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This Team is Chronically Sick - Don't expect winning until we're cured.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Oct 3, 2021.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    When Ross is no longer the owner - whether that sooner or later - Bruce Beal becomes Miami's next owner (unless something changes).

    Here's a little bit about the potential future of Miami:

     
  2. Lithoman

    Lithoman New Member

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    Oh, and this is where I get on the soap box... YES, we could of had Brees, in FA... I was feeling terrific about the Phins back then... we hired, wait for it....wait... Nick Saban has our HC AND GM!!!! That's one boy that can properly evaluate talent!!! His #1 priority was to get Brees in Miami.... when the rubber hit the road, AND Saban got denied Brees by the ownership... Nick gave the ownership the big FU and left two months into his tenure for Alabama....

    The writing has ALWAYS been on the wall, the ownership has ALWAYS been the problem... if you do quality, TQM (Total Quality Management) says ALL problems are Top-Down.

    It's true. You can try to excuse it by saying the guy on the floor, "I can't control him".... that ain't cutting it... you don't have the proper systems in place... AND the kicker is, it's usually because the top guy don't want to spend the money... which is how I've always felt this debacle in Miami is always about... the cash
     
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  3. Lithoman

    Lithoman New Member

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    Remember how Heizenga set Miami up. To move to LA... when he got denied from the big market... he sold the team...
     
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  4. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    I agree that ownership and management have been Miami's biggest problem, thus this thread, however, with Ross the issue hasn't been a willingness to spend money. It's hard to define, exactly, the problem, but I think one of the biggest components is his absence from the team in regular running. He's too distant from it, and trusts others to run the team, but at the same time then weighs in. His presence is felt but is not helpful.

    Connected with this is his inability to know how to build a football team. Perhaps this is why he is distant. He doesn't know, and he knows he doesn't know. He wants to see Miami successful but he doesn't know how to do it.

    That's how it appears to me so far.
     
  5. Lithoman

    Lithoman New Member

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    I get where ya coming from. Way I've always felt, don't know if it's correct or not, but I've always felt like it's a leverage problem. I know he's a big real estate mogul. BUT, most of that is net worth and not liquid. Everything to me, always feels like it's a "lower cost" option....

    Don't know if that's the case... but what did he buy the team for, 2.8 Billion? Something along those lines... dunno, just never felt right with Ross... now, Huizenga, I agree totally with ya him. But, that's the past...
     
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  6. hitman8

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    His willingness to spend money is relative. He invested in the stadium because it pays itself back. It was a business decision. But when we have to spend money on a top notch oline coach for example, the FO says no. We've been hiring relatively cheap up and coming coordinators instead of going after the high paid proven coaches. And Ross's biggest mistake of all is picking terrible GMs with unproven or bad records to run things. He should find a proven coach/GM who knows football and has a proven record, pay him what he wants and give him all the resources he needs to run things, then get out of the way.
     
  7. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I don't think it's that hard to define - we haven't had a coach/QB combo that works. It's that simple imo. Today's league is an offensively driven, QB centric league. It's very hard to have success, especially sustained success, without a high-level QB in addition to a bright coach who can put together A+ staffs on both sides of the ball and maximize the talent of the entire team.

    Flores, for all we thought of him defensively, was an absolutely abysmal coach when it came to offense. He was unable to put together a decent staff, unable to bring in creative minds or create a coherent offensive strategy or take advantage of what talent he had. It's the main reason I wasn't sad or surprised to see him fired, especially because there was no evidence he would be able to fix it or get better.

    I don't think there is an inherent benefit to an owner being "close" to the team. If anything, that just leads them to meddle and tinker.

    For us to be successful, we need to hope we hire the right guy and that they can unlock the potential of Tua to be a good QB. And if that just isn't happening, we need to identify and acquire a replacement.
     
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  8. KeyFin

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    I disagree- I think it was more personnel than anything on offense, not the coaching or the QB. Our offense was highly effective in letting a young QB have one of the fastest releases in football, because that's the only option we had with this offensive line and the receivers. It also took a 1-7 start to figure all that out because there were so few options.

    I realize some people wanted a more dynamic, high powered offense. But we didn't have a roster to deliver that with only one reliable receiver who could get open quickly. And we didn't have the protection to let the deeper stuff develop. That was the best we could deliver under those circumstances and I think the co-OC's did a good job for what they had.

    Does that mean I want to see the same thing next year? ^&% no! I want to see 11 participants on offense. I want to see DL getting knocked on their asses. I want to see frequent deep shots on 2nd and short...I want a real offense. That was not an option in 2021 though.
     
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  9. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    It's a mix of things, all of which ultimately land at the feet of Flores.
     
  10. resnor

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    That's sort of the point though, Key. I've heard this exact argument countless times over the past 20 years. So, year in and year out, we have stagnant offenses, no true #1 receiver, tight end barely used in passing game. We never have the roster. We are on a **** carousel, and I don't see it ending any time soon.
     
  11. djphinfan

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    We still don’t know know if Ross or grier forced Tua into the lineup when all signs said not ready and not needed. Common sense says his hand was forced.

    I find it hard to believe a real football coach would make such a dumb dumb move, considering the abundance of evidence we had.
     
  12. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Indeed.
     
  13. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. It’s easy to say he was an abysmal coach when the Gm takes Tua over Herbert, Austin Jackson over Justin Jefferson and Noah I over Edwards-Helaire or Taylor. What would this offense look like had we just selected those 3 picks differently. Then that changes your 2021 were you can take Sewell or Slater shore up your OL or sit at 3 and take Chase to complete the best WR corp in the NFL.

    Flores had his faults which is to be expected with a first time HC. Let’s just hope the wolves aren’t tearing apart McDaniel if he’s showing some results but hasn’t quite got us over the hump. I believe a HC needs 4-5 years unless your Cincy and completely acing your drafts.

    And let’s not forget fixing this franchise is like getting the Titanic to float after it sank.
     
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  14. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Well you don't need to ask a coach to tank if you have the ability to force him to play whatever QB you want.

    All the stories after he was fired plus his own side in the lawsuit paint a picture of a coach who had control of the roster. He made the call.
     
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  15. djphinfan

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    If that is true that he made the call, Well then Flores is as dumb as ****..
     
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    That doesn't jive with his insistence on bringing in Fitzpatrick to save the day at the end of games if possible. Who knows though.
     
  17. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah it shows that his hand was forced it seems
     
  18. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    He regretted it but he knew he couldn't go back on it?

    Is it really impossible to believe that a coach could bench Fitzpatrick after a mediocre game and with a bye week coming up in favor of the QB who is the supposed to be their future?

    The bottom line is we have zero evidence that says it was forced on him. Where are the reporters backing that up? Why wasn't that included with the other dirt Flores through out there? He wouldn't have a beef with not being allowed to make that call?
     

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