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Source: Parcells considering keeping Cameron

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Nublar7, Dec 31, 2007.

  1. ChambersWI

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    as I have said countless times. I was always open to Cam, BUT he's lost my support as weeks have gone on because some of his decisions were... for lack of a better word, puzzling. And in most cases, infuriating.

    Do I like the rookies he gave us? yes, but if you think we went into full rebuilding mode at the start of the season, you're kidding yourself. Rebuilding teams don't go out and sign Joey Porter or Vonnie Holliday to big contracts. Traylor would not have come back if we were rebuilding. We would not have come to the season with basically our entire corp from the past couple years (minus 2 or 3 players).

    Now I like some of what Mueller and Cam did. They got us out of cap hell. They, for the most part, filled the team with good character guys. The guys they drafted are all good character. And between 07 and 08 we'll have had more draft picks than we did in the 5 years prior (I'm only half joking).

    Now Cam's coaching on the other hand, I do not like. I think part of it is him not being ready to be an NFL HC, but I also think part of it is that he did not get to assemble is own staff (he brought in a couple of his guys like Shea and Robiskie, but he had to keep Capers,Houck{though that's probably good} and Armstrong among others) Plus Cam thinking he could handle play calling duties. If Cam does come back, he has to create his own staff. NO playing OC, no keeping Capers or Armstrong.
     
  2. TheMageGandalf

    TheMageGandalf Senior Member

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    There is no way in hell he will be HC of another team this year.

    I dont care if he gets let go tomorrow. Those teams might interview him but I SERIOUSLY doubt that anyone will touch him this offseason for a HC position if ever. His only chance is to be OC again and do that job well again for a year or two before he gets serious consideration...again.

    The point was that the guy will NOT be out of job for long as either someone's OC or staff member (its possible he might drop as far as QB's coach this year) in any capacity other than HC (because like I said before, it isn't going to happen this year). If the league has an explicit rule that prevents a team from re-hiring a HC to another position, so be it.
     
  3. #1dolphinsfan

    #1dolphinsfan New Member

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    i agree that why we suck so bad we cant keep one coach
     
  4. SaskFinFan

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    Cam will not be fired until after the last college bowl game (all-star game) so that the Dolphins can have representation, first hand looks at the all the studs. From what I have heard if Cam is fired we lose the opportunity to coach/evaluate the college players first hand. At least I think that is the way it works.
     
  5. Mr772

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    Injuries happen they are not an excuss to loose. Its not like we lost Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. You can't expect to go through a season with your team playing "lights out" all the time and not having anyone miss games because they are hurt.
     
  6. Mr772

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    We can't keep keep one coach or we havent had a good coach in such a long time? I think you can say that this team is still in the rut created by Dave Wanstead and we kept him for quite some time the longer you keep a lousy coach the more damage gets done.
     
  7. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Slow down. The title of the thread is a little off; that's all.

    If you are actively looking to replace someone, will do so as soon as you can find a suitable replacement, and will only keep him if no one else qualified can be found, you've already decided to fire him and are simply being the ultimate pragmatist. You're not "considering keeping him."
     
  8. calfinfan

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    If Cam stays, he must sell assistant coaching changes to Parcells and explain what he'll do different next year. If, he's convinicing enough he stays, otherwise he's gone.

    Perosnally I think he stays. He had a plan and stuck with. Even with all the losses. The team kept playing as well. The problem with the veterans was the losing, if we win all that goes away.

    Cam needs to make the the staff to his liking with input from Parcells. IMO we need a new DC, ST, and Secondary Coach. Houck comes highly recommended, however, I haven't seen the magic he was suppose to perform. Yes, we have an average OL, but a coach with the rep of Houck should have them performing at a more consistent level REGARDLESS who he has to work with.
     
  9. finfan1966

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    I totally agree with what you said. I don't know why fans are willing to give Cameron another chance. I guess going 1-15 wasn't enough for them. Maybe going 0-16 would of been better for some fans to wake up and smell the coffee. This coach is terrible! If we would of had a decent coach I think the fins would of had a chance to preserve the Dolphins undefeated record. Also if it wasn't for Baltimore's kicker missing that field goal - Cameron would of made this team the worst in history.

    Cameron never did what he was suppose to do when he took over this team. The offense is still just as bad and he takes way to long to play the young players. Why did it take almost the whole season before Booker was activated? Why did it take half the season to see Ginn on offense? Isn't that what the off season is for?

    I hope Parcells fires this guy before the end of the week!
     
  10. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    That right there is the crux of this whole story.
    I don't think Parcells (and, I assume, Ireland's) offensive philosophy fits with what Cameron does.
    I think the only way Cameron stays is if he agrees to give up complete control of the offense and fall in line with the Parcells philosophy. I don't think either man will want it that way, but we will see.
     
  11. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    The longer we go without hearing something, the more I fear Cameron may stay.
    If Cameron is gonna be fired, you gotta believe we'll hear something by the end of tomorrow, don't you?
     
  12. Onehondo

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    Was anyone else concerned about the way Cameron handled the preseason? I was, because it seemed like he wasn't interested or serious about the preseason games. He admitted he didn't game plan for the games and he didn't even coach the last game letting an assistant coach it. Him being a new head coach he certainly needed the experience and why did he set his vets for those games? I don't know maybe its just me but it seemed like the whole team went into the season flat. All the yers I have been a Dolphins fan I have never seen a preseason handled that way.
     
  13. FinFn1372

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    John Clayton just reported on espn that the talks between Cam and Bill will continue tomorrow.He stated that Bill hadn't made a decision on whether to keep Cam or not.
     
  14. padre31

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    But how many of them are do to Cam's camp regiment?

    Does it make sense to rely on a Rb and Qb who have a recent history of being injured?
     
  15. Nublar7

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    I have a feeling Cameron will stick around.
     
  16. FinFn1372

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    I have the same feeling,but maybe it's not such a bad thing.The one thing I like about Cam is he seem's like he's dedicated to turning this thing around,he could have easily tucked and ran.
    But I can understand both sides of the arguemant he does have the tendecy to piss you off from time to time.My gripe is the 'rookie' mistakes that seemed to be made week after week,and with the talent and the loss due to injurie's we don't need that kind of help.If he stay's I support him,if he leaves i'll wish him luck.
     
  17. cnc66

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    I wonder.. many of you Parcell fans have been salivating over him bringing in his "own" coach, then y'all go on to say how skilled Parcells is at personnel and he will SAVE us, etcetera.. so, having all that trust in bad Bill, WHY would you question him keeping Cam? why would Bill be the smartest man alive until he picked someone unpopular with you. It would surprise the hell outta me but what if? would we hear how "there were no other choices" and the like?

    inquiring minds wanna know.
     
  18. phinphever

    phinphever Punk, Make My Day!!

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    What if Cameron stays?

    One thing for sure, I am going to reserve judgment on Cameron. I'm not sure why but I trust Bill Parcells. If he wants to get rid of Cameron then so be it. I would rather keep an offensively minded coach. I think cameron got a raw deal. this team was a trap waiting to happen. I don't think any coach was going to be sucessfull this year in miami. All the vetrans other than zach, jt and a few others were all a bunch of bums who probably couldn't make it any other nfl roster.
     
  19. Coral Reefer

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    I am thouroughly convinced that this would be a HUGE mistake.

    Last night at an event with a number of Dolphin players I heard some of the disrespect towards and the serious doubt of Cameron in conversation.

    The rumors of the vets having zero confidence in him are not rumors at all. Hopefully, Tuna talks to players to guage what it is exactly that made Cam lose this team. If he does I don't see Cam staying.
     
  20. ChambersWI

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    if we keep Cam, I won't be happy, but I will bite my tongue. However, if the staff doesn't have massive changes (ie new cordinators) I will lose it
     
  21. RGF

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  22. adamprez2003

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    Normally that might be a concern but how many "vets" are going to be here whether its Cameron or Parcell's new coach. I think Parcells will bring in his new guy but there is a chance that he keeps Cameron however small. Personally I was very impresseed with the rookie coach
     
  23. Phins28

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  24. RevRick

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    Hopefully, we might be getting away from "snappy one line comebacks" and attempting to employ more of our neural synapses in finding a way out of this morass which has been accumulating for the past seven seasons.
     
  25. Dtronic

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    VERY interesting but not surprising. Thanks for the news.

    Would these be vets that have a good chance of being here next year????
     
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  27. MrClean

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    I find it very hard to believe there are no other choices who could possibly be better than Cam.
     
  28. Conuficus

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    Well away from here

    And I find it hard that are no other choices worse than Cam: for instance, anyone want Mike Mularkey running the show?
     
  29. Phinfan31

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    Um. Worst post ever.

    Yeah, we should hire another stopgap coach to change up all our **** another year who will be fired immediately after 08 is over. That would certainly help our team develop.

    Cam should be kept here because there is no one out there as a candidate that would be here for the long term. The next coach we hire should be a Cowher caliber. Hes likely to come out of retirement next year and I think he'd be a better fit than any of the stopgaps we could hire this year. We'd have to fire 2 coaches back to back and we havnt done it once in like 40 years. Soo to answer your question. HELL no.
     
  30. GridIronKing34

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    Give me a break... Why are fans willing to give Cameron another chance? Maybe because we see a bright light at the end of the tunnel. You want to call me an optimist? Fine? I'll gladly call you a pessimist because you sure aren't a realist. In fact, there is NO such thing as a realist because you see things one way or the other! You don't see "reality" until reality actually happens. And then what? What if what you think is "reality" doesn't actually happen? What if your "realist" state of mind that Cameron is for sure a goner happens to be wrong? So much for that because the your idea of reality didn't really happen!

    This is such a joke, plenty of coaches have gone 1-15, but still wound up doing well for themselves. Chuck Noll, Jimmy Johnson, to name a few. Although most will bring up the fact that, "Cameron failed at Indiana, therefore he's a failure at HC!"... This is really not true because let's face it, up until this year, Indiana has been a terrible college football program from day one. Cam's first year at Indiana was terrible, it really was. He averaged 10.9 points per game on offense, while his defense let in 32.6 points per game. That's pretty bad, I know. But the next year? Cameron DOUBLED his offensive production, bringing in 22.2 ppg, while allowing 27.7 ppg. That's a pretty big improvement IMO, Instead of going 2-9, he went 4-7. The two years we're much different, his offense improved, but he didn't win any more games, going 4-7, then 3-8 while racking in 26.4 and 30.6 ppg in each of those years. His last year was Indiana was his best year, he went 5-6 while churning 27.7 points, while his defense allowed 27.1 points per game. We're talking about a piss-poor football program here, his defense allowed 21.7 more points per game than his offense his first year at Indiana... His last year? Pretty remarkable IMO, as his offense actually scored more points per game than his defense, a mere .6 per game, but nonetheless.

    But let's face it, we're talking about professional football. This isn't like college football where program turnarounds take a good amount of time. A pro football team can go from rags to riches in 2-3 years, which I think Cameron is capable of. Again, most of you will probably look at this and say, so what, he still sucked at Indiana. Well let's be honest here, Cameron was put in a crappy program to begin with, you can't expect much results when you have to compete with OSU and Michigan, let alone others like Wisconsin, Penn State, Illinois, and Iowa... among others. Back in the 90's, the Big Ten was much stronger.

    Oh please. Cameron never did what he was suppose to do when he took over the team? Did you honestly expect playoffs? Really? This is a terrible football program right now, Saban patchworked the defense and did nothing for the offense. He didn't bring in much, let's look at his drafts here... Ronnie Brown? He's a player, no doubt, but how can you mess up the number two overall pick? Matt Roth? Looking more and more like a rotation DE. Channing Crowder? Looking to be a promising LB, but who knows... Travis Daniels? Please... Next draft.. Jason Allen? Another first round pick, he's looking to be a very promising safety, but was it Cameron that turned him around? Cameron won't play someone until he feels he's ready, that's how Cameron is. Derek Hagan? That pick isn't looking too great now. Did he draft anyone really that great? Rod Wright is looking promising, but c'mon! Terrible drafts from the past haunted us and you expect Cameron to come in like a god of some sort and turn this program around in one year?

    As far as "seeing the rookies on offense"... You have honestly got to be joking on how you just want to see them, don't care whose ahead of them, don't care who should be playing... just you want to see them. Ted Ginn Jr. was behind two respectable starters in Chris Chambers and Marty Booker. When a deal came up that would send Chambers to the Chargers for a second round pick, that propelled Ginn into the line up, which he showed he can play WR. As far as Lorenzo Booker goes, if he wouldn't have missed the entire preseason due to family issues, maybe that would have changed. Cameron won't play players until they are ready, you can think that's stupid or whatever, but it's how he works. I think it's a great idea because you're making the player work for playing time instead of just "giving" it to him. When Booker knew the offense well enough to help the team, he was played. If you wanna say "we just ran out of RBs..." then fine, but ask yourself, why wasn't Cobbs playing instead of Booker when he was healthy too?

    I hope Parcells never takes your advice in this subject.
     
  31. lbmclean_sj

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    too funny to be believed!!!

    if the Falcons hire Cam, they won't sell one season ticket
     
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    If we keep cam, then we have to find a good DC who can lead this defense. As it stands, capers has failed at that. He will get the axe for sure. Cam is not a bad guy, he just doesnt have that type A personality who can keep a team together. But, then again, what head coach could keep this poor excuse for a team together. If anything, Cam should get props for that. He tried to do that right thing, bring John in there when lemon wasnt producing. He had no choice to remove John, because, if he had left him in there, there was a good chance this team would have gone 0-16. Now who wants that? Not me?
     
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    My oh my oh my, how the mighty have fallen! Go Pats!
     
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  35. MDFINFAN

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    so we go thru another offense, and change the criterial of what kind of players fit that O, which of course now we've wasted another draft..yea, Cam first year and no more, yea right, I think he deserves one more, he should have learned a lot from this one. You woiuld have fired Bill P. after his first year too.
     
  36. Coral Reefer

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    I don't think it really matters whether the vets will or will not be around although it's hard to imagine all I had access to talk with would be gone. Point is that none were impressed with him on any level. If they weren't then why would anyone else be. That's the point IMO.

    I was very unimpressed with a number of things which have been discussed ad nauseum.
    Bottom line is that we'll see soon enough.
     
  37. Coral Reefer

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    Some, maybe all.
    But then again, if they do keep him they may need to completely clean house because it seems like Cam would have to spend an exuberate amount of time mending fences if he and some of these guys stay.

    I'll share my favorite comment.

    One player asked another while laughing to tell the person they were speaking to his word for Cameron. The players response..... "idiot". He then turned and walked away. :lol:

    Further, I'll just nip the "this guy is making this stuff up" comment I"m sure I'll get in the butt.
    I've been on these boards for 5 years. I've never claimed to be any type of insider nor do I go around posting rumor mill type stuff. I'm posting this to share with you guys on here something I happened to be in the right place at the right time and with the right person to hear this insight. Believe it happned or not is up to you.
     
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  38. TiP54

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    So this will be what...3d coach in four years?
     
  39. finfan1966

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    You were impressed with Cameron? Let me guess was it the 1-15 record that impressed you the most? Was it benching Ronnie the first two games? Was it Trent Greens 7 interceptions? Was it not playing the young play makers that we drafted until the end of the season? Was it his play calling that lost us a few games? Was it that he knew Ginn's family and thats why we passed on better players in the first round?

    Yes I was definitely impressed with Cameron as a coach. I can't wait to see what he does to improve!
     
  40. phinphever

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    In responce to the benching of ronnie brown, he wasn't benched. Cam called him out and tried to motivate him and it worked. be had the best 5 game span of his career. I give some credit to cam for that call. No one else seems to have been able to motivate ronnie, if your gonna blame cam for all the bad thing that happened on the team then you have to give him credit for all the good things. Can't have it both ways.
     

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