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I guess not dead yet - Dolphins looking to trade for Watson

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Aug 28, 2021.

  1. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    If you actually listened to the interview he went on to say the compensation is nowhere close and it won't happen with Watson's legal troubles unresolved.
     
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  2. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    That’s not what he said. He said the compensation isn’t close yet but he thinks it’ll likely happen.
     
  3. firedan

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    Texans looking to trade with a team as stupid as them.I hope Miami isn't that stupid to give up that much.
     
  4. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    If it happens, I'll be shocked and honestly disappointed as well. I know Watson is a "better" QB than Tua today and it could mean a Super Bowl run this year, but I also believe in loyalty. This wouldn't sit well with me.
     
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  5. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    It would turn me so off to this season. A season that I'm very much looking forward to with a 100% healthy Tagovailoa.

    I probably wouldn't watch much.
     
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  6. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I can’t see this happening. It makes NO sense at all unless it’s like Brad said…they would do it as part of a larger trade deal… to auction him off to a team that needs a quarterback but if it costs us too much, the return to investment wouldn’t balance out.

    And like you key, the lack of loyalty to the team…to the commitment the team made to set Tagovailoa up for success would, in my opinion cause the front office to lose the locker room
     
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  7. KeyFin

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    The only way cBrad's scenario plays out is if Watson agrees to play in Miami, then takes a new contract this season that doesn't contain the "no trade" clause. Why would he do that? He'd have to know that he'd have one foot out the door as soon as he signs with us. The only way I see that playing out is if he's talked to Flores/Grier up front and they give him a one-year timeline- come to Miami, we'll win a super bowl with you and this defense, then we let you choose a forever home one year removed from all this court stuff.

    If that was the plan, then I'd be all for it six months ago. And if they told Tua six months ago that this was their path forward and he'd learn under one of the best in the game, then I'd be okay with that path today. But it sure doesn't feel that way to me and if you think about it, why the heck would we trade Watson after an awesome year? Tua would be the one to trade if anything.

    Personally, I just don't want any part of this. We committed to Tua, he's worked his *** off and he looked impressive in pre-season. In my book, it's Tua's team and this offense is built in a way that he can thrive this season. The only way I'd take Watson for a future conditional 1st rounder that wouldn't be cashed in until after all the court stuff passes- which is why I said the 2023 1st we got in the trade. That would make Watson essentially free from moving off our original pick in 2021 and then we could move him (or Tua) down the road for pure profit. That's the only thing that makes sense, but I doubt Houston even considers it since they've already played this so horribly wrong.

    Bottom line, Houston is screwed and there's no possible way they come out of this whole. I don't want anything to do with all that drama since we have our quarterback. For me, it's Tua or bust in 2021 and it would take a terrible season for me to change that tune in 2022.
     
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  8. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Rosenhaus also said "Week 1 starter" which is a load of BS because Watson hasn't even been working out with NFL players and would have to learn a playbook in a week.

    I think someone is just trying to get his name in the news.

    Clown.
     
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  9. Striking

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  10. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Here's the quotes from Flores a few minutes ago-

    "Reports (and) speculation are not things we really get into. Look, I understand the question; but as I’ve said in the past, any conversations we have or don’t have with other clubs are going to be internal. I’ve been pretty steadfast about that – with our players, with other clubs – and that will remain the case," Flores told reporters.

    "I’m very confident in Tua. He’s done a lot of good things this spring, this offseason, this training camp. He played well last week. Again, my conversations with the players are going to always remain between me and that player. I talk to a lot of players every day. Obviously, I spend a lot of time with the quarterbacks. But yeah, those conversations will remain between myself and that player," Flores said.
     
  11. Galant

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    I don't agree with Ian's summary in the Tweet. Robinson says that the Tweets are based on a higher up in another organisation saying something is going on, there's momentum. Then he gathers the latest info on asking price etc. and assuming the higher up is correct he uses process of elimination to come down to the Dolphins as behind it.

    It could just be a fabrication by the higher up source, but it's not simply a regurgitation of the last six months.
     
  12. Galant

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  13. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Who is this clown? I bet alot of teams talked to Houston about a Watson deal during the course of this off-season.

    He reported they were the front runners and talks were heating up.

    Now he's going back on his statement saying nothing is imminent and he's challenging the Dolphins to say they have never talked to Houston at all?

    Who are you? Get out of here, clown.
     
  14. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Charles Robinson is an excellent reporter. People shouldn’t attack him just because they don’t like what he’s reporting.
     
  15. Vertical Limit

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    Nothing shocks me with the dolphins.. look at the cuts, trades and signings weve made since Flores took over.. and at the end, hes proven he can be trusted with such moves..

    if we trade for deshaun, Im not sure tua is leaving the dolphins on that trade… theyre going to try to capitalize and get draft picks for tua.. probably a first and conditional picks.
     
  16. TheHighExhaulted

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    His report that the Dolphins are the front runners and talks are heating up were quite erroneous and now he's challenging the Dolphins to confirm at some point during the off-season they had talks with Houston?

    Garbage.
     
  17. Galant

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  18. KeyFin

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    It's just sloppy reporting and it's not fair to anyone...especially Tua, our QB coaches and our offensive coordinators. They just spent months building a system around Tua and this BS story makes it sound like Grier is ready to throw away all their efforts on a QB that may not even be eligible to play this season. I'm sorry, that's not excellence in journalism.

    Robinson's statement is "Miami is still interested". Well duh...30 other teams are interested if the price is right and there's sufficient protections. Miami not denying interest is a heck of a lot different than us giving away a treasure-trove of draft picks though...that's the part Robinson completely made up.

    He's basically trying to say 1+1=7 because Miami isn't denying that my math could be wrong.
     
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  19. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    He didn't say a deal was imminent, others did. He said talks were active. His story is that he was asked what was going on, he started talking and he found out talks were still active but that many had pulled out and basically the Dolphins remained. That's his story, talks are active.
     
  20. Fireland

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    Dolphins being the frontrunner does make it sound like talks are serious and possible close to happening. Would it really matter who the front runner is if the teams aren't close or if a trade ended up not happening for 6 months?

    Why not just say Dolphins are still a team interested?
     
  21. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Because he says that the Dolphins are the last or main team interested. They're clearly at the head of the pack. There's a difference between a team being interested among others and a team being more interested or closer, for various reasons. If that's what he's heard then it's more accurate to state that. One other thing mentioned, I don't recall by whom, was that Watson prefers Miami as a destination, so that would also put Miami ahead.
     
  22. Galant

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    For the record, I'm not a fan of this. I'm just trying to provide Tweets and news since it's clearly significant for the Dolphins if true.
     
  23. Galant

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  24. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    But it doesn't really mean much if they aren't close to a deal

    Its click bait because it really doesn't sound like anything has changed over the last few months and we aren't any closer to seeing a trade
     
  25. KeyFin

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    Sure, but we've been told many, many times that Watson wanted to be traded to Miami. So it's not just us being interested, it's what Watson would agree to in 2021. The media has speculated a number of different ways, but I have a feeling that it was a one-team list this entire time now. Watson wants to be a Dolphin under Flores and Grier, two African-American leaders who are highly respected and receive the full support of the owner.

    Of course he wants to come to Miami, and that means the Texans have exactly one team to keep conversations going with. Everything else is just noise created by reporters. We are the only team interested because we are the only team where a trade is possible.
     
  26. Galant

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    True, but Miami don't have to be interested. If they are still engaged in talks that means that there is the possibility of them bringing in Watson.
     
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  27. Serpico Jones

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    **** it, let’s just roll with Tua. You don’t trade three first round picks for a god damn soul. It could cripple the entire franchise like the Ricky Williams trade/fiasco.
     
  28. Galant

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  30. Striking

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    I like that Flores response better than the others. At least here he acknowledged the rumor and said to ignore it.
     
  31. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Adam Schefter says if Watson is to be traded it’ll happen before tomorrow at 4pm. He admitted he doesn’t know what Houston is going to do.
     
  32. OwesOwn614

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    And here it is. A reporter just wanted to put his name on the national radar and connected dots for that hot scoop. What a joke.
     
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  33. Galant

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    Posted it earlier. If you watch the video then the Tweeter's summary, Ian, is a little inaccurate:

    "I don't agree with Ian's summary in the Tweet. Robinson says that the Tweets are based on a higher up in another organisation saying something is going on, there's momentum. Then he gathers the latest info on asking price etc. and assuming the higher up is correct he uses process of elimination to come down to the Dolphins as behind it.

    It could just be a fabrication by the higher up source, but it's not simply a regurgitation of the last six months."
     
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  34. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    LOL, we all know what Houston will do....the same thing they've done all year. They're going to expect Watson to come to his senses, kiss the ring and live happily ever after as a football talent without a voice. They are absolutely delusional in their expectations.
     
  35. Rick 1966

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    I wouldn't trade three first rounders for anyone. Screw that.
     
  36. OwesOwn614

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    Sorry for the repost. But what a bunch of crap to throw some kindling into a dying fire. It gave us something to talk about for a couple days, though.
     
  37. OwesOwn614

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    It would take a lot more than that. We'd have to jettison several good players to make room for Watson on the salary cap. We'd have an upgrade at QB at the cost of mortgaging our future in addition to wrecking our depth. Losing good players that you can't replace later (due to lack of draft capital) is the recipe for derailing the rebuild completely.
     
  38. KeyFin

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    I completely agree. Our team is young, talented and very affordable for the next 3-5 years, plus we have plenty of draft capital to continue filling holes and developing young players. We're in the best shape of almost any team in the league, including the powerhouses like KC and Tampa, because what they've built isn't sustainable long-term.

    Watson is "doable" but I feel like the cost is too great- we'd have to jettison some contracts immediately plus give up a haul of draft picks. I honestly don't think Watson makes us a better team in 2021; our offense may be better, but overall we'd be without several important pieces. That's why I've never bought into the hype of this happening this year- we would have seen that unfolding months ago.
     
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  39. Finatik

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    Are you a massage therapist??? LoL
     
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  40. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    LMAO, only if there's more plaintiff slots available!
     
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