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NFLPA sends memo to players recommending they skip in-person workouts

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatik, Apr 13, 2021.

  1. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    If I was a rookie I would attend. All the personal attention you would get might help you make the team. I'm not sure I would stay away.
     
  2. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I'm torn. On one hand, I am absolutely in favor of being as careful as possible and doing what we all can to control Covid and get things safe and back to normal.

    But on the other, this seems like a pretty transparent ploy by the NFLPA to reduce the players workload even further than they already have, leading to even sloppier football than we've already been subject to. I think that if possible, they'd like to end all work between the Super Bowl and Training Camp, and barely practice period.
     
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  3. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    I don't get it. At all. They went through an entire season at the height of Covid. They can't arrange safe in-house practises?

    And are the NFLPA going to recommend the players also don't leave home and limit their social life? If not, I'm not sure this will have any meaning.
     
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  4. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    The Dolphins new training facility is supposed to be a "COVID-killer" with UV lighting and advanced air filtration throughout the building, so hopefully that's put to good use. Ross spent a bundle to have the most advanced facility in the league specifically to have players in-house.
     
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  5. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    From PFT:
    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/
    See the whole thing in link above but here's what was most interesting:

    The league, we’re told, sees this as a potential win, a reminder that collective action for this specific unionized work force doesn’t work. The last time the NFLPA attempted to stand together against the league came in 1987, when the players went on strike, when the league hired replacements, when the regular players eventually began to cross the picket line, and when the work stoppage collapsed.

    This time around, the replacement players already will be on the payroll. If/when veterans stay away, younger players will show up to take advantage of the extra opportunities to develop and to persuade coaches that they can be trusted with roster spots and playing time come September. Agents will advise clients not likely to win one of the 53 regular-season jobs to show up for the offseason program. Teams will sign undrafted free agents with a not-so-subtle understanding that they’ll show up for offseason workouts. And show up they will.

    Per a source with knowledge of the situation, players already have asked teams if they will be permitted to participate in the offseason program even if their teammates boycott. There will be, as the source explained it, hundreds of players who will choose to attend and to participate.

    “There will be no unity and it is going to backfire horribly,” the source predicted.
     
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  6. Fishhead

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    You would think most would be vaccinated soon, since eligibility is now opened up.
     
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  7. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Hopefully so, but there needs to be enough vaccine to go around. Right now, a lot of places don't have nearly enough.
     
  8. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Grocery store clerks making 1-5% of what these guys make have been showing up to work. You'd think someone making millions of dollars to play a sport, with the best access to health care and in peak physical conditioning could show up to work.
     
  9. Galant

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    That, to me, sounds like it has a lot more to do with a reduced preseason workload than avoiding COVID.
     
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  10. Galant

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    Confirmed.
    https://nflpa.com/posts/whats-good-for-the-players-is-good-for-the-game

    Not to be cynical but it seems at first glance that they're claiming all sorts of benefits as the results of a reduced preseason that might not have anything to do with it.

    I haven't tried to find the numbers but they're citing reduced numbers of injuries overall rather than per player when we know that fewer players appeared this season due to opting out.

    Additionally, and more wildly they're claiming the increased offensive numbers are a demonstration of the benefits, yet without mentioning reduced defensive numbers, or the possible effect of mostly empty stadiums.

    Seems like they're claiming everything as a positive result of reduced preseason load...
     
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  11. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    So our rookies struggled last season because of the reduced offseason and they’re now going to miss opportunities to get better....
     
  12. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    In addition to that, yards and points might be up, but the game on the field is getting subjectively much sloppier and uglier at the same time. Its not good football, its just high scoring football.
     
  13. OwesOwn614

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    I have no problem with it. Players have been saying that OTAs are overrated for years and since the NFL decided to go through with a 17-game season, they're less than inclined to give teams the benefit of the doubt on safety. Remember how casually the Titans and the Raiders (especially Jon Gruden) took safety protocols last year? Nobody should be surprised if they - or other teams - maintained the same level of inattentiveness toward doing things the right way this year.

    Last year's rookies are going to be the ones who are hurt the most IMO. Especially with a different OC arrangement (and scheme?). But if I was a vet, I'd be 100% on board with staying home and if I was a young gun, I would be careful about rocking the boat.
     
  14. Unlucky 13

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    Again, I'm totally all in favor of being as safe as necessary due to Covid. Hopefully this is the last year we have to deal with that topic. But I don't think most people believe that this will end with 2021, and the players will be all for more practice time again next year if they get their way, and that's the issue.

    The less practice time they have, and the less time they spend as a team and at the facility, the worse the product has gotten on the field. Its been steadily, gradually trending in that direction since the 2011 CBA when this stuff started. Its a problem.
     
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  15. Galant

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    Let me say that if a reduced preseason workload really does improve gameplay and make for better football, fewer injuries etc. then I'm all for it. The approach taken here, though, doesn't fill me with confidence.

    Second, I've longed wondered about some of the restrictions on interactions between teams and players, that just seem arbitrary.
    Times where coaches can't have contact with players etc. and so players have to train under their own initiative etc.

    I can understand a fear about employers wanting to drain every last drop out of employees, in this case players, and not recognizing a work/life division. However, there are other ways to protect against potential abuse, and allowing greater flexibility and creativity for teams and coaches to have input and guide their players only seems a natural fit with this notion of reducing OTAs and other workouts. And that's without going into the unique aspect of professional football as a profession.
     
  16. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    *******!I have been working through this bull**** the whole time!
     
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  17. Vertical Limit

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    The sentiment i get is that Lots of players are against taking the vaccine. Professional Athletes are very neurotic about what supplements or medication they take. And something that was developed in a few months is definitely a red flag for many.
     
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  18. Unlucky 13

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    I've seen several very prominent players speaking out against it, which is frankly dangerous and not for the good of our society as a whole. I would hope that the league takes a stand where you get vaccinated or you opt out for the year. No exceptions.
     
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  19. JJ_79

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    Wich is totally understandable, no one knows about long-term consequences from the vaccine and if it helps or for how long because the virus is changing so quickly. I hope you're wrong and they don't force people to do it, but you probably will get your wish granted which is much worse for our society as whole imo...
     
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  20. KeyFin

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    Well, we know the long-term consequences of not taking the virus- we stay in this limbo with states partially locked down. And the other side of your argument is that we don't know the long-term effects of COVID...except for the 3 million global deaths. We won't understand the rest for years to come.

    It's estimated that 45% of the nation is now partially or fully vaccinated and that could be enough to see some herd immunity. But for the average person, a vaccine is going to be required to return to work and normal life. The CDC had deemed the vaccines safe and up to 97% effective against hospitalization- I don't feel like there's anything left to "prove" outside the conspiracy theories.
     
  21. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    So what are the long term effects of these vaccines?
    This virus has survival rate of 99.7.I have been working with people from 4 different states and have not seen 1 death from covid.
    I have seen people die from heart attacks,strokes,etc and they tested positive and they went down as covid deaths.
    I will not be a lab rat for a vaccine developed in less than 1 year.
    How many Nfl players have died from Covid?
     
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  22. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    do you think there might be a difference in terms of the relative power that these individuals have in regards to being able to negotiate the circumstances of their labor
     
  23. JJ_79

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    My point exactly and I think you can't force people to get vaccinated, when you know nothing about long term effects of those vaccines. Especially with vaccines that are made in a totally different way, then the vaccines we used to have.
     
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  24. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    What you say is true, but we live in desperate times. Basically, people need to either get vaccinated or else stay locked away from everyone else. One or the other. Its highly, highly likely that the effects of Covid are far worse than any potential side effects of the vaccine for the overwhelming percentage of people.

    Globally, over 3 million people have now died from the virus, and countless millions more are still suffering from its effects, even if they survived. Any ill effects from the vaccines are a drop in the bucket compared to that. The world cannot start to transition back to some level closer to normal without it.
     
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  25. KeyFin

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    My best friend died from COVID after being on a ventilator for 3 weeks. 45, marathon runner, almost zero body fat with no health concerns and in fantastic shape. For whatever reason, he was in that .3% that makes up 3 million global deaths. And as you alluded to, there have been heart attacks, strokes and other complications from COVID. Science believes it attacks the weakest part of your body since side-effects are so varied across cases...they still have no idea of the long-term complications. Heck, my 19 year old had COVID in November, was sick with typical flu-like symptoms, and still can't taste/smell anything five months later.
     
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  26. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Look no disrespect but I don't trust any of this ****.
    We will stick with football talk.
    Trust me you don't even wanted to know what I think about all this.
     
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  27. pumpdogs

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    And Keyfin sorry about ur friend man!
     
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  28. pumpdogs

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    And if the vaccine works why would u worry about being around an unvaccined person?
    And what your saying will never happen.;
     
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  29. mlb1399

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    Of course, that’s why they’re not going to participate. I’m just calling out the bs
     
  30. JJ_79

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    There are to many unknowns for my taste and in the end it's all about the Benjamins anyway, so please let's get back to Football.
     
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  31. Disgustipate

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    The issue isn't that NFL players have power, it's that grocery store clerks don't.
     
  32. KeyFin

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    Yeah, I don't want to debate it either. Hopefully you didn't take offense, but the "nobody I knew died" got me there for a minute. A lot of folks here have been on the other side of that and it's devastating...I still can't process losing my friend 4 months later. COVID just sucks in general.
     
  33. pumpdogs

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    No offence man!People have different opinions on many subjects in this country anymore but we all should stop fighting and listen to both sides.I am guilty myself of having a one way brain.
    But once again I am sorry for buddy!I just lost my sister from cancer and was extremely angry when we could not visit her in the hospital for 6 weeks.
    Lets just keep it football from now on.I'm done with this post.
     
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  34. Fireland

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    Don't worry I will get the vaccine to help protect you
     
  35. resnor

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    Uh, that's called coercion, and is, imo, a terrible way to address the situation.

    Frankly, players who aren't vaccinated are only a danger to themselves. So it shouldn't matter if they are vaccinated or not.
     
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  36. resnor

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    The vaccines are not deemed "safe." They are "Emergency Use Authorized," which is not the same as being approved safe. Basically, EUA means that the government says that potential side effects (Neuro issues, death, etc) are not as dangerous as getting covid.

    I don't agree with that.
     
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  37. mlb1399

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    Completely agree with you. I have no plans to get the vaccine at this point. But I also got covid last year from my jiu-jitsu gym. We had 12-15 guys get it but nothing serious in terms of hospitalization.

    As far as I'm concerned, by this summer, we should be at a point where whoever is considered high risk, will have gotten the vaccine and will be protected from those who don't get it. I may get it down the road but not going to rush into it by any means.
     
  38. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    The narrative that the vaccine is only months old is completely wrong. The RNA carrier was developed back when SARS was 1st introduced. It's been worked on for years. With the genome sequencing advances, this is how vaccines are going to be done going forward. Once they figure out what the sequence is they just attach it to the carrier mechanism. Maybe if the politicians didn't use the vaccine as a scare tactic in the election, even to the point of saying that they were going to have independent analysis done by their own teams of doctors, their narrative is what's set the stage for being afraid. As soon as they won, all that disappeared and its "oh now it's safe". Politicians use fear to control the masses. And it worked too good this time.
     
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  39. Fireland

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    I would buy that if it wasn't supporters of the other guy who were overwhelmingly the ones not wanting the vaccine
     
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  40. texanphinatic

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    Because not everyone can get the vaccine, and because if we don't reach actual herd immunity, it's highly likely the virus will mutate into a form that the vaccine doesn't offer the same protection toward, as well as being more contagious and dangerous overall.

    It's a race between the vaccine and mutation right now - especially in the USA.
     
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