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Source: Parcells considering keeping Cameron

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Nublar7, Dec 31, 2007.

  1. Nublar7

    Nublar7 Senior Member

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    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphi.../1231cameron.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=46
     
  2. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    And so, the foundation of Finheaven cracked slightly.
     
  3. phenomenalphin

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    "If he can get the guy he wants to replace him, he will. If he can't, he'll keep him."

    That's pretty obvious though, I think he will find his guy to replace him. (I hope)
     
  4. CD13

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    Yeah Cam should go. I like him. I feel like he can build an O, and coach QB's, but to overall head coach, he just doesn't have the leadership skills. Bring on someone else. But for the love of God get a good O coordinator.
     
  5. Den54

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    Nothing new here. BP is just keeping his options open.
     
  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Cough...choking sound...gaakk...

    Now if that is not a perfect example of NFL Gobbly Gook, then existence is farce, and the internet is real....
     
  7. SarahAnn

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    The only thing worse than hiring a bad coach is keeping a bad coach when you know hes bad. When hiring a bad coach there is the appearance of hope. I cant imagine anyone having a reason why CamCam is the right coach for us.

    We are cleaning house this year. If we just wait until next year to fire him its an even greater set back.
     
  8. SarahAnn

    SarahAnn New Member

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    How on earth can you possibly make the argument that a system that took us to 1-15WORKS!? That isnt even something I'm going to debate on.
     
  9. Waldop

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    We'll see what happens. I'm willing to bet Cam's gone!!:confused2:
     
  10. dabeastdabone

    dabeastdabone New Member

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    And what exactly are we "setting back" from?
     
  11. WaywardZest

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    Not necessarily.

    A good coach with a good general manager could acquire a team with a talented pool of rookies that Mueller drafted, and then they would complement them in the draft and coach them correctly.
     
  12. Desides

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    Could, but likely won't.

    Get rid of Cameron and you get rid of the year's worth of work he did. While most people here will instantly leap at that, they won't truly consider what the consequences of that are. You undo everything Cameron did this year, that includes the installation of a new offense, the targeted drafting to stock that offense with as much specifically-defined talent as possible, and the work done within that framework.

    You basically start all over again. There is no "head start" except with regard to the salary cap, which Mueller did everything within his power to free up. (The Chambers trade was primarily a salary cap move.)

    I'd love to hear Bill Parcells' plan to utilize Ted Ginn (1st round pick) and Lorenzo Booker (3rd round pick) in an offense that by his own admission he would prefer to be run-heavy.
     
  13. RonnieBrown23

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    Because he went 0-6 even when we were healthy.
     
  14. WaywardZest

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    Well, if you believe that Parcells wants to go run heavy in the first place, why even keep a guy like Cameron? If Ireland or whomever doesn't give Cameron the tools he needs to run his kind of team, how could he succeed?

    You can't expect a guy like Cameron to change philosophy. The team looked like it wanted to be a passing team a lot this season.
     
  15. phinphever

    phinphever Punk, Make My Day!!

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    I'd like to know how much of a spaz fit everyone is gonna have if Parcells keeps cam. The fireworks are gonna be fun to watch. HAHAHHA I can't wait. It's gonna be fun to watch and read. BTW don't be so sure he will fire cam. If he was why would he wait till tomarrow why not the same day as randy. Just a thought.
     
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  16. padre31

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    Depends phinfever, Tuna is supposed to know what he is doing, if decides Cam doesn't get clipped, then that is the way it is.

    However, the 2008 Dolphins Staff had better be flipped top to bottom or it will be more of the same for us.
     
  17. Fin Fan In Cali

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    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
     
  18. Desides

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    Because Cameron runs a balanced offense that gradually emphasizes the run as the end zone becomes closer and closer. I forget the exact statistic, but something like 70% of San Diego's red zone plays in (I believe) 2006 were run plays.

    Parcells stated in his presser that he doesn't believe himself to be a narrow-minded man. If true, then in theory he should have no problem with the way Cameron conducts the offense.
     
  19. padre31

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    We can run the ball, Ronnie and Chatman averaged 5 yds a carry when the line was functioning, but above all things on offense we need to develop a Qb, if Cam can do that then he has a slim chance of sticking around as long as Tuna buys that idea.
     
  20. LikeUntoGod

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    I mentioned this on a Dolphins BlogTalkRadio show. One reason Marty was fired because he got run heavy in the Play Offs. Oddly, if you look at Cameron's first year as a HC, his red zone plays are 70% passing plays.

    Does that make sense? If you have a LT, I can see being run heavy. If you have a Tom Brady or P. Manning with the WR's they have,Ii see no problem being pass heavy.

    But when your QB is Cleo Lemon, and your WR's are ours, why pass 70% of the time?


    P.S. I had to stop myself before I started raving about our poor play calling the last 3 years. My New Year's resolution is not to talk about the past 3 years.
     
  21. Fin Fan In Cali

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    Dom Capers should be questioned here also as he was calling the defense when we were healthy, and he wasn't moving Jason Taylor around at all.
     
  22. Desides

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    Because the other team is thinking the exact same thing, so they bring a safety down to stack the box.
     
  23. dabeastdabone

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    This wasn't a rebuilding year. Read all the information from before the season, read Wayne's quotes. Cam failed at what he was here to do. Day one he took a very low impact first round player, he made mistake after mistake from there. These guys are highly paid to perform (management) and they have done nothing to instill faith from the fans and I would also have to add from the players judging by what we have seen.

    Come on we aren't talking 6-10 0r 7-9 we are talking 1-15 WITH two chances to knock off New England AND again no division wins.

    It's the same apologistic attitude you have that allowed the Dolphins to get to the point they are today. When did personal accountability become an alternative? When did underachieving become acceptable? When did loosing become the standard for the Dolphins? When was about the time Wayne took over and we see where it has gotten the Dolphins. Just raise your standards, it doesn't make you a bad fan but a smart consumer.

    I understand although don't agree with the way fans drool all over themselves crediting player after player in aqua, even though most the time that player frankly is of average or below standard talent. But he is what we cheer and we see him perform. I DON"T understand how people can always give passes to management and ownership. How many teams have turned things around in a year or two...the answer is a lot have and we see it every year. Bottom line is Cam did an awful job this year and thats all he deserves credit for.
     
  24. Waldop

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    AMEN!!
     
  25. namor

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    Hell,a magic 8 ball would manage the game better than Cam.
     
  26. shouright

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    Boy, nothing like having a guy with that little confidence of his higher-ups in the position of head coach to inspire a loyal and passionate following of him among the players.

    This is a mistake IMO. This is about like having a lame duck coach in terms of how much you get out of your players.

    Then again the real plan could be to hire someone new, and this "stall" could just be a way of not making Cam Cameron and Wayne Huizenga's decision of a year ago look too bad.
     
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  27. TheMageGandalf

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    There's nothing new here.

    I mean, why would you fire your current guy and just be left on a lurch if you cant find anyone you actually want.

    You keep the guy you have and then once you know you can get someone you want ....THEN you trash him.

    Maybe it isn't fair to Cam in that he won't really know what's up for awhile but in reality I am sure he won't be missing out on any HC opportunities this year by hanging around until we make a final decision.

    If he gets dropped late in the game he'll get picked up by us as OC or will be someone else's OC...no big deal one way or the other.
     
  28. zodiak

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    could be Parcells wants a GM in place first,then make a move on the HC he has said he isnt going to be the GM and historically GM's make the call on the coaching staff.

    I dont have a feel for who Parcells & Ireland will tag as HC but Im certain its not Cameron
    a few things to consider many veteren defensive players have a real problam with Cameron add to that his soft training camps along with poor game management spells goodbye in IMO.
     
  29. Desides

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    Yes, he will. Atlanta and Baltimore are wide-open, and they'll want to fill those positions immediately if not sooner. There are a few positions that could open up, such as Seattle, where Mike Holmgren is reportedly going to retire after this season no matter what the outcome is.

    People: a head coach cannot be demoted. The only way Cameron can become an offensive coordinator again by getting fired and going somewhere else. He cannot become the offensive coordinator of the Miami Dolphins by virtue of already being its head coach. And, no, there is no "fire him then re-hire him" loophole.
     
  30. Pauly

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    Even more importantly it is a recipe guaranteed to lead to a divided locker room and an ongoing feeding frenzy in the media. Even if Cam Cameron is the best OC in the history of the NFL it would be exceptionally stupid to demote him from HC to OC and then expect the team to function normally.

    The single most important thing this franchise needs to do is to get everybody in the boat rowing in the same direction.
     
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  31. THCMAN

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    I think that article says more about how Parcells is negotiating with the next head coach's contact, than about Cam.

    Cam will be gone. You can't lose that many games and not be a part of the problem.
     
  32. Fin Fan In Cali

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    I am not a Dom fan any longer. When we had everyone helathy, we were re-active rather then attacking as we were the year prior. I rather see a new coach in here to run the defense. Nick was good at hiding our short comings, Dom is not. Dom had say in this roster, so he part to blame as well on personnel.
     
  33. Fin Fan In Cali

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    My question with Cam bro is will the players play all out for him, and respect him?
     
  34. Fin Fan In Cali

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    What do you do if Bill wants Jason to stay, and he doesn't respect Cam?
     
  35. texanphinatic

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    I would hope Bill would be smart enough to see that something needs to be done, whether its fire Cam, trade JT, or make them hammer out an agreement or something of that nature. Frankly, your butt is getting paid a load of money most people rooting for your team can only dream of, you get out on the field and play no matter what you think of the coach. If your too unhappy to do that, try and get traded, but at least have the decency to be somewhat discreet about it, and dont go calling out other people.
     
  36. Fin Fan In Cali

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    Nice post bro! Bill needs to pass this down to all coaches, players and Dolphin employees, if there is an issue be a man and talk to that person, or handle it in house not the media. This needs to be a tight nit organization, not one that will run and cry to the media.
     
  37. brent

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    He is a goner............

    Just like the former G.M. CAM is out of here. Its not all his fault but he is not without blame.....
     
  38. Danny

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    Guys, Cam is gone this week...maybe even tomorrow.....this is not one of Bill's guys.....Bill's gonna bring his guy to caoch our team.

    Ozzy rules!!
     
  39. RonnieBrown23

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    thats 2 guys, as big a role as zach plays. if you cant win without 2 starters then you have some serious depth issues.
     
  40. #1DoLfAnOKesh

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    hopefully the coach he wants comes through and we can start fresh
     

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