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End of Season Thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Destroyer, Oct 17, 2021.

  1. btfu149

    btfu149 Well-Known Member

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    How has no one been fired yet?!
     
  2. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Who specifically do you want fired, and who is the replacement?
     
  3. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Does it matter who the replacement is? This season is over. Fire them, promote an interim even if they're incompetent and try to replace in the offseason.
     
  4. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    If the idea is "fire Flores" then no, but it's also not happening. You may as well just ask why nobody is giving you a million bucks. If it's a coordinator, then my question stands. If one of our duo (trio?) of OCs is the issue, then sure demote that one, but I don't see Flores firing everyone mid-season.
     
  5. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Well, Flores SHOULD be fired, but if we're restricted to one of the three O-coords, does it matter which one you fire?
     
  6. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    No, because why fire one vs the other? The duo thing has just created a mess of accountability.

    You could fire them both (and admit you botched hiring TWO guys instead of one, not a great look for a Flores looking to save his job) and then ... what? Promote the play caller calling the garbage plays? The WR coach? Hire Gailey again?

    I get the point, but I just don't see what's out there to replace them with, which is one of the reasons I'm asking. And no, "anybody" - while a satisfying snark - is not a real answer.
     
  7. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    You don't see who to replace them with? The damned waterboy would be an improvement. LOOK AT THE STATS. Look how low we're rated and tell me how that could get any worse.
     
  8. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Fire Grier first. Replace him with a warm body, anybody, and begin to look for a new GM asap.

    Flores should stay, but he should at least demote one of the OCs, just settle on one.
     
  9. djphinfan

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    Tua is coming..gonna make a lot of folks who talked badly about him sweat
     
  10. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    So you've never heard of Chris Grier? The doofus that set the Dolphins back another decade... That's weird for a 'phinattic'

    After Flores performance against Jax why should his job be safe? I'm done with hurry up and wait. I see a pea-brain.
     
  11. mlb1399

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    I’d love nothing more than to have that be correct. I just don’t trust him to stay healthy for an entire season. Which means we’ll always be relying on Brissett or someone like him to win a few games for us.
     
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  12. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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  13. KeyFin

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    I don't think Manning would have the experience to be a GM right off the bat...he'd need a transitional position or two before taking the helm. But on the coaching side? I think he'd make an amazing head coach or offensive coordinator.
     
  14. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Peyton Manning is not going to run or coach a team. He can make more money doing silly TV shows and commercials.
     
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  15. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    It definitely wouldn't be for the money- he has plenty of that already. The only way he goes into coaching is his passion for the game and missing it. And there's no way he'd want to come to Miami.

    I was mainly just adding to the conversation.
     
  16. tirty8

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    Here are my thoughts on Peyton. I think that he is probably more than capable of assessing WRs, RBs, TEs, CBs, and LBs. I think that that he probably has a strong knowledge of what kind of offense that he would want to install based on players on our roster and player targets.

    I do think that he can do things that other GMs could not do. I think part of the reason he went to Denver in the first place was because of Elway. Tom Brady and Bruce Arians was able to lure Gronk out of retirement because they understand the player component. I sincerely think that Manning's presence as GM would be attractive to players and especially older players.

    The Manning name is football royalty. I do think that doors that previously were thought to be closed might be slightly ajar. Simply liking your boss goes a long way. I gotta believe that the first thing that Manning would think is, "Let me get Tony Dungy on the phone." I think Tony is seriously not coming back. But when the GM knows you as a person and respects you as a coach, maybe he can offer up an arrangement that other teams simply can't or aren't willing to offer.

    Let's say Dungy is firmly committed to retirement. What about Gary Kubiak? The stress of being a HC is clearly too much, but could Manning hand him the offense and let Flo stay and focus on the defense? Could he offer him a lesser role as QB coach? If he told Ross that he was a really important piece of rebuilding the team, I don't think Ross would hesitate. I think a guy like Manning hiring him would be significantly different than Flores. I don't think he would want to work for Grier. I think Manning would roll into the situation being keenly aware that Kubiak is doing him a favor by taking the job and the current situation is a mess. I think that simply understanding probably would mean a lot to a guy like Kubiak.

    These are just two guys that I can think of off the top of my head. I sincerely believe that Manning could open doors and bring unique value that others simply cannot bring.
     
  17. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Archie Manning, Dakota Fanning...ANYONE and I mean right down to one of us here, could do a better job than Grier has done.
     
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  18. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I'm honestly a little surprised no owner has decided to save some money and just go with fan consensus lol. Have them vote on the picks, free agent acquisition targets, contract generalities. Hell, have them pick the coach.

    It would likely be an unmitigated disaster ... but a good quarter of the league is an unmitigated disaster and has been for years sooooo ...
     
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  19. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    I think being a GM looks easy on the outside surface, but once you dive into it, it becomes very complicated. A lot of us that are calling for the head of Chris Grier were very happy with this past and previous drafts (at the time). Excited over free agent acquisitions. Some of us were saying that losing Van Noy, Barrett, Flowers, Karras, and some of these other vets was no big deal because all they were doing were stunting the growth of our younger guys. We're 1-5 right now, but lets say we beat the Raiders, and we beat the Jags...That would put us 3-2. Would we still be calling for the execution of Chris Grier? Would we still be making constant posts about a new head coaching search? I don't think so. It's crazy how momentum can swing in sports for the fans. I was cursing Tua after he threw that INT on Sunday. Ready to burn his jersey! I had a big old negative post ready to be posted about how he is pure trash, and then all of a sudden he leads us back down the field for a touchdown. I just think we need to remain calm. But Chris Grier has definitely got to be re-evaluated this offseason. He's got 12 weeks as far as i'm concerned. I do think we need to pump the breaks on firing Flores. It's way too early for all that nonsense.
     
  20. mlb1399

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    I know I’m just an arm chair, has been D3 former football player but here are things I knew:
    1. Herbert > Tua
    2. Chase at 3 or Parsons at 6

    In my opinion, if you miss on a franchise QB and then you follow that up with Austin Jackson and Noah I, then you’ve got a lot of explaining to do. I think this draft will end up shaping out ok. But the 2017 draft was a complete waste. The 2015, 2016 and 2018 drafts helped us acquire a good but rarely healthy WR, an elite CB who can’t stay healthy and a decent TE.

    What we’re seeing on the field and the lack of leadership in the lockeroom comes down to those 2015-2018 drafts. Then when you evaluate the 2019 draft, Wilkins has played better this year, AVG has been non-existent and Gaskin is a back up on most teams.

    I just don’t know how you can justify keeping a guy with that many misses.

    I’m on board with giving Flores another year but he has to show me a lot. Grier has already shown me too little.
     
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  21. cbrad

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    It likely would work better than the current approach if you used prediction markets. There's a massive body of literature showing that the "wisdom of crowds" is better than the ability of most individuals (even experts) if the "bettors" have diverse information and decentralized decision-making, both of which are satisfied with football fans.

    The challenge is getting people to "bet" on an outcome that can be verified true or false, like player X will start at least 4 years, etc. Ideally people actually bet money, but I think you could make it work even with play money as long as people can see who is doing best, creating the necessary incentive to get the prediction right.

    If I were an owner I'd actually do this though I would target football fans that post about football, and definitely not just fans of one team.

    btw.. this is only anecdotal evidence, but we would have drafted Brees in 2001 if we went by fan wisdom.
     
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  22. hitman8

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    This, I have actually proposed this before. Put our draft picks up for a vote among knowledgeable fans, most of the time it will work out better than having some wannabe know it all calling the shots.
     
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  23. Irishman

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    Ignore this post and watch the team the rest of this season to see what really develops. - LOL

    Well, you did ask for it - LOL
     
  24. Irishman

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    Clear Skies that don't fall - LOL
     
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  25. JIGGAJOE

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    I think Grier should be fired before he can do any more damage. However, the next GM will have to decide Flores' fate. If you can make it to the deadline without Grier bumbling things up, then fire him at the end of the year. Either way I would already start some interviews.
     
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