 

One season, out of like 7, going back to Alabama, IS an outlier. We are looking at Tua's historic performance.

 

Yet Shurfield says different.

He's probably never watched film either.

Your take is that there are NO issues with Tua? Seems to be, since anytime who criticizes Tua you just claim doesn't know what they're seeing.

Enough strawman arguments.

 

1. Getting hurt while extending a play means that you cannot extend plays. That is why Tua generally gets rid of the ball in under 2.5 seconds

2. If we get better oline play, I will be waiting to see how Tua does next season when teams take away the middle of the field again.

 

It's not as simple as that. If a receiver gets bumped at the line, and Tua is letting the ball go regardless. That's no good. That's not reading the field at all. There's also a difference between a timing play (what you are describing) and a timing offense. Sherfield said the latter. That's why when SF/GB/LAC started messing with his timing by bumping receivers and sitting in the middle of the field, Tua struggled mightily. He was forced to read the defense and make non-timing based decisions on his own. Tua can't throw to the sidelines well. He doesn't have the arm strength. He doesn't scramble well. You'll always be limited, and smart defenses will understand how to shut him down.

 

Another video documented TUA READING THE DEFENSE:

 

Uhh.. no. You don't mix college and NFL like that. Correlations are too low. If they were relatively high there wouldn't be such a massive number of busts in the 1st round of the draft. No, right now neither the 2022 season nor Tua's first 2 seasons could be considered an outlier by any stretch of the use of that term in statistics.

Need larger sample size.. in the NFL.

 

You can literally see the multiple reads, head and eye movements in these breakdowns.

 

Probably also why Tua ranks at the top in PFF's turnover worthy rate in his career. The ball is going to a spot whether you are there or not.

 

Please tell the percentage of passes thrown in under 2.5 for all the top QBs.

 

LOL.....

Before the concussion he was averaging 20 ypa against GB...... You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Not great, but better than Allen.

 

But Allen is a gunslinger and Tua is stupid......

 

You should bring Allen's college stats into the mix if you really want to ruffle some feathers, because that's where we're going now. College stats.

 

Not necessary. Allen has a career 92 passer rating. Tua has a 95.

 

If Tua wasn't feeling well, he should have taken himself out of the game. The doctors should have noticed. We really have no idea how the concussion impacted him during the game, but either way it's on him and no one else. He owns those bad stats. You don't get to cherrypick.

 

It's like they are intentionally ignoring things.

 

LOL. Okay. Then refer to all the stats that HE LED THE LEAGUE IN LAST SEASON.

 

Please watch the videos I posted. They completely debunk the nonsense that you two are saying.

Your interpretation of the meaning of what Sherfield said is wrong. Either you are wrong or JT O'Sullivan and Kurt Warner know less about playing QB than you do or they are making stuff up. Please explain which it is.