When Goodell says "we have not done enough" to ensure equitable hiring practices, the next question should ALWAYS be "Why not?". Failing to do that lets him and the owners kick the can down the road regarding accountability. He's going to say the same thing five years from now. But I don't blame him because he's employed by the owners and oligarchs gonna oligarch. Saying too much will find him out of work.
I'm not a lawyer, but let me offer two opposing thoughts: 1) It sounds like the lawsuit doesn't specifically state that Flores is ultimately holding the NFL accountable for discrimination through the Rooney Rule. I think that was his intention with this suit, but it doesn't specifically say it. You can't win an argument that you don't make to begin with- but maybe that plays out differently in court. 2) I don't think Flores intended to say conversations of bribery and tanking were discrimination. I think that was just added to sensationalize this case. However, if the specific claims were that it made it a hostile work environment and it made it impossible for him to succeed, that in itself is a form of discrimination. I do feel like there's a lawsuit there but it's not the one that was presented.
I guess wanting to win by losing one year is a hostile work environment. What a total load of steaming brown.........
A commitment toward diversity is not a core value of the NFL or its owners. Roger should admit it instead of saying the league has a lot of work to do every few years. I mean, if I see you pissing on my leg, don't tell me it's raining.
He is willing to "corraborate the coach's account". Meaning, Flores came to him and told him about it afterwards. A big nothingburger.
HE was fired for not making the playoffs and not doing what he's told. If you don't listen to your boss and don't make the goals that were set out for you you get fired in almost every job.
You also keep posting that two witnesses are lying- I guess because Ross is such an upstanding guy? That should also stop.
I think it's simple...Did Ross offer Flores extra dough to take some L's? YES....Did Flores in the name of pride and legacy that he was looking to build say "Screw you, I want to win, I coach football?" YES. It's as simple as that. Flores didn't speak up right away about it of course because things were looking rosy. The future was bright, we had playoff aspirations this year, we overcame adversity, reeled off seven straight wins, had a shot at the playoffs and barely missed. Ok...Two winning seasons in a row though, so Flores in essence has done his part. Then he was fired, became salty and spilled everything out of spite. That's how this has gone. I don't think witnesses are lying, I also don't think Ross is the Devil. I think he was just trying to do whatever it took to build a winner and I applaud him for that. If he offered Flo 100K to take a couple extra losses, I can't blame him at all, but he should have been a little more discreet about it. Clearly the guy has never been a criminal because if he actually was one, he would have taken the extra steps not to get caught. I kid about this last part, but I just don't see Ross as the villain everyone is making him out to be. People do it every day from the regular world to the sports world and on up from there. Behind the scene incentives are given out all the time. It sucks that Flores is snitching about this to be honest.
One? How about a few hundred thousand? https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/stephen-ross-soulcycle-equinox-trump Notice how he says one thing, then realizes he's caught in a lie and says the complete opposite with another lie (his Notes app messed up and wrote that stuff)? Notice how he instructs his employees to say he's not involved with the business...when he owns the businesses in question? There's nothing at all upstanding at all about lying to your customers...like Miami Dolphins fans, for instance.
Did I mention politics anywhere? I mentioned that Ross lied twice in that situation to cover his own butt. I think everyone has the right to believe whatever they want to believe, but be a man and stand by your convictions. Don't repeatedly lie to your customers and then try to play the victim.
There are two main problems with what Ross is alleged to have done. It's one thing to trade talent in order to tank and rebuild (and even that has its objectors) but it's another thing to ask a coach to intentionally lose games. We've spoken here many times about how the job of a HC is to build a team and lead men. Throwing games is the opposite of that. Does a HC tell his guys not to play hard, to miss tackles, miss kicks, throw picks, or just not put in effort? Not a chance. So what does he do, take his best players off, put them in poor positions? And his supporting coaches too? There's no way a coach, with any sense of integrity and concern for his players and coaches, can intentionally throw games. Ross, as an NFL owner, should know that. He needs to know that. Then, to take a matter of integrity and offer money to the HC to make it go away? Even worse. You just cannot do it. And if the allegations prove true, McDaniel might find he has a struggle because some players may start to doubt Ross and have a personal problem with him. As McDaniel said yesterday, it takes everyone working together. Players thinking their owner doesn't have the best in mind for them, won't help things. And if it's true and if that happens, if it does, then that's on Ross. Second, if these sorts of disagreements about winning were the main cause of the breakdown in relationship with Flores, then all the dirt that was thrown at Flores to paint him as a villain while Ross tries to look squeaky clean, are all a stain on Ross' character. Ross, knowing what had happened and understanding that despite whatever differences Flores was a man of integrity, should have found a way to fire Flores and maintain a good reputation. He came under fire for all sorts of things and yet it could be that Stephen Ross was the cause of the main breakdown in relationship by asking him to lose and being upset because he was winning. You don't let a man take all the flack in your place.
Had NOTHING to do with his physical appearance, and everything to do with how he talked, and how he did not seem like someone who could lead men.
Just heard Flores is now suing the Texans for not hiring him. Wow just because your'e a finalist doesn't mean you get the job this guy is a nut case so glad he's gone. I don't see why anyone will want to interview this guy ever again.. But i'm sure he will get a race baiting netflix special once he's out of the league for good.
You have a link? I'm not finding this on the internet. Saying he wasn't hired because of the lawsuit isn't the same thing as filing a hiring lawsuit, few of which succeed anyway because you usually can't prove you weren't hired because of some specific reason.
I just heard an announcer state it during all this super bowl build up as the headline flashed on the ticker below. It must be a new story i'm sure it will make the rounds soon. It sounds like an all new lawsuit just because he is so bitter.
Looks like you're right: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...e-a-claim-against-the-texans-for-retaliation/ Flores is starting to turn into the one of the people I disrespect most in football. What a loser.
This team is a dumpster fire and if we lose picks over Ross's stupidity I am done. I keep hitting a low point in how much I care about this team and I don't think it can get much lower.
I hope the owners force Ross to sell the team. If only the Robbies could have afforded to keep the team.
It is not uncommon for someone as wealthy as him to own several businesses and not be involved in them. You hire good people to run them. I have a friend that owns several businesses and he is only involved in one of them.
So now for Flores to win in court he’s going to have to go to court and prove Lovie Smith is an inferior coach to him. You establish discrimination by proving that you are better than the candidate hired. They’ve got similar career W-L% and Smith has a better playoff record. The lawyers advising Flores should stop worrying about getting their firm’s name in the headlines and worrying more about what is good for Flores.
Brian Flores lawsuit: Dolphins' Stephen Ross could lose team if tanking allegations proven true, per report There could be an ownership change in Miami if evidence proves what Brian Flores alleges By Patrik Walker 6 hrs ago2 min read Getty Images With Super Bowl LVI now in the rearview, the NFL has nothing to distract from the glaring allegations against Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross -- levied by former head coach Brian Flores in a lawsuit that claims Ross offered as much as $100,000 for every loss the team landed in 2019. The alleged goal was to intentionally tank for a better draft spot, something that strikes at the very heart of the league's integrity, and after initially issuing a statement stating Flores' allegations were "without merit," NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has since done an abrupt and definitive about-face. The league has not only launched an investigation into Flores' allegations of Rooney Rule violations by the New York Giants in their hiring process that ended with Brian Daboll being named head coach, but also into claims Ross was attempting to pay for losses. It's a damning allegation that, if proven true, could result in extreme discipline, up to and including Ross being forced out of the NFL by a vote of other owners -- per Ian Rapoport of NFL Network. "I do believe that clubs do have the authority to remove an owner from the league," Goodell said on Wednesday. It would require a three-fourths vote among ownership, but given the accusations, it is entirely possible. That is, of course, if the NFL can prove an offer to Flores occurred, which would also lead to sanctions by the league itself against the organization and not simply against Ross. That could come in the form of a massive fine and/or lost future draft picks, and anything else Goodell feels is justified, although the commissioner won't speculate on what the punishment(s) would be, other than to intimate they'd match the extreme severity of the possible violation. Ross adamantly denies the allegations. "I am a man or honor and integrity and cannot let them stand without responding," he said, via the Miami Herald. "I take great personal exception to these malicious attacks, and the truth must be known. His allegations are false, malicious and defamatory. We understand there are media reports stating that the NFL intends to investigate his claims, and we will cooperate fully. "I welcome that investigation and I am eager to defend my personal integrity, and the integrity and values of the entire Miami Dolphins organization, from these baseless, unfair and disparaging claims." It wouldn't be the first time in recent history an NFL owner has been forced out, with former Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson having been forced to sell five years ago in light of racial slurs and sexual harassment allegations -- the latter mirroring what Washington Commanders owner Dan Snyder is currently attempting to defend himself against both to the U.S. Congress and now the NFL. The investigation into Ross is still in its infancy, but the league appears hell-bent on getting to the truth of the matter, considering the possible ramifications that extend into the realm of sports betting. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ong-top-five-value-plays-for-super-bowl-lvii/
Not sure... He wanted both brady and Burrows.... seems like owner knows more then the coach he fired.
Never seen this 'show' before, no idea how it is but apparently Flores gave an interview that is due out on the 21st.
