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Week 9:Dolphins vs Bears

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatik, Nov 1, 2022.

  1. Fishhead

    Fishhead Well-Known Member

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    The thing is, there aren’t many good teams with good defenses. There’s a lot of mediocrity out there. Who scares you in the AFC?
    The Bengals- depends on whether they show up
    The Bills - already beat them
    The Jets - not yet
    The Chiefs - yep
    The Titans - no
     
  2. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    A win is a win… got a lot of stuff to clean up defensively.. next week, we gotta focus on stopping the Browns run game and just force Jacoby to make plays.. if we leave the receivers on an island so be it.. but we can not let teams run on us like they did today..

    The Fact we didnt adjust in the second half is worrisome..
     
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  3. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    You bring up the first three quarters as if they have anything to do with what hitman is saying. The first three quarters are like the regular season. Tua does great. The fourth quarter is like the playoffs. The defense played tough, there's pressure, and Tua didn't come through. That's what hitman is saying. Hell, it's what the anti-Tannehill crowd argued for years. Now for some reason, it doesn't apply to Tua.

    I'm pretty ecstatic with Tua, though. We wouldn't even be talking about this if the defense wasn't two day old sht, and could hold some teams to under 30 points. So, for me, we need to fix this freaking defense. The defense is the unit that is not performing.
     
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  4. cbrad

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    But in the Ravens game Tua played lights out in the 4th quarter but bad in the first 3. So either way he gets criticized. Regardless, Tua's shown he can play well when it counts. He's done that multiple times now.
     
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  5. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    It should apply to Tua if there is a history to back it up
     
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    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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  7. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I'm not talking about level of play, I'm talking about when arm strength issues tend to show up.

    This has nothing about if Tua can play well.
     
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  8. cbrad

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    That floater at the end today wasn't an arm strength issue. That was a decision making mistake by Tua. He has the arm to make the throw. He just isn't adjusting properly yet for WR speed. Don't bet on him not fixing that as time goes along.

    The few cases where arm strength issues really show up are so few and far between that it's not affecting overall passing efficiency much. The guy is playing at an elite level despite these so-called arm strength issues, which is why it shouldn't be a major point of critique.
     
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  9. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    We gained a game on the Bills. Which puts the division in play, as remote a chance as that seems right now. Just need to get the defense playing better, which should happen with Chubb learning how things work in Miami.
     
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  10. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    No, because they're not looking at those quarters for the same answer. Hitman brings up poor throws in the 4th, occurring in pressure situations with the game an the line, and when things broke down, Tua's arm strength was an issue. Bringing up the first 3 quarters when maybe there wasn't an issue present, is meaningless. Everything is magnified in the fourth quarter of a close game, even moreso in the playoffs. So, if you have a QB that when things go wrong, it has a bigger impact on his abilities than on other QBs, then it's right to be concerned.

    Again, I just posted this a couple minutes ago, but I think the bigger issue is the defense. It's completely unfair to be criticizing Tua when he's having to put up 30+ points every week to win. If the defense was just holding teams to 25, then I don't think we'd being seeing some of these issues.
     
  11. Springveldt

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    I was bringing up the first 3 quarters because up to that point in the 4th we had scored 35 points on the road and we shouldn’t be needing Tua to make any throws.
    Also, historically so far Tua had been great in the 4th quarter in his career. Two bad throws doesn’t change that.

    it’s like saying if Josh Allen plays in the playoffs like he played today then the Bills won’t win a game as if today was the usual Josh Allen performance.
     
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  12. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Completely disagree on it not being arm strength. Go try to mimic what he did.

    You will quickly see that you're really only throwing with your arm.
     
  13. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I've posted several times ALREADY that I think the defense playing like **** is causing the problems, and that it's unfair for Tua to have to score 30+ points to win every game.

    I'm not anti-Tua.
     
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  14. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    We are not beating the bills again playing like this and them having more of their starters back, specially not back in Buffalo. The jets could beat us again, the Bengals match up well against us, Chiefs are much better than us, I'm even worried about our next game against the Browns with how we're playing.
     
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  15. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Really, it's the defense.
     
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  16. Berezo

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    Yeah browns can definitely beat us. In fact with this defense anyone can. We can beat anyone too though with the offense. It’s 1990s dolphins all over again which means regular season success but probably not playoff success.
     
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  17. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

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    The Bears went on the road and TRUCKED the Patriots by 21 point two weeks ago. Last week they scored 29 on the vaunted Cowboys defense.
    BTW the Lions just beat the Packers.

    People need to enjoy the wins… Back to back ROAD WINS in the NFL is no picnic!!. We also scored 30+ points in both games.

    I have to laugh at people expecting us to win by double digits every week.
    We aren’t the Chiefs. Soak up the success.
     
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  18. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    I am talking only about 4th quarters. Its fair to talk about choking if there is a history to back it up. There isn't.
     
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  19. mlb1399

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    I’m giving Chubb a pass because he’s been a dolphin for 5 days. But to get so little pressure/sacks against a team that has given up the most is ridiculous. Really looked like poor discipline and even worse tackling. Also not sure I love the gameplan. I’d rather sit back in zone, rush 4 and make Fields beat you with his arm.
     
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  20. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah I agree. Although, to be fair, I don't know that I consider failing due to physical limitations as choking.
     
  21. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    I wouldn’t consider winning as choking….
     
  22. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Ok, I took the pain staking time to read every single post. I watched the game delayed so I didn’t check in during the game.

    First off…Destroyer, my first instinct was to say something ridiculing to you but you know what? You’re so far off on all of your negativity, you just keep at it. The more negative you are, the greater our chances of winning are.

    Secondly, the offense played played lights out today. Tua did make a few bad throws but even with those bad throws, as Michael Irvin once said, “if the ball hits our hands, it’s on us to catch it”.

    Those bad throws however had NOTHING to do with this silly “arm strength” argument I kept reading about. Aaron Rodgers, whom no one would argue against his arm strength had several bad throws today, 3 of which ended up as interceptions. Tagovailoa had none. Those bad throws were based on bad decisions on where and how to throw the ball, although the one to Smythe was just as much on him as Tua. Those throws were choices to drop the ball over and in to his receiver. That had nothing to do with his arm strength. That’s just silly.

    McDaniel, Chicago gifted you the ball at the 3:00 mark by punting and not going for it on 4th. I completely get you want to run the ball to run out the clock, but you and I both know the Bears are going to stack the line to stop the run. You run for it on first and get stuffed. Ok, okay their silly little game. You have plenty of plays in your playbook for passes out of a run formation. Run play action on 2nd down and break their backs. You have the most accurate quarterback in the league, the two fastest receivers in the league and I don’t care who it is, no quarterback in the league is going to outrun the cheetah. Play action, put it up, let the cheetah or penguin go get it and be done with it. The Bears are expecting you to run it. That’s what EVERYONE does so why play into the defense? Keep your foot on the gas and your knee on their necks.

    As disappointing Sanders miss was at that short FG, everyone calm down. Soldier Field is NOTORIOUS for swirling winds that make a kicker’s day a nightmare.

    Bottom line, a win is a win and we’re 6-3, with the Browns up next. I’m not worried about Jacoby Biscuit on but and the defense, despite its horrible performance at shutting down Fields has actually been playing the run pretty well. Put Biscuit in 3rd and long and we’ll be just fine.

    Just make sure Destroyer is on the board to keep saying how much we suck.
     
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  23. brandon27

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    look, I don’t think he’s got the strongest arm in the world. I don’t think that’s his problem with what we are asking him to do though. He’s obviously doing just fine. I think he’s late throwing deep more than anything. I don’t tho l he has the strongest arm either but with Hill he’s often late to pull the trigger. By then he’s simply too far out there for its arm. My issue is the throw to waddle at the end. That’s just not an arm strength issue. You can see just by the trajectory of the ball he flat out missed the throw and floated it too much He was trying to drop it in and instead he should have thrown it flatter and deeper to lead waddle and it’s an easy six. It’s not a weak arm throw. It’s a pass with too much touch and too much air. He was obviously pressing at the end and it was just a bad throw. That’s all I’m saying. I’m not disagreeing that he doesn’t have the strongest arm ever for a qb. But it’s not his biggest issue on deep balls. Some yes it is. But a lot I feel are timing with hill (tua is late) and that one to waddle was just poorly thrown. Like the smythe pass was. Poor throws happen Sometimes. It’s not always an arm strength issue. We saw it with tannehill too. He had a strong arm but lacked touch. That throw to waddle just had too much touch and air under it.

    I like you res and your opinions. So we can just agree to disagree on this throw. Because aside from that I don’t disagree much with where you’re at with tua. But that being said it’s really hard to have issues with what he’s doing this season so far.
     
  24. Irishman

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    This Bears offense has given some good teams trouble.
     
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  25. firedan

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    Two big reasons for the win. !.Tua 2.the blocked punt for a TD. Not a pretty win but we take what we get.
     
  26. Fishhead

    Fishhead Well-Known Member

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    As bad as the D has looked under Boyer, I can’t see them kicking him to the curb now. There’s a game next week, and the team has won three in a row. Maybe if they stink up the joint again against Cleveland (and lose), they might let him go with a bye week coming up, but then again, probably not if they beat the Browns.
     
  27. resnor

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    Remind me again which double digit win are you referring to? Love the win, but we didn't deserve that win.
     
  28. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    And wtf are you talking about?
     
  29. resnor

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    I agree. And, to be fair, the game was also close because of Tua (despite the piss poor defense).

    I was very happy with Tua today, regardless of whether or not I think some strength issues were there.
     
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  30. cbrad

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    Oh we absolutely deserved the win today.

    Refs are part of the game, and both teams make good and bad plays. One side comes out on top. Good teams tend to win more close games than bad teams, and right now the Tua-led Dolphins are doing what good teams do: find a way to win despite mistakes.
     
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  31. OwesOwn614

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    He had a good game today. I'm not trying to be funny when I say it would have been great if he had simply zipped it into Waddle on the bomb and lofted it to Gesicki on the 4th-and-5. He did it backwards and I'm sure he'd be the first to admit it. It's just too freaking bad our defense couldn't imagine da Bears would be smart enough to run the SAME D*MNED PLAY until we figured out a way to stop it. I love my Fins, but I'm pretty sure they don't love me for how they stress me out.
     
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  32. pumpdogs

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    Yea I agree he is terrible.
     
  33. pumpdogs

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    If the Defense can get off the Damm field we score at least 40 a game.The offence spends to much time on the sidelines.
     
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  34. Pauly

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    Today was the first time all season he hasn’t come through with big plays in the clutch. Can’t expect any QB, not even Dan Marino, to be successful in the clutch every single game.
     
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  35. OwesOwn614

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    Tua's performance has shot up in the fourth quarter all season long. The second quarter is where he comes up short.

    In the second quarter this year, Tagovailoa is completing just 52.6% of his pass attempts and has a passer rating of 58.6, ranking him behind every starter but Zach Wilson.

    Let’s compare those to the other quarters:

    • First: 75.8% completion, 115.3 passer rating
    • Third: 73.7% completion, 102.7 passer rating
    • Fourth: 82.1% completion, 111.9 passer rating

    https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2...as-a-problem-in-the-second-quarter-this-year/
     
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  36. cbrad

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    That's from 2021!!

    In 2022 his quarter-by-quarter stats are very good. Not including today's game (they haven't updated) it's 89.1 for Qtr 1, 112.7 for Qtr 2, 119.2 for Qtr 3, and 133.1 for Qtr 4.
    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TagoTu00/splits/2022/

    However.. people shouldn't assign similar reliability to these numbers as to his overall rating. Note that passing attempts are less than 60 for each quarter. That's pretty small sample size. Either way, so far Tua is fine in the 2nd. He's actually been getting better with each quarter.
     
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  37. OwesOwn614

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    LOL. My bad... Thanks for the correction.
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  38. OwesOwn614

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  39. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    It's like you didn't read the second part of my post.
     
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