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Tua is not the Problem

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 6, 2021.

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  1. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Diagnosing a concussion isn't an exact science. I'd say it's more likely they missed something or perhaps Tua tricked the doctors into believing he didn't have one. Players want to play, especially ones whose spot is in jeopardy coming into the season.

    The other possibility is he did have a back/ankle injury, and it's just totally coincidental 4 days later sustained a concussion. Like what's more likely? We can wait for more information, but let's use our heads here people.
     
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  2. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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  3. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Look, none of us are doctors (I assume so anyhow). When it comes to diagnosing any conditions, there are set procedures. Now I don’t know them all but a dime to a dollar says some of them involved checking for dilated pupils (can’t fake that. Either they are or they aren’t). Closing eyes, arms out tilt head back. Either he loses balance or doesn’t. Can’t fake that. Asking him name, where he is, what day of the week it is, etc…he either answered them or he didn’t.

    I’m quite certain there were other medical tests performed that I’m unaware of but the bottom line on all of this, you can’t get upset at the league, the team or the medical staff if Tagovailoa passes the protocol in place.
     
  4. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ignore works. I don't even know who you are responding too.
     
  5. Thie kid will die if he continues. Such poor genetics and poor cognitive processing. He is done. Either now or within a year. Lets not force this kid into a death camp. Its not fair. As Wayland said today, "Tua is a like a puppy that was run over by a tractor." Fatty hips, small shoulders, built like a mango. Its almost over. Let him go before he walks in circles the rest of his life.
     
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  6. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    I get banned for a month for calling someone a moron, but this is allowed.
     
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  7. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Well yeah, you're not supposed to insult other posters. ‍♂️‍♂️
     
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  8. It's not a hard concept. tua is a millionaire underperforming, short-armed gnome QB with a brain now made of mashed cauliflower that plays for the Fins. You dont play for the dolphins and make fun of normal people with actual physical and mental handicaps.
     
  9. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    What an obnoxious douche
     
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  10. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    LOL @ built like a mango.

    It'll be interesting to see what the NFL investigation says. If they think he sustained a concussion Sunday, and then had another Thursday. That can result in dementia-like symptoms for many years. Add in another one, and as you said, death camp, it's real scary shi*.
     
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  11. TheHighExhaulted

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    Again, glad we have so many neurologists here. Alot of good info.
     
  12. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah because people can't have opinions based on experience.

    You're basically saying that you can't be educated without a degree. Crazy.
     
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  13. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Welp. I guess this why you need stop with this rhetoric and listen to other people:

     
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  14. TheHighExhaulted

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    Perhaps, you should wait for the facts to come out.

     
  15. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    No need. The neurologists you thought omnipotent was already fired for "several mistakes in his evaluation."
     
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  16. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    No protocols were broken, no medical errors were made. This is the NFLPA saying "in hindsight you probably should have done this, now we have to fire you to cover our ***".
     
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  17. Dorfdad

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    So if everything was done as it was supposed to be why is the NFL firing the doctor? I mean I fell like they 100% need a scape goat to say Hey we did something now let’s this go away. If I was that doctor and I did what I was supposed to and did checks every day that week I would be filing a lawsuit against the NFL immediately. Poor man lost his career over Internet doctors witch hunting.
     
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  18. TheHighExhaulted

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    They're gonna use the wobble. They're gonna say Tua looked visibly stunned, even though he passed every test and showed no signs of a concussion, you shouldn't have let him back on the field.
     
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  19. Dorfdad

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    I mean if he is cleared and you he sat down like for 30 minutes because it was halftime and you ask the player and he wants to go back in. 100% of the teams in the NFL against an elite team would let him go back in. Not one team in contention would say we know your fine but let’s let you sit a game
     

  20. Lol neurologist fired. Now bow down and kiss the ring goober.
     
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  21. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I loathe obnoxious posts, but I’ll play along…

    WHY was this neurologist fired?
     
  22. Serpico Jones

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    He made several mistakes according to the NFLPA.
     
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  23. Two Tacos

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    The 2nd hand report has been:

    The NFLPA cited several factors in terminating the unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant involved in Tua Tagovailoa’s concussion check last Sunday – including failure to understand his role as UNC and hostility during the investigation process

    Haven't seen anything official yet. Sounds like their guy didn't do something and was hostile, or is being scapegoated. The failure to understand his role is a bit ambiguous, and "hostility" is subjective. They could announce exactly what he did or didn't do later. And, if he outright blew something, that could explain the hostility. I wonder if we will ever really know.
     
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  24. StaleTacos

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    That's nice but it means nothing. There's loopholes in the protocol. It's still entirely possible and becoming more and more likely Tua did in fact sustain a concussion against Buffalo.
     
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  25. The_Dark_Knight

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    And WHAT mistakes were made? WE don't know WHAT mistakes were made and because of litigious reasons, we won't know. I believe one other poster posed the question when asking what mistakes were made...clerical? medical? procedural? None of us know.

    The only quantifiable thing that's been publicly stated by the NFL and the NFLPA is that there are procedures need to be changed. Well, if the "mistakes made" were the neurologist followed the exact procedures in place that the league and union are saying needs to be changed, then he did nothing wrong.

    Now, if...and keep in mind IF it comes to light this neurologist failed to follow established procedures, then that's an entirely different animal all together and I will be the first to condemn this doctor for putting Tagovailoa at risk by clearing him to play, but NONE OF US KNOW ANYTHING...and until facts are actually made public for me to make an objective, educated and informed opinion, I'll not fall victim to the hysteria that so many of you seem to be easily led by the nose.
     
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  26. hitman8

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    You are the one being led by the nose, as you only believe what the NFL or NFLPA say. You can form an opinion without waiting for official sources to tell you what to believe.
     
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  27. hitman8

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    Yeas, I mean whether it was due to a poorly designed process or negligence by the doctos not following procedures, I think the result is the same. Tua suffered a concussion on Sunday and was allowed to go back in when he shouldn't have. Just based on the visual evidence it's pretty clear we should assume that.
     
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  28. The_Dark_Knight

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    Actually I’m not. What did I just say? Until we know WHAT mistakes were made…WHAT this neurologist did or failed to do, I’m not going to get wrapped up in the hysteria like so many of you are.

    I can play conspiracy theory all day long, but my wife would kick my a$$ for using up all of the aluminum foil for a hat.

    Facts gentlemen…who, what, when, where, why and how. I know it’s become a foreign concept as of late.
     
  29. hitman8

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    The facts I have are that Tua looked concussed on Sunday, and then looked concussed worse again on Thursday, based on video evidence. I don't need to wait for the NFL to tell me what to think before I form an opinion.

    It's not about conspiracy theories. It did not have to be a conspiracy, maybe someone just ****ed up. Unfortunately in today's world anyone that does not follow or believe in official narratives gets labeled a conspiracy theorist.
     
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  30. resnor

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    You are ignoring what you saw WITH YOUR OWN EYES, and, instead, are believing what you're told to believe. The neurologist was fired. If everything was fine with Tua and the decisions made, they wouldn't fire him.

    Seems to me you're ignoring the facts because then you can argue that Tua is fine.
     
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  31. The_Dark_Knight

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    You know, 5 years ago I really thought I was having a heart attack. I really did. I know what I felt, but after being examined and had numerous tests run on me by Dr Bean, it wasn’t a heart attack at all. It was merely a leaky heart valve if you will that allowed back flow of blood triggering a flutter.

    You say he LOOKED concussed…and he may very well have been but unlike you…unlike many, I’m waiting on the FACTS to come out. It doesn’t matter what someone LOOKED like, the only thing that matters is FACTS.

    If you go only by what someone looks like, or in my own personal case felt like, then I dont care what my cardiologist says…I HAD A HEART ATTACK, because that’s what I felt.

    Facts are a tricky thing and most don’t have the desire to indulge in them.
     
  32. TheHighExhaulted

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    They fired the guy for the "wobble". That's why they are changing the rule almost effective immediately if any player looks visually stunned, concussion or not, he is out of the game.

    The doctor still followed all protocols and no medical errors were made. I don't know what medical errors would mean. But, it sounds like every test that was administered was administered correctly and was passed by the player.

    I've read that the doctor was "combative" during the investigation, whatever that means. That could have contributed to his firing.

    But, when it's all said and done I think it will come out that Tua showed signs of a concussion, being visually stunned, even though he passed every concussion protocol test, the doctors shouldn't have let him back in the game. That's why the rule will be changed effective immediately.
     
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  33. The_Dark_Knight

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    Go back and re-read everything I’ve stated on the topic. What one sees with their own eyes isn’t a medical diagnosis.

    I’ve seen LOTS of things with my own eyes that prematurely formed an opinion until all of the facts came out. Then what I saw and the opinion I initially had was as stupid as a football bat.

    Keep in mind, I’ve NEVER said Tagovailoa didn’t suffer a concussion during last week’s game against the Bills. All I’ve said is the NFL’s concussion protocol was adhered to in the decision for him being cleared to play.

    Now we can discuss whether or not the protocol, process and procedures need to be altered. We can have that discussion all day long and you and I may be more in agreement than you think, but as it stands now, the process was followed.

    Now the neurologist that was fired for “mistakes”, I wanna know WHAT mistakes before I pass any final judgment.

    That’s the difference between knowledge and wisdom.
     
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    All I'm saying is, what I saw Thursday night was something I have never seen before, and it's incredibly concerning to me, and it's bothersome that so many are just trying to gloss over what happened Thursday.

    Maybe he wasn't concussed on Sunday, maybe it was simply a back/neck issue, and Thursday aggregated the neck/back injury from Sunday.

    Whatever happened, Thursday was very odd and concerning.
     
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    I’d like to know the definition of combative they were digging, digging, digging, digging, digging, trying to find any plausible reason to fire him as a scapegoat. I mean if he followed all of the rules that were set out by the NFL and they’re still trying to find a way to make him responsible I would be combative too. This is his career, his life and his future.

    Let’s be honest this is more about the NFL covering their *** from being sued by the NFL PA or players then then giving a **** about the players health
     
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  36. Serpico Jones

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    Mike McDaniel is getting ripped apart in these pre-game shows.
     
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  37. The_Dark_Knight

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    Oh no doubt. I think ALL of us were horrified by what we saw Thursday night. I think the only thing I saw that was more horrifying than that was Joe Thiesmann’s leg being nearly ripped off of his body. No one is going to argue how horrible that was and how concerning that was.

    But to automatically say “A” (Sunday) was the underlying cause for “B”, without having all
    If the facts is premature. Could A be the underlying cause if B? Most certainly! I’m not arguing that at all. Could A and B just be two completely different and separate incidents? Most certainly!

    Think about it. Tagovailoa was carted off the field and transported to the hospital. Very scary situation. His CT scan and MRI came back negative. Now I’m no doctor but what I know of TBIs from the military, a significant brain injury leaves some evidence that a CT and MRI would detect, even a couple of days after the injury. So we don’t know means a reasonable and prudent person would wait until all the facts are revealed before passing any could’ve, should’ve would’ve judgement.
     
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  38. The_Dark_Knight

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    Eff those sports reporters. It’s so flipping easy to arm chair quarterback without having been there. I can see the conversation at halftime last Sunday clear as day…

    Halftime
    McDaniel: How’s Tua?
    Doctor: He’s fine
    McDaniel: What??
    Doctor: Seriously, he’s fine, he suffered a back injury…strained muscles
    McDaniel: Are you sure?
    Doctor: we just examined him. He cleared protocol, all tests negative
    McDaniel: Tua, are you alright?
    Tua: yea coach I’m good
    McDaniel: Maybe you should sit this one out
    Tua: Coach, I’m good, seriously. C’mon, I passed all the tests.
    Mcdaniel: Ok, but if i see anything that makes me think you’re not ok, I’m pulling you, no if’s ands or butts

    Tua plays 2nd half, lights out, no indication contrary to what McDaniel has been told.

    So EFF these sports reporters.
     
  39. StaleTacos

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    The problem are the protocols themselves. There's a loophole they'll close.

    You should watch this video:
     
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    Actually, the GM has final say on whether the player can go back in or not, not McDaniel. If we are going to blame someone it should be Grier. Grier is also the one who pushed Flores to play Tua before he was ready his rookie year. As if I couldn't hate Grier enough already.

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ovailoa-should-have-played-on-thursday-night/
     
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