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Tua back on the field

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Vinny Fins, Oct 12, 2022.

  1. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    Great to see. Players and coaches visibly fired up. Bet he starts vs Pittsburgh
     
  2. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    We don't know yet. But still, it's encouraging news.
     
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  3. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    Great news for multiple reasons. Most notably his health is allowing him to even be on a football field.
     
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  4. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    That is great news. Hoping he can stay upright and get this season back on track, but more importantly stay healthy!
     
  5. Dorfdad

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    Can we list Skylar as the starter and then change it on Saturday? Why wouldn’t we try to outsmart the defense and have them game plan against Skylar?
     
  6. TheHighExhaulted

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    Bridgewater can't even practice until Thursday, and that's if they even clear him. Who knows if they will with the way the wacky rules are now? If he does, Thompson will still start but he will have a quick hook and you will see Bridgewater in the game at some point. I think he will start the second half due to Thompson being ineffective.

    Seeing Tua back on the practice field is definitely a welcoming site. Hope he's back sooner than later.
     
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  7. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Unless Skylar has a much better game...which probably isn't realistic at this point. But I'm hoping for it anyway since it lets Teddy rest another week.
     
  8. pumpdogs

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    Tua better stop trying to play hero ball and get rid of the Damm ball.5 seconds is to long and dude u are not Mahomes or Allen.Throw it away.
     
  9. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

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    This is great for Tua. First sign that he is doing better and probably doesn’t have a severe case of post concussion syndrome right now. Which is most important…

    But from a league standpoint, What does this mean exactly?
    Is he allowed to practice or do light workouts with the team if he is still in protocols?
    Is he technically cleared now? But maybe needs extra time to get his feet back under him ?(understandable)
     
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  10. TheHighExhaulted

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  11. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    So, Tua got four outside opinions from actual doctors that don't seem to be concerned about long term effects. Just want to reiterate that before all the doctors on here can add their two cents.
     
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  12. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    That's fantastic news and I am thrilled that he was super thorough. I was worried that he could be out indefinitely or even have this become career-ending, so we couldn't have hoped for anything better.
     
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  13. Fishhead

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    Now we have to somehow work out a win against Minnesota (I’m looking at you, defense) and we’ll be back on track.
     
  14. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Man, we really could use a win tomorrow...
     
  15. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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  16. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Gee, imagine that...
     
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  17. cbrad

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    So happy Tua's back. If he ends up missing only a few games this season, then even the injury prone excuse has to be thrown away.
     
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  18. TheHighExhaulted

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    Especially on a freak injury.
     
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  19. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Wait...what? Missing games due to injury is proof of not being injury prone? The dude hasn't played a complete season in years. Lol
     
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  20. cbrad

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    If he comes back after Minnesota and happens to play the rest of the season (that was the hypothetical I set up), then he will have had 7 games missed due to injury and been the primary QB in 35 games (i.e., discounting games with less than 10 attempts). That's 35/42 = 83% availability. For what it's worth that would be better than Steve Young who had only an 81% availability for SF. I'm sure we'd all want Steve Young (statistically the most efficient QB with 3000+ attempts in history) even though he was often injured and repeated concussions finally knocked him out of the league.

    So even if Tua's availability is less than desired, if he can manage 80% availability but still play at a very high level consistently (yet to be demonstrated), then yeah the injury prone excuse has to be thrown away regarding whether he's our franchise QB or not. He'll still be injury prone, but that won't be an excuse to say he isn't our long term answer at QB.
     
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  21. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I would counter the Dolphins history of quarterbacks has been plagued by injury and inability to complete an entire season.

    Tagovailoa
    Tannehill
    Henne
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    Culpepper

    This organization has placed such little value on the very foundation of any offensive unit…the OL for decades and the mediocre results have proven themselves.

    You get an OL than can give a quarterback 4 seconds to throw the ball…you get an OL that can push the LOS scrimmage 5 yards by the time the RB is handed the ball and I’ll show an unbeatable team.

    You show me a team that places all of its eggs in the quarterback basket arguing that so in so can do it and considering the OL as an after thought and I’ll show you a losing team…and a quarterback that is either benched or iut due to injury
     
  22. Sceeto

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    :sidelol:
     
  23. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah of course. This isn't in dispute. Tua hasn't played a complete season in years. It is what it is. I think it's silly to act like Tua isn't more fragile than other QBs. That in and of itself isn't a reason to get rid of him, that's not what I'm saying. However, it's not ideal to have a fragile QB behind an oline that has been bad. If you're going to have a fragile QB, then you need an above average line. If you're going to have a bad oline, then you need to have a QB who possess natural physical ability to avoid rushers and be able to take hits.
     
  24. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    I am happy to hear he is back on the field but we haven't had a quarterback play all game in 4 straight weeks. He won't survive the game against Pittsburgh behind this oline and that's a fact.
     
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  25. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    I don't think any quarterback will survive behind this offensive line. Doesn't matter who it is. Greg Little, Branden Shell? Yeah, that's not gonna cut it. These are fringe NFL players that just happen to have some experience. Conner Williams was getting bullied all day, Eichenberg has been a turnstile, Hunt has been terrible with penalties, Armstead injured. We're in trouble once again with the O line. It's been haunting us every bit as long as not having a quarterback has.
     
  26. EzRider

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    This is McDaniels first year with the team. He’s gonna have some say in personnel next offseason
     
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  27. Fishhead

    Fishhead Well-Known Member

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    Let’s hope so
     
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  28. dolphin25

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    They have sent several draft picks on the O line.... they just suck at selecting good players... like most other positions actually.
     
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  29. KeyFin

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    To be fair, excuses aren't based solely on logic or fact, they're based on our own belief systems. Now, I 100% agree with everything you said, but realize that others may not feel the same way. He did just miss 2+ games and the folks who disagree with us will say, 'There's another season he's been out hurt for a period of time.'

    Is it fair to your points? Maybe not. But each of us determine what's fair and what's not.
     
  30. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Let’s be fair here…

    Was Tagovailoa knocked out the game? Sure he was…so was Bridgewater and Thompson.

    PFF has our OL ranked at the bottom of the league in pass protection. It doesn’t matter if you’re Tagovailoa, Mahomes, Allen or Herbert; When your line is THAT POOR at pass blocking and allowing your quarterback to get hit that many times, sooner of later you’re going to get knocked out.
     
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  31. resnor

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    Yes, let's be fair. If you're going to have a terrible oline, then you have got to have a QB that can take hits. Tannehill didn't miss a game for his first four years. And he was getting hit.

    I don't dislike Tua. I root for the guy. But that's completely different from acknowledging the reality that Tua misses games. Every year. So you've got to keep him from getting hit more than you do a guy like Tannehill, for health reasons. Obviously every QB is going to play worse statistically when they're under constant pressure and getting hit, so I'm not talking about this from a stats perspective.

    I understand that all QBs can get hurt. Let me try to explain it this way: Tua is an avocado, and Tannehill was a coconut. If I go up on the roof ofa house and drop the avocado and coconut down to the driveway, the avocado probably breaks on the first or second drop. The coconut will last much much longer.
     
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  32. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Read this and convince me there's not an agenda to attack the Dolphins for things that other teams openly disregard with impunity.
     
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  33. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    This is a good article by Barry.
     
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  34. Fishhead

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    Different rules for different players/coaches/organizations. Not sure how or why we got on the naughty list, but it is a fact.
     
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  35. Fishhead

    Fishhead Well-Known Member

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    Article is behind a paywall. Cliff notes, anyone?
     
  36. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Sure. It basically says that Tua has built strong relationships with just about every single player in the locker room (offense and defense). He asks about their families, their hobbies, etc. and makes sure that everyone feels noticed and appreciated. He's much more vocal to teammates in general- and he wasn't like that the past few years.

    In short, he's being himself and its obvious that everyone in that locker room deeply cares about him as a person and a player.
     
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  37. TheHighExhaulted

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    Basically, he's the heart and soul of this football team. Him being back in the lineup is going to be a huge boost mentally for this team.
     
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  38. OwesOwn614

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    But... but... but didn't Omar say that a defensive player complained to him that he was "wasting his career" by playing with him?
     
  39. Fireland

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    Obviously its Omar so who knows if that happened but it could have happened. This is obviously a different Tua from a confidence and leadership standpoint. Which helps when your head coach wants you and not a sexual predator.
     
  40. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    The reason I doubted it is because I've never heard someone say that about playing with QBs that were objectively much worse than Tua. The statement - if true - reeked of someone with an agenda. At the time, I thought it was a Flo loyalist that might have said it. I'd still love to know if the player that made such an over-the-top comment is on the team or feels the same way. I'm not going to call Omar a liar because I generally like him. But he has a penchant for sensationalism and attention that's on par with Mando's.
     

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