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Dolphins get over the 85% goal

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  1. resnor

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    1000% yes.

    People have got to wake up. We have "unalienable rights." Unalienable means exactly what it says. They cannot be taken away, or given away, under any circumstances. They are inherent to us as humans. There's no clause that says the government can decide when they are actually unalienable, and can infringe on them as they see fit.

    Americans are sacrificing their rights for perceived safety. There are things worse than death.

    Also, on the mask thing...Fauci COULD HAVE recommended making your own cloth masks from the very beginning. He definitely could have recommended those while warning to leave actual PPE so that healthcare workers could have them.
     
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  2. KeyFin

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    I'm not sure why there's so much hostility in your post, but I really think you need to take a step back and think about how the world actually works. Fauci provided the best possible advice that he could at the time, which is the exact same thing the CDC and everyone else did. If you're angry about that, I don't know what to tell you...maybe move to China where you'll comply or be imprisoned? Or you can try Sweden, where they said the best course of action was to do nothing. Two completely different philosophies and they also made it out of the pandemic like we did.

    Just so you know, there's no Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus...your parents made them up to make your childhood more magical. Are we okay with those lies for the public's good? Or how about a gunshot victim that will clearly be dead within minutes- should the first responder say, "Sorry, you're definitely dying buddy!"

    I don't believe anything the government or media tells me- I research topics I care about any make my own decisions. But the outrage you're showing; you should probably never watch television, listen to radio or use the internet ever again, since they're all intentionally lying to you just like the government.

    Where does the list end? McDonalds has a commercial that says they have the best chicken sandwich...but it's the same crap they've always served! No more McDonalds for you....probably no restaurants anywhere. And every car dealer, cell and internet provider, bank, insurance company; they all say they have the best service at the cheapest prices! You'd better cut all that stuff out of your life too!

    That cashier in the grocery store that smiles and says, "Have a great day!" Guess what, they could care less how your day goes! So you'd better cut out shopping all together just to be safe. Maybe buy a few guns and hunt for your food...if only you could find an honest gun dealer. Oh well, maybe you'll have to steal your survival tools, just to avoid the lies of the world from your cave. And your family...better not let them in there with you, because they've lied to you more than everyone else combined! Maybe it's best to just find a small island somewhere and be 100% in isolation, then nobody could ever lie to you again!

    And hey, you'd have your freedoms too!
     
  3. KeyFin

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    I agree, but your inalienable rights can be denied if you're not a law abiding citizen. That can kick off an entirely new argument on what rights the state has to govern, and what rights they can legally change/suspend during a civil emergency.

    The argument against Fauci assumes that he was granted free speech and the ability to convey information as he saw fit...which are viewed as inalienable rights in the United States. But I think we can agree that he did not have those liberties in his position.
     
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  4. resnor

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    Yeah, I agree. I mean, frankly, lying is Constitutionally protected free speech. I actually have problems with some of our laws, like felons not being able to vote, or own firearms. I understand the rationale behind those things, BUT, I don't agree with removing people's unalienable rights. I support it while they're serving their time, but once they're done, their rights should be restored.

    Restricting rights due to an emergency? That's completely different.
     
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  5. OwesOwn614

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    Two NFL teams remain under the 50 percent COVID-19 vaccination threshold, per report

    Thirteen teams are reportedly above the 85% threshold


    By Tyler Sullivan

    As training camps across the NFL are set to open up in less than two weeks, some teams may be looking at a competitive disadvantage due to their vaccination rates. According to Tom Pelissero of the NFL Network, two teams remain under 50% vaccinated. This is improved from four clubs being under that threshold, which Rob Maaddi of the Associated Press noted in a report released on Thursday. The Los Angeles Chargers, Washington Football Team, Indianapolis Colts, and Arizona Cardinals were said to be the teams with the four lowest COVID-19 vaccination rates in the league as of Thursday, per the AP's source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, but it's unclear which two still remain under 50%.

    Meanwhile, the NFL Network adds that 13 teams are over the 85% vaccinated threshold and 73.8% of players have at least one shot. The AP adds that the Pittsburgh Steelers, Miami Dolphins, Carolina Panthers and Denver Broncos are among with teams with the highest vaccination rates.

    Maaddi notes that teams are required to have a method of easily identifying vaccinated individuals (Ex. credentials, color-coded wristbands, etc.). While fully vaccinated players face relaxed protocols this season, unvaccinated players will be required to undergo daily testing, wear masks and practice social distancing. Other restrictions include not being allowed to eat meals with teammates, participate in media or marketing activities while traveling, using the sauna or steam room and being confined to the team hotel while traveling. Vaccinated players have no such restrictions.

    These vaccination numbers come in particular focus as we not only creep toward the start of the NFL's regular season but as the COVID-19 pandemic continues to be a thorn in the side of professional sports in the United States. The Red Sox-Yankees game scheduled for Thursday to begin the second half of the MLB season was postponed due to an outbreak within New York's clubhouse. Team USA basketball's exhibition with Australia was canceled due to health and safety concerns after star guard Bradley Beal was sent home and will no longer participate in the Olympics.

    The AP reports that the NFL does not plan to postpone games this season, so naturally, teams with fewer players vaccinated do open themselves up to playing under less-than-ideal conditions. There was arguably no greater example of that in 2020 than when the Broncos' entire quarterback room was ineligible to play in Week 12 due to COVID-19, thrusting wide receiver Kendall Hinton in as the team's starting quarterback. If teams want to avoid a similar scenario and have a fully equipped squad heading into a game on a weekly basis, having a high vaccination rate is paramount.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...nt-covid-19-vaccination-threshold-per-report/
     
  6. Finatik

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    What?? You’re post didn’t go to anything I said. I’m not angry. Well a little at myself for just believing everything they said. I find your stance of its in the public’s best interest to be lied to very typical of why these liars have taken the power they have. We gave it away.

    Fauci lied. Admitted it. If he would lie about that what else would he lie about. You would give him a gold medal. If what I think is what the truth is comes to light, I hope he chokes on that medal.

    I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I just look at only 3 places in the world gain of function could be happening. Weird out of all the world it happened to come from Wuhan. One of the 3. And not one bat has been found since with this virus but somehow it crossed over from that one bat in a wet market. Ok sure. We could ask the Dr.s at the Wuhan lab. Ooopsss. Most of them are dead or disappeared. Weird right? The head of the WHO investigation team looking into it is the to guy promoting gain of function and advocates for it. Weird that he found nothing right? If you think that equates to a tooth fairy tale and doesn’t even raise an eyebrow so be it. But don’t play that “why are you so angry” game. It’s the first line of defense when your position is suspect.
     
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  7. Den54

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    AMERICA!
     
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  8. Finatik

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    That’s some funny stuff that’s
    That’s some funny stuff thanks for the laugh. We all could use more laughs.
     
  9. plc001

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    Mankind has access to the totality of discovered information in the palm of his hand… yet it’s useless cause it’s become impossible to determine fact from fiction. I can find a “credible” website to defend any position I feel like.

    We are all made sheep.
     
  10. KeyFin

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    The virus was obviously created in a lab; it's far too unique compared to other viruses out there. I don't even question that part- the only question left for me is if it was released on purpose or not.

    But getting back to Fauci, did you really expect him to accuse China in the early stages? That quite possibly would have led to WWIII. Fauci did his job and said as much as he was allowed to say, both as a scientist and a political figure trying like mad not to play politics. I honestly feel bad for the guy because there were no right answers- he was extremely limited on what he was allowed to say.

    It's a completely unique time in our country's history though and we learned so much in such a short amount of time.
     
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    Regarding reliable sources, the journal Nature is pretty much near the top of that list and they have a nice short summary of the evidence for and against the lab leak hypothesis:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3

    Just a few quotes that address some things brought up in the posts above:
    There's a section on whether there are any genetic or molecular features that suggest the virus was created in a lab that you can read. It seems like right now the evidence is more on the side of a natural origin for the virus, though you can't rule out a lab origin.
     
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  12. JPPT1974

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    Would not be surprising if it is that of Brian Flores backing. As he seems to be concerned about his players.
     
  13. OwesOwn614

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  14. aesop

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    Again - do the vaccines work? What is everyone afraid of?
     
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  15. OwesOwn614

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    ~97% of the serious cases of Covid (hospitalizations and deaths) are among the unvaccinated. Take that for what it is, but since more than half of the adults in the country have been vaccinated, it leads many (most) to believe the vaccine is effective. With that being said, the prevalence of the Delta variant is going to lead to mutations within the population and there's reason to believe that the next iteration is going to be much more deadly to vaccinated people.

    I hear many say that they'll take the vaccine when their "questions get answered" but none of those folks seem to know what their questions are, let alone as if they're actively seeking the answers to them.*

    *This is the point where somebody chimes in that they read information *somewhere* that suggests that just as many vaccinated people are sick and dying as unvaccinated, the vaccines are killing more people than they're helping, that jabs make us magnetic, Dr. Fauci is an extraterrestrial agent that was planted by the Chinese government 40 years ago with an endgame of forcing Americans into taking shots that will turn us into zombies with the ultimate goal of using us to stave off a global food shortage because Soylent Green is people.

    We are doomed.
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  16. aesop

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    So do the vaccines work? Who gives a **** which players didn't take it? Did you take it? You should be good then...
     
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    If anybody had a post on Facebook or video on YouTube from this virus coming from Wuhan lab last year it would magically disappear or labeled misinformation!.
    This is because Faucci help fund gain of function from this lab and they are covering it up!
     
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  18. KeyFin

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    I don't care for "outing" the non-vaccinated and honestly, it doesn't make any sense. As you just said, the vaccine prevents serious cases of COVID at a high rate (85-97% depending on the type of vaccine & the variant). However, it does not prevent anyone from catching a mild case of COVID and transmitting it to others.

    To me, identifying the un-vaccinated is not only useless, but it can actually be dangerous in spreading fear.
     
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  19. invid

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    Oof.
     
  20. Disgustipate

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    I don't really know how to explain it other than like 30% of the population has some sort of adult onset oppositional defiant disorder that is basically just irrational outbursts but also somehow drives them to do some real half *** illiterate research while doing it? You'd think it'd be one or the other.
     
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  21. OwesOwn614

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    So, this is how the world ends. Not with a bang, but a bunch of whimpering.
     
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  22. OwesOwn614

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    I agree. But I think the article is alluding to people being outed, not because they're named publicly, but because it's hard to disguise the fact that some players are masked and others are not. Also, some will be seen in public while others have to remain in the hotel.
     
  23. resnor

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    I mean, believe what you want. Do what you want. Me, I think it's silly to believe that here in America, it's the unvaxxed being infected, hospitalized and dying, while that isn't true in other countries. Israel, for instance, 50% of new infections are fully vaxxed individuals, and 60% of "serious" cases are fully vaxxed. Similar in the UK.

    So why is it unreasonable to question the things that we are being told, when we have 15 months constantly conflicting guidance and constantly changing science that show that they can't be trusted?

    Anyway, I'll not say anymore on this, cause we aren't ever going to agree, and we're not gonna change each other's mind. So, peace and love to you all.
     
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  24. OwesOwn614

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    I hope it doesn't cost you what I lost to decide to lean on the side of caution. But God speed.
     
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  25. KeyFin

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    Exactly, that's the same thing I think every time I hear someone dead-set against the vaccine. It has nothing to do with me being right or wrong- it's what I've personally seen this virus do to people's lives.
     
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    I actually tried to verify that statement and couldn't. I did find Israel is about 60% vaccinated and over 50% of their recent cases have fallen in the 1-19 age range (11.8% 0-9, 39.6% 10-19). In total, they're seeing 400+ cases per day currently, but it's also worth pointing out that they're testing super heavy and those #'s include asymptomatic cases.

    They've had 39 COVID deaths in the past month and 47 of their 4,000 active cases are considered "serious". To put that in perspective, Israel has a population of just over 9 million people.
     
  27. Disgustipate

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    I like to knock a couple back before I drive anywhere, no one will tell you the truth but the majority of fatal accidents are actually cause by the sober.

    Why yes, that has also influenced my understanding of statistics why do you ask?
     
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  28. resnor

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    Thanks for your concern (not being sarcastic here). I believe that we die when it's our time to die. We cannot change that. So whether I die from covid, or I die from complications from the injections, or I die in a car accident going to get my injections, it doesn't matter. So I choose to not live my life in fear.
     
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  29. resnor

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    Dave Champion has the info on his Facebook page.
     
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    I bet you still wear a seat belt though

    And you are living your life in fear. Not getting the vaccine is based on fear.
     
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  31. Disgustipate

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    I mean if you're really emotionally committed to the idea that vaccines don't work, I guess it makes sense to take concrete steps to make sure they don't work by offering yourself up as a petri dish for mutations. It's still a kind of concern for community health, just for the virus itself. Takes all types I guess?
     
  32. Den54

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    Well it is the law fwiw.
     
  33. resnor

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    That's a false equivalent. I don't wear a seatbelt because I am trying to avoid death. I choose to wear a seatbelt because I don't want to deal with crazy injuries. But, I remember a time when seat belts weren't worn routinely. I don't know anyone who died in a car accident because they weren't wearing a seatbelt.

    And I vehemently disagree with mandatory seatbelt laws, and I do not care one way or another of another human chooses to not wear a seatbelt.
     
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  34. resnor

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    It's not the law in NH.
     
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    All this talk of mutations...when alleged viruses mutate, they don't get more deadly. For instance, I was reading an article a couple weeks ago about a flu that ripped through Russia in the 1890s, killing a million or more. They believe that many of the flus around today are mutations of that one.
     
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    Doesn't change that I assume you do or would do things to protect yourself. Do you look both ways before crossing the road? If you got sick would you go to a doctor? Would you take medicine? If so why? If its your time to go its your time.
     
  37. Den54

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    Oh, was not aware of that. I thought it was nation wide.
     
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    Actually, almost all of our "medicine" is all about treating symptoms, not addressing the actual cause of disease.

    Walking out in front of car is going to cause injury or death. The same probability does not exist for covid, no matter how much you want to act like it is so.

    Using medicine because I have conjunctivitis is not the same as taking an injection, that does not prevent contracting covid. Having a surgeon repair my broken knee is not the same, either.

    Trying to draw false equivalencies is not helpful.

    I'm not against the idea of vaccines. I'm against the heavy metals and toxins that they inject along with the vaccine. Fit current covid injections, I'm against mRNA and nanoparticle technology being injected into my body.
     
  39. resnor

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    Yeah, we have an under 18 law, but adults are still free to make their own choices.
     
  40. KeyFin

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    That's not completely true- with a mutation, a virus can get more deadly, less deadly or stay the same. The dominant strains survive because they often become more infections (like the Delta variant), but that doesn't say anything about what symptoms it may cause or how severe the illness may be.

    Mutations are random in nature, meaning it's almost impossible to predict. Some are extremely infectious and basically harmless. Others are very hard to catch and deadly. We just don't want the genetic roll of the dice to produce both those traits since it can wipe us out.
     
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