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Tua is not the Problem

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 6, 2021.

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  1. cbrad

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    If you have good enough players, not only will they perform well in a new system (might take a bit of time to adjust, but not much) you won't have to change the system. Hill is the one guy that is truly elite and he's one of the best signings we've had in a long time. He and McDaniel totally changed Tua's game. Main concern now is the defense. McDaniel is an offensive coach, and I'm fine with him being OC. But if he doesn't get the DC right we're going nowhere.

    Those are my paramount concerns right now: DC and pass blocking. It's a bit refreshing to not list QB as one of the top concerns!
     
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  2. Finatik

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    Just stop. You’re starting to look really petty.
     
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  3. Finatik

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    Injuries have really decimated the secondary. What they’re doing with 2nd and 3rd stringers is pretty remarkable. Same on the offensive line.
     
  4. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Good *** win today. Detroit has a decent offense. We got behind and came right back. On to next week!
     
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  5. OwesOwn614

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    IMO, one of Tua's best passes today was incomplete. He was trying to hit Hill across the middle and threw it too high and too fast for him. Looking at it on replay and it was clear that had he targeted Hill correctly, the ball would have been intercepted by a linebacker playing underneath. I immediately thought Tua changed the pass after the LB shifted over in the zone after committing to the throw. I might be giving him too much credit, but it looked like a pass that was either going to be an incredible grab by Hill or an incompletion. And yeah, it can be said that he shouldn't have thrown to Hill, but except for that player in zone, the play could have been good for 20-30 yards. Tua saved it when it could have been disastrous.
     
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  6. resnor

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    How is that being petty? Tua has now shown the ability to play at a high level, I'd like to see him get through the rest of the season without another concussion because another concussion is a bad thing. He can't just get like a concussion or two a season and have a long career. Know what I mean?

    So yeah, I want to see Tua not have another concussion this season. Sorry not sorry. It's important if he's going to be our long term option.
     
  7. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    So durability is your concern? Not skill at this point right? Or...The ability to put the numbers he's putting up? I mean, today was pretty damn impressive from him. He's ascending into an upper echelon quarterback whether people like that or not. I must say that at this point, my only concern is his durability. If we can keep him healthy, he's going to do great for us.
     
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  8. The_Dark_Knight

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    The same could be said of any quarterback that were to suffer a concussion the ferocity that Tagovailoa took against the Bengals.

    Here’s an interesting read as it pertains to quarterbacks and concussions. Never heard anyone talking any of these like everyone seems to be with Tagovailoa.

    https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=564817

    I think Tua is going to be JUST fine
     
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  9. mlb1399

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    I think durability and how long his body will hold up in the NFL. Clearly he’s shown he can play at a high level with the right system, coach and talent around him.

    I was really happy to see him slide today instead of going head first into the defender. That needs to be his default going forward.
     
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  10. djphinfan

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    we have an elite qb this year..

    Haters step up???
     
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  11. Finatik

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  12. Finatik

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    Before it was his arm. Then it was the yards. Now it’s his durability. And if that doesn’t hold up it will be something else. Can’t you just appreciate winning? Cause it doesn’t seem like you can.
     
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  13. hitman8

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    Arm is still a question, it's not more of an issue because Hill and waddle get so much separation he can afford to have a weak arm. Yards have never been a question with Hill and waddle putting up chunk plays, the issue is points, aside from today against the worst defense in the league, we haven't been able to score many points. And durability is also definitely still an issue.

    Three straight seasons missing games because of injury. He has not shown that he is durable.

    Again, after all the years of dolphins failures I have learned to see through the brief mirages of success we've had and look at the reality. The reality is we won a close game against the worst defense in the league. I am not going to jump for joy and declare us super bowl contenders now.

    When we do it against a good defense that is not missing half their starters then I'll be convinced.
     
  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    When I look at what the Dolphins gave up to get Hill and what they paid him, it floors me how worth it he is.

    Signing or trading a big ticket wide receiver seems to fail so much in this league.

    while I thought he would be good for Miami, I did not expect after 8 games for him to be on pace to break Calvin Johnson's yardage record.
     
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  15. resnor

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    Can you stop putting your perceptions on me? Yes, I had concerns about his ability to play at a high level. Took two years, but he finally started showing. But then he had one nasty concussion, possiblity two, but definitely one, so that brings up other concerns.

    That has ZERO to do with enjoying winning.

    I guess forums aren't for discussion of things that aren't popular.
     
  16. resnor

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    Correct. My concern is durability. I want him to get through the rest of this season without another concussion. He's shown he can play. The question is, is he durable enough.
     
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  17. resnor

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    Good. I'm glad you think that. For me personally, to be comfortable with him long-term, he can't have another concussion this season.
     
  18. TheHighExhaulted

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    Dude, relax and enjoy our quarterback for a minute.
     
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  19. mlb1399

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    I think for a lot of people, including myself, it was durability concerns. He had issues with injuries his sophomore and senior season in college. That doesn’t get any better in the NFL, especially when you’re small for the position.

    He’s a very likeable guy and it’s very clear his teammates love him. I don’t think he has elite arm strength but he reads defenses very well, can make decisions to get rid of the ball and has show he’s extremely efficient. I’m not sure how well he’d do in another system but that doesn’t really matter. He has the right coach, right system and weapons to make plays.

    He’s doing all of that with what I’d call still a below average OL and not a great running game.
     
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  20. dolphin25

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    The wife bought me a Fiedler jersey and i was like thanks for the thought, but I cannot stand Fielder have to take that back.
     
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  21. dolphin25

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    right, his lack of arm strength showed again on a couple throws yesterday. However, is quick ability to read the defense and throw the ball is impressive
     
  22. KeyFin

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    The thing is, we all agree with this statement- nobody wants to see another concussion (including Tua). He actually thought about retiring a few weeks back and had those conversations with doctors, family, etc. So this is a genuine concern. I mean, just for Tua as a person...I never want to see anyone get hurt, much less to their head.

    On the other hand, getting another concussion doesn't mean that he's not a stud QB that can play at elite levels. It just means we have to have a really darn solid backup for when he's down. Early retirement will always be an option if he gets hurt again, so all we can do is hope that he stays clean and plays smart. In a way, his future is more tied to that offensive line than himself...they can't let him get leveled from the blindside.

    Side note- the lineman that came in for Eichenberg in the 3rd quarter yester...was it Jones? He's been iffy this season, but he played like a wild stallion yesterday while running people over. It is very obvious that this line cares about their performance and they're trying to elevate their levels of play for Tua.

    I know that feeling all too well- your QB gets hurt, and it brings out a meanness that you didn't know you had to keep him safe.
     
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  23. djphinfan

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    Imo this thread should end…

    I mean if you wanna have a “wait for another concussion or injury thread for Tua then go for it”

    But the discussion about the topic of Tua as a Qb is over
     
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  24. TheHighExhaulted

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    Literally rooting for another concussion so they can be "right".
     
  25. StaleTacos

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    Worst defense in the league in a dome. It's nice to see Tua carve it up, but it didn't alleviate many of my concerns with Tua.
     
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  26. DolPhinPhan7

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    Fretful Tua Haters have me conditioned to look at completions on a scale. There was certainly a deep pass Hill took down that would have been a TD had he hit him in stride. But as the Colour Guy said, during the broadcast, how many guys can really "overthrow" Tyreek Hill?

    The 2nd TD to Waddle was a perfect Tua throw. Medium range throw in stride.

    Also the Geisiki TD was laser that only he could catch. We underestimate how many of these throws Tua makes for TDs in the Red Zone.
     
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  27. TheHighExhaulted

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    It was at first, "Tua had one good quarter", it doesn't count.

    Now, yesterday he basically pitches a perfect game for 4 quarters, now it's "he played a bad defense", it doesn't count.

    You guys are a rare breed.
     
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    What exactly would though? It's not like the Lions allow 300 yards every game.

     
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  29. Silverphin

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    Are people still running with the "Tua lacks arm strength" narrative? Like, really?
     
  30. TheHighExhaulted

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    Down 14-0 and 21-7 on the road, your guys fumbling the ball, your defense giving up five play touchdown drives, penalties all over the place, alot of quarterbacks would have gotten overwhelmed and frustrated.

    Tua gets better under these situations. I'd rather him have that than being able to throw a ball 70 yards.
     
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  31. TheHighExhaulted

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    It's still there.

    But, it's more "I'm waiting for his next concussion" now.
     
  32. StaleTacos

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    Who said it doesn't count? Talk about a strawman. I just said it doesn't alleviate my concerns with him. Playing in bad weather, playing well with pressure in his face (5.0% v Lions) , arm strength, staying healthy, playing good teams, ect...These are my concerns. This is where his physical abilities meet reality.

    They brought him back into the soft part of the schedule. He wasn't good against the Steelers who aren't really a strong defensive team (24th in points allowed), but they knew how to scheme for Tua, and bump his 1st read. He tore up the Lions in a dome who are the worst defense in the league. If it rains in Chicago, let's see how well he does there.
     
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  33. The_Dark_Knight

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    Well the deep pass to Hill that was under thrown, if you go back and look at the throw, Tagovailoa had a defender in his face, was off balance throwing off his back foot…and still threw it 43 yards.

    It would be interesting to see how far other quarterbacks throwing off balance on their back foot could throw the ball
     
  34. TheHighExhaulted

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    If it rains in Chicago next week, do you think the Dolphins game plan will center around Tua throwing for 380+ yards? If so, you're going to be disappointed. Actually, you might be happy since it's another thing you can chide him for.
     
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  35. Finatik

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    No he has to be perfect. You have to look for the possible concussion. Even though guy has more plays of over 30 yards then anyone in the league but he still doesn't have an arm. Get with the program.
     
  36. Alex13

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  37. Vinny Fins

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    Hes putting together an mvp caliber season and he still has a tom of haters in out fanbase. Its bizarre.folks have had their brains poisoned by the football pundits to where they cant enjoy this season and elite qb play
     
  38. Fireland

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    Its been said many times but it will never be said enough that it is all about wanting to be right. Being right even that mean the team sucks or Tua because that is all that matters. Personally I would say some are rooting for him to get hurt based on some of the posts after he got hurt.

    I don't know why you would be a fan if you can't enjoy this
     
  39. RGF

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    Tua still sucks. His stats are padded because Hill bails him out all the time.

    ( Get ready cause this is coming soon )
     
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  40. dolphin25

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    Is 30 yards really arm strength?
     
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