Week 14: Dolphins vs Chargers Flexed To Sunday Night Football

What a piece of crap. That's 2 games in a row Tua lost it for us. Well, this game I'd say it was 85% his fault last game 95%. Either he figures this crap out or "choker" is correct.

Season isn't over yet. Find a way to beat Buffalo and it's still a season. But man, seriously disappointing.

 

Tua crapped the bed now two games in a row, but Herbert isn't that good either. He's been mostly average this year. I wouldn't go around acting like Herbert is some great QB just because Tua did poorly.

 

Did you watch the game tonight? It was painfully obvious who the better QB is.

How many lame duck throws do yo need to see from Tua? Herbert made throws tonight that Tua has never been able to make.

 

Herbert was way better than Tua today. Almost any QB would have been way better than Tua today. Doesn't change the fact Herbert has played mostly at an average level this year. LA fans should be concerned. Herbert has regressed in year 3 with no obvious sign of improvement. That's of course a totally separate story from what happens to Tua.

But Herbert isn't the answer. That much is starting to become clear. Burrow is so far the one clear winner from that draft.

 

You’re out of your mind.

 

Yeah, I'm going to make other things in my life a priority now. I can catch highlights of games if the Phins have a surprise win, but until major changes like a new owner/GM/Coach/QB happen? Nothing will get better, except as an illusion.

 

Guy has a 93.2 rating even after today, after 561 passing attempts. League average is 90.2. That 93.2 is worse than his first 2 years. I'm not out of my mind. That's not anything close to the level of QB play you need to win a SB (except on rare occasion).

 

As usual, you are just looking at stats, and ignoring many injuries and terrible defense the chargers and Herbert have had to endure this season.

I am not looking at stats, I am looking at both quarterbacks attributes, the throws they can and can't make, their limitations, etc... And it's just obvious Tua is much more limited in what he can do from a talent point of view compared to Herbert.

 

Forget the Tua vs Herbert comparison for once. Just look at Herbert alone and ask why the wins aren't there. No excuses for him too after multiple years. We'll see what he does in the playoffs (if he gets there!).

 

He has been missing his top two recievers and top two offensive tackles and his starting center for most of the year. He was also dealing with a rib injury for multiple games earlier in the year, and his defense has been absolutely terrible for most of the year, his head coach has also made some boneheaded situational calls which have cost them games.

If you can't see how those factors affected his play compared to his first two years I don't know what to tell you, either way, even with all their issues, Herbert has been carrying the team so far.

 

Of course those are factors that affect his play. Point is, there's no sign of improvement with Herbert. I think you have to admit that too. His play his first 2 years wasn't sufficient either. It was solidly above average, but not elite. Burrow is another story.

 

It’s kind of crazy to think we went from MVP chants in the stands at our last few home games for Tua and in some places there was talk of McDaniel on the list for coach of the year. Now we’re running them both out of town. Yikes. That escalated quickly didnt it. These last two weeks sure sucked.

 

Life in the NFL. There were people that said we only did it because of how soft our schedule was and now those people are being proven to be correct. I didn’t want it. I don’t think anyone here did but it’s December and this team is going down in flames yet again.

 

Never bought into the hype. Beating up on bad defenses while you have the human cheat code on your team is not impressive to me. Thay have to show up against the good defenses and in the big games which they never have.

 

Yep and well deserved. I was excited about TUA mid season but now I'm not sold on him being the franchise QB. He's looked and played really bad last few weeks. Were a .500 team IMHO won a few we probably shouldn't have but ill take em. However I think this loss is going to be the nail in the playoffs coffin. We are not beating Buffalo so we will be 8-6 after next week. Than Green Bay we win. 9-6, we lose to patriots on the road 9-7, and we beat the jets. 10-7 season. We miss the wildcard because of tie breakers.

We need A LOT OF HELP on both sides of the ball and 2023 is going to be brutal schedule wise. NFC EAST and AFC West.. They need one hell of an offseason or its going to be ugly again.

We need to fire Boyer he sucks, and his defense MAKES everyone look awesome regardless of who's at QB. We need massive Oline help and a real running back, We need Linebackers / safetys / and cover corners. We need Defensive ends who can get to the QB.

it was fun for a few weeks but now i just feel were overmatched and im not going to get upset at this team we are just the same old dolphins with lipstick.

 

There isnt a GM or coach in the league that would take Tua over Herbert, not even McDaniels.. herbert is clearly better… but i didnt need this game to convince me, ive seen it since his rookie season with Anthony Lynn.. herbert arm talent and arm strength alone would have this current dolphins offense rolling.. not to mention hes just bigger, stronger than tua, he can place the ball in spots with anticipation that tua cant reach because of the arm strength disparity.

with that said, tua has shown he is capable to manage the offense well enough to score points..

there was drives today that we just shot ourselves in the foot. For example. We just scored and then we follow it up with a momentum sack on herbert.. it looked and felt like we were gonna drive down again for another score.. we had a playaction completely destroyed due to the line, tua had to rush the ball out of play.. then we followed it up with a false start.. now we are at 3rd and 14.. it was just awful..

 

I will stick with my prediction of an 8-9 season. As badly as Rogers is playing , he will have enough to shred our defence. And that was the only game you might have seen us winning. Next week will be bloody!

 

Yeah as well as Derwin Freaking James AND one of their starting corners were out tonight.
Saying Herbert isn’t very good is just pure insanity. Most passing yards through 3 seasons in NFL history.

 

Just watched the game and the only thing worse then the game itself was the commentary. Funny how even here people make excuses for Herbert and the Chargers, which they don't for Tua and the Dolphins. Two bad games from Tua now, let's see how we fare against the Jills in Buffalo...

 

I traveled into the future to get the highlights for the Bills game.

 

After the Bills loss this weekend, we basically have to win out to make the playoffs. If we don’t make it, coupled with the fact that Grier leveraged the future to win now, we’re screwed. We’re talking all time blunder if that happens with the amount of draft capital we had and potentially squandered.

 

Really bad game. The officiating was a joke. This road trip seems like it's going to take the wind out of the sails. The last three games are going to be a big test for this team. Do they rise up or do they crumble?

It looks like teams have figured out McDaniel and Tua. Bid adjustments are going to be needed from both to salvage this season.

Boyer has got to go. The defense played good alot of the game but just became very predictable and Herbert took advantage with the dump off and quick passes. He had to see they were adjusting to it.

Buffalo hasn't looked that great the last couple of weeks. Here's hoping for a shocker. If not, business needs to be taken care of back at home for two of the last three games and against an inferior Patriots team.

 

Fell alseep watching the game last night...haven't been feeling that well so I missed pretty much the entire 4th quarter, but based on what I saw, here's MY take on last night's game.

SOMETHING is going on with Tua...and its something I've noticed since the bye. Against Houston, he initially wasn't sharp missing a few early passes that would have been EASY passes to complete prior to the bye. I just chalked it up to shaking off some rust. Against the 49ers? Ok, he's playing against the number 1 defense in the league. Hell San Francisco's been ripping off wins more than the federal government rips us off. Last night though? San Diego's defense isn't great at all. In fact, I would say they are worse than ours and yet, Tua had some passes that were OFF!!! I can overlook passes that hit the receivers and they don't make the catch...I can overlook passes that were off target by literally inches, but when you have some passes that are off by a country mile?

Additionally, the playcalling left a bit to be desired. As was pointed out, it seemed the Chargers D found a kink in the Dolphins' armor by dropping back linebackers taking away the bread and butter of the Dolphins' passing game. I don't blame Tua for this...I blame McDaniel for not making adjustments. When you have a new head coach...when you have a new scheme that's running wild and having great success, after a while, the weakness will be exposed. Think back to the Sparano days and the Dolphins running the Wildcat. We were destroying defenses left and right...shocking and destroying the Patriots when we first presented it. After a while however, the kink in the Wildcat's armor was discovered and it was no longer effective. McDaniel has to be able to adjust the over the middle passing scheme otherwise, defenses are going to be shutting us down left and right. Buffalo has 2 games in a row on how to shut down Miami's offense. McDaniel can't keep doing the same thing when facing the same defense.

I was truly concerned, though optimistic about the west coast road trip. Although the actual numbers may say differently (whether or not they do, I don't know) but it sure seems like based on MY experiences watching the Dolphins for 50 years, Miami doesn't do well traveling to the west coast. It always seems like a loss and I was fearful of this...though optimistic we COULD pull out a win if not 2.

Capt "Wild Bill" Wichrowski has the phrase, "Attitude is Everything" emblazoned on the deck of the Summer Bay. Its 100% correct...attitude IS everything. The final game of this brutal road trip is coming up. Do the Dolphins possess the attitude to overcome or have they already been mentally defeated? We'll find out Saturday night.

 

I agree a lot of it is McDaniel. He hasn't been able to adjust mid game. I'm worried about him, if you watch him during the game his hands are always violently shaking when he puts the play sheet over his mouth to call the play. He might not be ready for the big time yet.

 

Well he's a rookie head coach. For all of the talk here about whether or not Tua is the guy, or the OL this and the defense that...everyone has to remember that McDaniel is a ROOKIE himself. Most rookie head coaches don't fair well their first season. I stated this as my BIGGEST concern during preseason. Now he has A LOT of experience on offensive coaching staffs and he's been with Shannahan for the last 17 years. Now that's a good and bad thing.

Good because he has the system down pat. He knows it inside and out. Bad because it may hinder him from being able to see outside the box and make necessary adjustments.

We're just going to have to see how he deals with adversity as much as the players and if he can overcome it.

 

If people want to make excuses for Tua's bad play they should also make excuses for Herbert not having all his offensive weapons. I've watched a few of his games and he is pretty dang good.

 

have to admit i was stunned we didnt try to run the ball more. How about some simple slants ? Seems like every play was some attempt to the middle of the field.

 

The sad thing is that the Chargers are so bad, they tried to give them another shot at the game TWICE with the fumble at the goal line and the bobbled onside kick. Ball unfortunately didn't bounce the Dolphins way.

 

It sucks, i wanted to and was starting to believe.

 

It almost seems like he’s seeing double, post concussion, and throwing to what he thinks is the “actual” receiver. There’s no other way to explain why his accuracy has fallen off a cliff.

Boyer should have been fired after the play call that gave SD a touchdown. They should leave him in California.

 

If Tua’s accuracy was so far off immediately following his return from concussion protocol, I could accept that but he’s been lighting up the league until these last 2 games…so I can’t see residuals from his concussion being the issue

 

I don't make excuses for any QB. Not Tua, not Herbert. Herbert hasn't taken a team to the playoffs yet. It's fine to crap on Tua after the last two games, but Herbert hasn't shown he's anywhere near elite either. He may "look" good sometimes, but the results aren't there (yet).

 

….and Marino never win a SB. He was not elite.

 

Marino took the team to the playoffs a ton of times and his stats adjusted for era are far better than Herbert's. However, it is true he underperformed in the playoffs and there's really no excuse for him not winning at least 1 SB. I think that places Marino below some other elite QBs like Young, Montana, Rodgers, Brady, Brees and Manning.

Let's not compare Herbert to any of those elite QBs. Right now the only QB that has the potential to join that list is Mahomes, but he'll have to perform at a high level for 7-8 more years or so.

 

Maybe he took a shot in the Houston game that triggered something. I can’t believe that a precipitous drop in accuracy is due to “playing in prime time”. Not even Andy Dalton or Kirk Cousins fall off this badly from Sunday afternoons to nationally televised games.

 

His drop in performance is due to playing better defenses who are getting pressure and dropping linebackers and safeties into the middle of the field to take way his bread and butter middle of the field throws.

Defenses have figured out how to play Tua and what his weaknesses are.

 

Looking good, bro.

 

Did you see Marino play? The teams he was on had no defense. If not for him Dolphins would likely have never had winning season.

 

He had his ankle rolled up on in that game. If he can't plant that explains a lot of of target throws.

 

Most years true, but there are enough years he played with a very good defense. In 1983 the Dolphins defense was #1 in points allowed. This was also the year after we went to the SB in 1982. In 1984 we were ranked #7. That was Marino's record breaking year. There's really no excuse for not winning that year: #1 in offense and #7 in defense is better than most SB winners.

In 1990 we were #4 in defense, in 1998 we were #1, but sadly Marino was a shell of himself by that time. That's 1/4 of his career he played with a top defense. It's not as bad as some make it out to be.

And 9 out of 16 (or 16.5 if you include 1993) years we played with a defense that was ranked 16 or above. So I think we would have made the playoffs maybe 3-4 times without Marino but not gone deep. We went 10 times with him and went deep 3 times. No doubt an elite QB, but he underperformed in the playoffs and he was part of the reason we didn't win a SB.