And it should be mentioned, that was 17 yrs ago, Tuna's new policy could be based on dealing with the Giants who indeed were coked up etc. The idea that "He put up with Taylor doing coke so he should put up with low character players 17 years later" is absurd in and of itself. People can learn, not even Belicheck is the same coach that he was with Browns because his later success has proven that is no longer the case............
Anderson= flavor of the year. Here we go again every year it's the same old song. Lets waste draft picks and cap money on a one year wonder. Because until he puts together a string of seasons like this thats all he is right now. And Andeson and the Browns will want picks and money like he's been doing this for years. Is Edwards , Winslow, Thomas and Lewis coming too? QBs are not developed over night. If Parcells feels Beck has the talent to be a starting QB next year than i certainly trust his judgement over anybody on here. And I'm not even a big fan of Parcells. But he is the first REAL qualified football man we have had in Miami since Jimmy Johnson.
I'm not saying he should put up with it 17 years later padre.I'm just saying he did,,,,,and i'm not saying i want any more punks on this team JP is all we need.
Believe me, we both understand the bottom line in the NFL is winning, if Satan could fit a helmet over his horns and ran a 4.1 forty he would be on the field faster then you could say "Ricky Williams"........
Derek Anderson is so far at least a "one year wonder". Except for the fact he did not play a whole good year. The truth is, when the Browns HAD to win games at the end of the year, he did not play well. Maybe some of it was defenses figuring him out, maybe he choked. I look at this another way. If Derek Anderson is so good, why would the Browns allow him too leave? If we traded for him, he would be "the" starter. If we drafted another rookie, then Beck and him could complete equally.
Chad Johnson sure. Derek Anderson, not really. Guy puts up ok numbers with a good offensive line, two young play-making big targets, and a dependable veteran RB. Out of all that, we may have only one of the three and that one is oft-injured. I want to try drafting a QB in the 1st round for once. Worked out well the last time we did it.
There really isn't much of a correlation between a successful QB and the round he's drafted in. Tony Romo, Jon Kitna, and Jake Delhomme went undrafted; Tom Brady, Derek Anderson, Matt Hasselbeck, and Marc Bulger are all 6th rounders; David Garrard is a 4th rounder. (I can go on, but the point is made.) In contrast, quite a few 1st round QBs haven't really worked out: Ryan Leaf, Byron Leftwich, Joey Harrington, and Michael Vick stand out as recent examples. There are QBs who the jury is out on: Jason Campbell (disclaimer: I like him), Aaron Rodgers, Alex Smith, Eli Manning, JaMarcus Russell. You can go back and say "Dan Marino was a first rounder so we should draft a first round QB," but when it comes to the draft, the past is not necessarily indicative of the future. The biggest problem with quarterbacks is not their draft positioning, but the nature of college offenses moving away from developing pocket passers and relying more on the shotgun. In the NFL, you HAVE to be a pocket passer. You can't succeed long-term any other way in the NFL. Find a QB who can work well as a pocket passer and you've got yourself a franchise QB.
Shotgun and spread offenses are quite prevalent in the NFL actually. There are many factors to consider when you wonder why one QB will be good and one will bust out. Team systems-you cant put a west coast type QB in a deep vertical attack offense and expect great results and vice versa Surrounding talent-hard to succeed when you have nobody to throw the ball too, whereas its nice to be able to wing it to a guy like Moss or TO all day. Player Mentality-Some guys just dont have the fortitude to be an NFL QB. Player Talent-Some guys just get way overhyped and, well, suck. Carr and Harrington for instance. All kinds of stuff goes into getting a good QB. Round certainly wont determine whether a QB will pan out to be a pro-bowler or not, but it seems if you gonna nail a top caliber QB, first rounders are usually a solid way to go. I mean, sure, its not a garuntee, but look where trades and 2nd round and below has gotten us .... nowhere. Not that Im advocating a first rounder here, just saying that to not take a QB and expect one to magically drop into your laps in a later round is asking for a lot.
The shotgun and the spread are present in the NFL, but they are by no means the entire offensive system, or even the feature of an offensive system. Look at Phillip Rivers play this year. He's at his best coming out of the shotgun. He makes his mistakes when in a pocket. In contrast, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are almost always in a pocket and make very few mistakes. Trading draft picks for other teams' QBs has definitely been bad for us. That's one reason we should avoid sending a 1st and 3rd to Cleveland for Anderson. But also, there's no guarantee that just taking a QB in the 1st round will automatically give you a franchise guy. Beck is our best shot at fixing the QB situation. Can we actually give him a chance, please?
We do new a playmaking WR but I dount it'll be him...as far as Anderson, I don't wanna trade away any picks, let alone a 1 and a 3 when we already have a young QB like Beck. Ozzy rules!!
yea but they might just let him go and give the job over to Quinn because anderson is going to want a Big Contract but i really dont think he is that great of a QB
I like Anderson just don't like what we'd have to give up for a guy that hasn't proven he can do it over a long period of time. If we improved the line and picked up Anderson I think our offense would be drastically improved over this year but those are pretty big ifs. I think Anderson is a very solid starter, Im not sure what Cleveland team people have been watching but I cannot remember the last time they were relevant, sure hes not doing it himself but hes been really good this year. Dismissing a player because of one game is weak, even Brady and Manning have bad games its not a huge issue, it happens. Hes got good size and a good arm, hes certainly NFL size with an NFL arm. He's made mistakes but for a guy thats young he showed a lot of promise.
I'm not as sold on Derek Anderson as other people, although he has all the physical tools. He just isn't very accurate and is lucky to be surrounding by some very good skill position players. I'm excited to see what Brady Quinn will do in that offense. I don't want Derek Anderson in Miami; John Beck will be just fine once he's given an opportunity to learn the offense (whichever that happens to be) and get a feel for the timing with his WR's (whomever they'll be). On Chad Johnson...I'd do whatever it reasonably would take to get Chad Johnson in a Miami uniform. He loves Miami and would relish a chance to play in front of his family in his hometown. He openly admitted that he would welcome an opportunity to play for the Dolphins. In his article in GQ, the writer declared his love of football trumped everything else and it was backed up by the Michael Smith piece in ESPN 60, their news magazine-style TV show. He is 100% committed to playing successful football and that's why he'd fit with Bill Parcells. Smith went as far as to say Johnson is obsessed about football. His blow-ups were the result the team's losses. Same thing with Moss in Oakland; it's hard to get up for work when you HATE working there. Scheme will determine whether they bring him or not. I have to believe that having two Z WR's would be redundant; I have to concede that. However, Johnson's route running, strength and hands would be an asset as a Split End (X WR). Bottom line, the Dolphins are talent deprived and need talent from whatever source they can find.
LMAO. I guarantee you someone reading this thread and thought....OMG that would be awesome!!1!! We need a nuts and bolts draft this year. Linemen on both sides of the ball.
?Or Lb's, we need so many things it is not even funny, we are not at "Expansion Team" levels, but we are a two players away from it... Ocho Cinco? McFadden? How about "no name but outstanding DT from SW Texas State"? I do think we could sell out this draft and put together a very potent offense, but our "D" would be....just horse flop...if we took a Guard, a Tackle, a Te and Wr if they started and played well, we could be a top ten type offense with a decent Qb. Ehh, what about: Matt Ryan and Ocho Cinco... BTW, Frank Ganz jr is out of work it is the fickle nature of fans to ignore ST, but that guy could turn that ship around ASAP, but here we are disccussing a Wr that we couldn't get the ball to... Funny old world.
Derek Anderson: The Brownies would be crazy not at least tender Derek at the 1st level, maybe even use the franchise tag. If Brownies let him walk; their nutz. Definitely, I'd bring him for a look see; if Beck can't handle the competition then Beck doesn't belong in the NFL period.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=8627 For those that want Anderson, please take a look at his stat splits for the season (above). Games 1-8 were outstanding. HOWEVER, 9-16 his QB rating was 73 and his passes per attempted pretty dreadful. In fact, based on his second half his stats fall strikingly similar to Cleo Lemon. This with two of the best weapons in the NFL with Edwards and Winslow and a much improved O-line. Perhaps NFL Defenses have figured out some of his weakness? I am firmly against trading for this guy if it involves a sniff of a first day pick. As for Ocho Cinco, I would love to have this guy opposite Ginn. I also saw him as less disruptive than Owens or Moss, but his stats are in the same range. I'm not in love with some of his antics, but I'm confident a heart to heart with Parcells and a strong coach could curb some of that. Personally, I wouldn't want to do that much because this team is in desperate need of some fire on both sides of the ball. I am concerned that he does lack game to game consistency, which may or may not be team issues rather than Johnson's play. I won't pretend to know that answer. However, fact remains, the best teams in the league have strong number one receivers. It's not as important as finding a good QB, but if you saw how Moss , Wayne, Harrison and Owens open up an offense, you would put it pretty high on the needs list.
I don't quite consider Anderson a successful QB yet. He had half a year of quality play and then fell hard. And this with great weapons at his disposal and a very much improved OL and RB. And you do have to note that there are many QB's not drafted in the 1st round. Those you mention are akin to finding a diamond in the rough. Otherwise no QB's would ever be taken in the 1st round by that line of argument. We had a shot at a guy who ran his offense in college out of the pocket but chose a kick returner and 2nd option WR instead.
They chose a WR who has a good shot at being special and a QB they felt was better or just as good as Quinn. I'd go for that 10 out of 10 times.
Stop trying to trade for other people's QBs. We need to just let our guys develop so that we can use those picks on other places.
Derek Anderson is a fraud Look at Derek Anderson's declining passer ratings throughout the season. The first 7 games of the season he had a passer rating of 100+ 4-times. In the last 9 games of the season, he had no 100+ passer ratings, he cracked 90+ once! He had two games with passer ratings in the 50s, which is awful, and 4-games of 75, or less, which is poor in the modern NFL. There are 16 quarterbacks in the NFL with higher passer ratings for the season then Derek Anderson, and not many of them have Braylon Edwards, Jamal Lewis, Kellen Winslow, Joe Jurevicious, Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, etc, catching, running, or blocking for them. Anderson was so unremarkable in Baltimore they cut him. He was so unremarkable in Cleveland until this season they drafted Brady Quinn. Oregon quarterbacks haven't exactly been money in the NFL--Joey Harrington, Akili Smith, Kellen Clemens, A.J. Feely, etc. Like Tedford quarterbacks they struggle, and Anderson is beginning to struggle as defenses get tape on him.
I'll wait on Beck. I'm not giving up anymore picks. Oh, and for those who think us not picking up Moss was a mistake, he might have had 1 or 2 TD's if he was a Fin this season. I'm sure he would have been real happy with that. Brady to Moss couldn't fail. It was a great move for them.... not us.
