Where did I say that? It’s like you are the bizarrio world of Tua lovers. Anything he does is wrong even if it’s right.
Interesting interview with an orthopedic surgeon from CBS.com: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ry-situation-decision-to-play-thursday-night/
The neuro consultant who cleared Tua was just fired for several mistakes in clearing Tua for the game. Now tell us again about how we are not doctors. And tell us again about our reliable doctors, given our history with making franchise decisions based on our doctors such as this one with Tua, or choosing Daunte over Brees. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...tagovailoa-fired-several-mistakes-source-says
It doesn't change anything in terms of none of us having any idea what the right course of action is in terms of when he should return or even if. That is the real bottom line even though obviously some want him back sooner so the team can win and others want him to retire so they can be rid of him.
Let's see what the "several mistakes" were, if they were clerical or egregious. Seems like a pretty broad assessment. Seems like the NFLPA trying to cover their ***.
Ok, no need to be obnoxious. I haven’t been in regards to this entire incident but I will say that none of us are doctors. We all saw what we saw this past Sunday but Tagovailoa WAS cleared by this doctor during the half to return to the game. The article you linked doesn’t address WHAT mistakes were made. It would have been helpful had those mistakes been listed. Did this doctor make mistakes and was fired for negligence putting a man’s health and potentially life at risk? I would like to believe so. Was he fired as a scapegoat since Tua was so brutally injured Thursday night? I would hope not. One thing I do know…and I learned this last season watching one of the games; the local hospital’s trauma unit goes on active stand-by during an NFL game. They are on stand by to receive and treat any NFL player that’s transported to their facility as a result of injury during a game. I thought that quite remarkable when I learned that. With that being said, when Tua was transported to the Cincinnati hospital Thursday night, THEIR personnel were the ones that received, examined, treated and released Tagovailoa. Not the team’s doctors…not the unaffiliated neurologist. In that regard, it was an objective unbiased examination. But as I also said earlier, with all eyes on this injury as it was during a lone prime time game, Tagovailoa is getting the finest care money can buy and you can be assured he won’t play again until he is truly medically cleared to play. How long that is, none of us know. So please, let’s stop the hyperbole and the incessant need to be “right”. All being obnoxious does is lower the validity of an argument and stir bitterness and rancor
This does bring up a valid question. Why wasn’t Tee Huggins place in concussion protocol if he was knocked unconscious during the Jets game? Why isn’t there as much scrutiny on him as on Tagovailoa? Where are all of the sports pundits who were banging the gavel on Tua but not a sound for Tee? I loathe inconsistency. I may or may not agree with a person’s stance on an issue, but if you are consistent, I can respect that. I have no respect for inconsistent sports pundits who cry foul selectively
Tua's a lightning rod for clicks and comments. If somebody says he shouldn't have played, ask them when he should have been allowed back and they won't answer. The only answer is "when they're medically cleared to return". But he was medically cleared to return. That alone shows the entire argument is hypocritical and disingenuous. Then, add Tee Higgins' situation into the equation and you get absolute silence. Look: I get that some folks were saying they thought he shouldn't have played so soon after Sunday. But most people are jumping on the wagon in hindsight. And none of them is of the belief that a concussion is capable of being medically diagnosed because they don't want to believe doctors either cleared him or knew what to do. I guess we should let public opinion decide in the future. Or just put somebody on IR if Stephen A. Smith thinks he suffered a concussion.
Here’s how I look at the whole thing…and bare with me as I work my way to my point. I have 2 doctors, my primary care giver and my cardiologist. They’re my doctors and when I go to see either of them, I trust they know what they’re doing. Are they perfect? I’m certain they aren’t but if Dr Spiers tells me this…if Dr Bean tells me that, I do it. After all, they’re the doctors, not me. The NFL has medical personnel on their teams. These multibillion dollar organizations that have assets (players) that have to be in peak physical condition to maintain the stature of their organizations. It’s a smart move to have highly trained doctors and surgeons on your staff to take care of your players, but there in does lie the potential conflict of interest. Owner wants player A to play but the team doctor says he’s not ready. The owner WANTS him to play. There’s the potential of biting the hand that feeds you, so have team doctors cleared players who really shouldn’t have been? I would venture to say it’s happened. But with the NFL concussion protocol… To AVOID any potential conflicts of interest, the league instituted have non affiliated neurologists to assess these potential injuries…to avoid a team doctor being pressed by the organization to clear a player that shouldn’t be. If this doctor tells McDaniel at halftime that Tua is good, that he doesn’t have a concussion and can play, all McDaniel can do is take the doctors word. That’s why HE’S there. He’s not part of the team. He’s not affiliated with the Miami Dolphins. Now if the doctor screws up… I wish the article posted detailed WHAT mistakes the neurologist made that was cited for his firing, but at that particular time, no one can get mad at anyone…to include the doctor (provided absence of malice). It was cited in the other article, the interview with the surgeon that it is possible the hit on Tua against the Bills…even with the legs giving out could have been a back injury and not a concussion. Of course it’s difficult for him to say with all certainty since he was not the examining physician. I know I got off on a rant, but unless you are a doctor and practice medicine for a living, you can’t get all angry about a player playing after getting a hit that you perceive as an injury when there are protocols in place to protect players. I do what Dr Spiers and Bean tell me (well, mostly) and so do the teams. You just have to trust you have a good doctor looking out for their patients.
You dont need a degree to know something was wrong with Tua and it was not his back, that was a complete lie to get him back in. The organization and the NFL failed him. When it comes to the head, there needs to be the strictest of procedures and i assume this situation will bring that because Goodell will not let the shield get damaged. I can see a change where if you have been ruled with a concussion, youre getting the next game off. Zach Thomas says hes not able to get smacked on the back of the head without feeling dizzyness. Chris Borland retired after 1 season after his experience with head trauma, and he was looking like the next zach thomas himself.. I hope for Tua’s health going forward that, that’s not the future he faces. Complete fail by everyone.
Barry Jackson's respect with me has skyrocketed - he's played it straight along the lines "follow the science" and showing how clear the Dolphins and McDaniel are from this.
There are extremely robust procedures in place already and that's what everybody is ignoring. After Colt McCoy was sent back to play after clearly sustaining a concussion, the league and NFLPA instituted a policy to prevent teams from returning players who sustained head injuries.* If teams are allowed to do it, it voids a lot of the CTE settlement, which determined the league is no longer responsible for players who get CTE. Essentially, in today's NFL, players accept liability for CTE, but teams aren't permitted to put them at risk by playing them while knowing they sustained a concussion. The union is probably positioning itself to reopen the lawsuit by showing the Dolphins violated the agreement. In your opinion, when should Tua (and Tee) have been permitted to return to the field? The only answer that makes sense is when the doctors clear him to return. And that's exactly what happened. *If you're not aware of what happened with Colt McCoy, take a few minutes to skim or read the article linked below: https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/12/02/nfl-concussions-colt-mccoy-case-keenum-ben-roethlisberger
Just to be clear, your belief is that the Miami Dolphins willfully and intentionally disregarded Tua’s injury status on Sunday to get him back in the game, and then again Monday through Thursday to get him in the game against the Bengals? And then lied about it to everyone without expecting any scrutiny? I respectfully disagree
How can you tell a man when he is medically cleared to play football, who is playing for a Super Bowl, who is playing for a contract, who is playing for his financial livelihood, no you can't play because we're scared you might get hurt?
That post gets to the crux of the controversy. A lot of people don't believe medical evaluation is capable of determining someone's ability to be ready to play. I'd guess there are people who believe anybody who displays "gross motor instability" should be immediately placed on short-term IR, regardless of whether they can be medically cleared to play. Ask them when they believe Tua should have been cleared to return and their only reply tends to be "not that soon".
Everybody keeps commenting on the "unaffiliated neurologist", but let's not forget that it's the team doctor, not the unaffiliated neurologist, who has the final say on whether the player returns to play. The consultant is just that, a consultant. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/01/sports/football/tua-tagovailoa-doctor-fired.html
Hopefully we can hang in there. Maybe the defense makes some plays for us? I don't know man, trying to stay positive. I did like what I saw out of Ted for the most part.
Damn it Brad...you would post a link to the NYT!!! I'm not a subscriber nor care to be LOL. This is interesting, based on the excerpts you quoted. If this is indeed the case, sounds like the wrong doctor may have been fired...or perhaps BOTH should have been fired.
J.J. Watt literally had his heart shocked back into rhythm on Thursday, NFL allowing him to play today.
Just watched a Buffalo WR get laid out in the 3rd quarter with what looked like a concussion, he was just laying on the field in the fetal position staring blankly into space. Didn’t get 35 replays of it though and it only showed him running off the field under his own power. I’d imagine he will have numerous checks now with all the media focus on concussions.
To be fair, QB's always get more attention, more scrutiny. There's more rules to protect that position than any other for a reason.
Hoyer got sacked and grabbed his head, he's out of the game. If he comes back I want a full investigation and media lunacy.
I like you key…we often agree but your phrase, “to be fair” really isn’t fair. It’s not FAIR that certain players, who have virtually every protection written into the rule book receive more attention on similar injuries sustained by other players. I hate double and selective standards. A WR, like Tee Higgins can have his bell rung, leave the game, clear protocol, come back into the game and no one bats an eye, but Tua? If you’re going to outraged, then be outraged consistently.
The difference is Tee Higgins didn't have two successive concussions in back to back games like Tua apparently did. The NFLs concussion protocals need to be reworked. Players are still being allowed back too quickly after getting knocked out. In boxing or MMA fighters get a minimum 60 days suspension after getting knocked out. I don't see why it should be any different for NFL players. If a player loses consciousness on the field, he should be out at least 60 days.
Like Tee Higgins, right? Based on your assertion, he was allowed back in the game too soon…even though he cleared protocol
