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Deshaun Watson

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rick 1966, Jan 7, 2021.

  1. Galant

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  2. mlb1399

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    At this point, I want nothing to do with him until he is cleared of this(assuming that’s the case because innocent until proven guilty).
     
  3. KeyFin

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    I thought one woman (the initial one) was probably in the right. I thought the next 4 were hopping on the bandwagon. Now we're at 12 and counting? I'm starting to think that Watson might not play football in 2021...regardless whether he's suspended or sits out. And if that happens, there might not be a 2022 in his future.

    To me, this feels highly politicized and either the initial girl had a great attorney, or this is being fed from somewhere else to that attorney. The Texans ultimately have the most to gain by this publicity and I wouldn't be shocked if someone there was behind it.
     
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  4. Fireland

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    Ignoring the risk if it was found that they were behind it they would have little to gain. Even if he doesn't get suspended or worse they could still find themselves with a QB who doesn't want to play for them.

    This made a bad situation much worse for them
     
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  5. Ronnie Bass

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    Do they honestly? If anything this might harden Watson's resolve to get out of Houston and it would also kill his value, because whether these allegations or true or false, he's going to want a change of scenery. I know I would.
     
  6. KeyFin

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    I mean, he's saying that he's not returning either way...can it get worse than it is currently? But if this goes away behind the scenes with the Texans help, it's their "saving grace" of sorts to get back in Watson's good graces. It would literally take something this insane to make him rethink his priorities.
     
  7. KeyFin

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    Yeah, that could be true...and the Texans could push a trade through quickly just to get away from it all. My assumption here is that the Texans are going to swoop in and "save him", but maybe it doesn't play out that way.
     
  8. Ronnie Bass

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    Yeah but how would they save him? Payoff the accusers? That could backfire on them big time by sweeping allegations under the rug.

    Texans are in a big mess either way.
     
  9. Fireland

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    Maybe but even in the hypothetical where they are masterminding this whole thing, it goes away in a way where he isn't damaged goods, and they don't get exposed he could still sit out and you lost your real best window to trade him.

    The Texans are enough of a clown show that you can't 100 dismiss it but for the most part its safe to assume this is a complete disaster scenario for them. Best case now is he stays and is suspended. Which isn't really that great.
     
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  10. KeyFin

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    I would assume that teams handle these kinds of things often...you could be right though. The way I see it, all of this started with a text message asking for $100k, basically a blackmail ransom regardless whether this is legit or not. So I'm pretty sure that fast money makes all this go away- I doubt this even made the news if Watson would have reached out to team lawyers when he got that initial text.

    My only experience in this realm came from a former Dolphins player that swung on me in the Davie Ale House over a pool game. The cops came, they talked to the three players that were there, then team security shows up in a glorified golf cart and drives that very drunk player away. I wouldn't have tried to press charges regardless, but the real cops grilled me for about ten minutes about "Do you know who that was?" and threatened to arrest me, even though I didn't do anything but dodge a punch and back away. I knew EXACTLY who it was, LOL, the whole bar did.

    It all got swept under the rug in a matter of 10 minutes...I was actually pretty darn impressed at the whole thing from an organizational standpoint. I have no clue how security got there that fast in a freaking golf cart; the training camp was easily 4 miles away.
     
  11. Dorfdad

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    Said it before I don’t want Watson at all he has t proven anything worth the picks and headaches he would cause this organization. TUA or bust for this coaching staff if TUA doesn’t pan out we will be looking for a new head coach in 2 years
     
  12. texanphinatic

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    From a pure PR standpoint, it lets the Texans off the hook for pretty much any action/direction they take. While it doesn't necessarily make them a better team, they at least may avoid the kind of fan blowback that has been simmering.
     
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  13. Ronnie Bass

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    Oh, I absolutely agree with you there, but I would assume that would be to keep the cat in the bag, in others words away from the press and inhouse, I just think that ship has sailed.
     
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  14. Ronnie Bass

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    Not sure I follow you Tex, what actions by the Texans would let them off the hook? Getting him off and getting him out of town?
     
  15. Fireland

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    What do you mean by text? I thought Watson said the lawyer made the 100k demand.

    We also can't be sure the Texans didn't know about this or any other allegations
     
  16. Silverphin

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    At this point in time, all we can do it wait and see. On one hand, the timing of this is rather suspect. On the other hand, I always try not to be quick to call the accuser a liar - especially when there are quite a bit of accusers.
     
  17. KeyFin

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    Did it say that? I'm not positive it was the lawyer who initially reached out. I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that he was texted with the financial demand. We do know that he was texting the massage gal, maybe that's where I pulled that in from.
     
  18. Fireland

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    Watson said it was the lawyer and the lawyer did confirm they tried to settle first
     
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  19. texanphinatic

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    Basically just avoiding the potential fan blowback from trading a franchise icon in his prime.
     
  20. Vertical Limit

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    At this point he is untouchable. I have my opinions about the lawyer who is behind the lawsuits... but he has effectively destroyed Deshaun Watson’s reputation and destroyed any percentage chance of Deshaun playing in Houston again.

    With that said the cases need to be heard, and evidence needs to come forth. There’s got to be video and texts messages behind this. Deshaun isnt going to be guilty just on accusations.

    just a hunch, if deshaun never asked for a trade, this lawsuit never comes about
     
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  21. tirty8

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    I think Watson is a huge upgrade over Tua, but I just don't know if I could mortgage the farm for him right now. If these allegations are true, I would say that his entire career is jeopardy. Honestly, it could destroy the franchise if we dealt for him, and the worst case scenario was true.
     
  22. KeyFin

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    To be fair, Watson is a huge upgrade over just about anyone. But that this point, with 22 accusers and growing, I don't think this story goes away before the draft and it makes it incredibly hard to work out a fair trade.

    As crazy as it sounds, if Watson sits out this season AND stays in the media as a pervert, his career could legitimately be over. Front offices need to weigh the cost of things like the "Me Too" movement and some of the big name celebrities who have crashed and burned in recent years...that's not a good look for any franchise to support that stuff. The current allegations are:

    - Intentionally exposing his genitals to females
    - Insisting (in a few instances) on oral sex post-massage
    - Asking therapists to "massage" his genitals and finger penetration to his...yeah
    - Making inappropriate requests and suggestions

    To be fair here, every bit of that could be lies aimed at an easy cash day for those involved, so I'm not passing judgement here on innocence or guilt. But just the narrative alone could very easily be career ending. With more accusers coming forward daily and the lawyer saying he'll seek criminal charges next week, I just don't see how this plays out favorably to anyone involved. Because even if this stuff is just 10% true, I don't want our organization to have anything to do with someone like that and I think most will feel the same way.
     
  23. pumpdogs

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    Yea I wanted this trade but noway we can do it now.To much risk even though I feel the timing of this is very suspect.
     
  24. JJ_79

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    The timing is really suspect, if he did something, this must have been going on for quite some time. I mean how many women now?
     
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  26. KeyFin

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    Sorry, but nobody is trading for DeShaun Watson before the draft. The title "pervert" is something that's very difficult to ignore and I'd put today's value at a low 1st round pick. Watson for #18? Sure, I'd roll the dice on that. But I have a feeling that criminal charges could be coming before the regular season starts.

    The lawsuits aren't going away either- he was an absolute idiot not to quietly settle that first case when the attorney reached out. If that happened once, okay then, take your chances they won't do anything. But when you're exposing yourself to a different massage therapist every other week? He should have taken that very serious and stayed off of social media. It disgusts me that he would believe that he was showing acceptable behavior while flashing young women and trying to make them touch his junk. As I said though, the oral sex instance is sexual assault and eventually it will be investigated.

    Nobody likes a pervert- that's somebody's daughter (times 20+). Unless he starts game 1 for Houston this season, I truly believe that his career is over.
     
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  27. JJ_79

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    Just brought it up cause it's Dolphins related.
     
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  28. Fireland

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    It clearing up in the summer doesn't seem realistic. Maybe that kind of trade that could happen next offseason if he has somehow cleaned up his image but mortgaging your future for him now is a ridiculous idea and no team should be entertaining it. At least not any team with any other options so maybe the Bears could do it.
     
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  29. Pauly

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    Having read the allegations as cleaned up by the lawyer something strikes me as being off.
    1) I didn’t know instagram masseuse was a thing, but it sounds like a cover for a happy endings business.
    2) accepting (1) f you are legit and a single operator and female you would have to be super careful about vetting and accepting clients. Next to a CBDrestaurant I used to work in there was a therapeutic massage parlor, they had very big signs on the door basically saying ‘we’re not that type of massage parlor and if you want that type of establishment take your filthy habits elsewhere”.
    3) As a professional athlete on a professional team Watson has 24/7 access to therapeutic massage as supplied by the team. If I am a legitimate masseuse Having such a person reach out to me on instagram would be a major red flag. Especially if he’s paying for interstate travel.
    4) some of the allegations involve repeated incidents. If you’re legit why go back? I know 3 or 4 therapeutic masseurs and they had very strict no tolerance of that s**t policies. If someone tried to make them touch their junk, they’d be straight to the police.
    5) As I understand the timeline the lawyer had about a dozen complaints all lined up before there was any publicity. How did one lawyer end up with that many cases without publicity?

    I understand star athletes live in a bubble where they get protected from the consequences of their actions. It may have happened exactly as described.

    The explanation that fits best for me is that Watson thought he was paying for rub’n’tugs. After that it’s a mess with the range of outcomes ranging from sex-predator to misunderstandings to victim of blackmail.
     
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  30. TheHighExhaulted

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    So he has 21 accusers now and 18 supporters? This guy uses 40 different masseurs? Something doesn't smell right.

    Just a bizarre story.
     
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  31. Vertical Limit

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    Its definitely bizarre, and whats more bizarre to me is that he has yet to be placed on the commissioners list.

    Im just going to predict now that Deshaun Watson is not going to get out of this guilt free. There’s too many accusers and some have not pursued a lawsuit, they just want an apology from Deshaun.

    rhe’s just untouchable. I wouldnt give the Texans a 7th round pick because that’s a sizable contract that absorbs a quarter of your cap space for a guy that you are not quite sure if he will play this year or next year, or ever again.
     
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  32. KeyFin

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    I agree with you that the vast majority of these girls probably weren't licensed therapists and some were sought out for their "happy endings." It's a strange industry since you can't advertise you're a prostitute, but you're still posting ads hoping to find clients. The other side of that is reaching out and soliciting sex is a crime that cities run sting operations on...so it's not like you can just say, "How much for the boom boom?" I'm guessing once you spot a few and have a successful transaction, your confidence grows that everyone posting falls into that category.

    To me it sounds like a few were legitimate therapists though and this is where the problem arose- Watson shouldn't have been playing this dangerous game to begin with. And if there's a single legit complaint in there across the 21+ women, then he's in big trouble. Just the fact that he's reached out to 40+ gals to massage him says a lot on its own- the dude has a fetish that he couldn't control. And I don't see how NFL teams look past that since it's 40+ crimes for the consensual stuff and a few serious charges for the ones that weren't.

    This might be common in professional sports, I have no idea. But it's sort of like Ricky Williams and the weed- once you get caught and it goes public, people don't want to be associated with it.
     
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  33. Rick 1966

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    Well, as Avril Lavigne once said, "so much for my happy ending..."
     
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    Just be thankful that we didn’t trade a boatload of picks (and possibly players) for this guy.
     
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  35. Pauly

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    In Australia the cops refer to sports stars as quokkas. Quokkas are an endangered species that live on a small island free from natural predators and are actively protected by rangers and an adoring public. As a result they have lost their self preservation instincts and do things that are stupid because there are no consequences.
     
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  36. Vertical Limit

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    Instagram massage therapists... i am living under a rock.. just learned on this thread that thats a thing... and that happy endings theory makes a whole lot of sense now...

    Now if thats what it really was, then it isnt as bad as i thought, though still kind of tacky and a bad image on him.. youre worth 200 million and you are a top 3 player in the NFL.. get your head out of your ***. I think deshaun will get the maximum fine and a few games suspended.
     
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  37. KeyFin

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    Very accurate analogy!
     
  38. Fireland

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    But once it goes bad a few times or you knew the women got uncomfortable you would change your ways in some way. At a minimum he gets off on the power play and it isn't really purely about the happy ending.

    If it was just one or two allegations you could excuse it as a misunderstanding but 20+ makes him a predator.
     
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    Yeah, I feel the same way...just not something I can get past.

    However, a part of me wonders if he does get traded in the next few weeks if all these accusations mysteriously disappear. What if Watson and some friends dreamed this up to force Houston to trade him? That would be epic! I mean, why haven't the cops investigated yet if this stuff is legit? Surely they would have had some names by now to interview. I'm starting to think that this whole thing could be staged.
     
  40. Vertical Limit

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    I think what Deshaun Watson needs to do is do what Kobe Bryant did in Colorado. Go public, hold up a press conference and be honest.

    It’s going to be embarrassing, he will likely lose his girlfriend over it. But he definitely paid for some extra.

    Just say You paid a bunch of girls for “massage” services and they gave you something extra that you expected to grt. And it was consensual. Once you do that, if you have to settle with each of those girls, you brought that up on yourself. Just settle and write the checks, get penalized and suspended for six to 8 games and move on.

    the 49ers will likely still trade their third pick for you after you do the above.
     

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