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Deshaun Watson

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rick 1966, Jan 7, 2021.

  1. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Lol houston beat writers are writing glowingly about Culley... McNairs wanted McDaniels, thats why they hired Caserio.. they were forced into hiring a black coach, and if Watson still wants out trust me Culley will get 2 seasons at most. Culley is definitely capable of being a good head coach, but lets not get it twisted the McNairs were forced into this and will be in damage control for a few more years.
     
  2. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I'd take that deal.
     
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  3. Fishhead

    Fishhead Well-Known Member

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    Surprised they didn’t just wait until after the Super Bowl to hire Bienemy - unless he was lukewarm on the job given they added him to the candidate list at the last minute.
     
  4. mlb1399

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    I’d give up 2 1sts and maybe a 2nd/3rd next year. Anything more(3+ 1sts) and I’m passing. We’re a better team than Houston but let’s not forget that even with all those stats, they still only won 4 games. I think we’d make the playoffs with him but without better pieces on our team, we’re still not beating Buffalo or KC.
     
  5. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Yes, "they" still only won 4 games...not he. They had severe issues due to HC/GM incompetence. In the immortal words of Gunny Highway, the guy was a walking cluster-something, yet Watson still threw up MVP-type numbers.

    My question is, does he make at least a 2 game difference by himself at QB (all else equal)...I'd say he does. You put that with our defense in 2020, and we're 12-4 at worst, likely 13-3 or 14-2...hell if we'd split with the Bills and beat the Broncos we'd have won the division...and there were 4 AFC teams in the playoffs that wouldn't have been worrisome at all (PIT/CLE/BAL/TEN).
     
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  6. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Let the bidding begin...

    ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Deshaun Watson has requested to be traded from the Texans.
    It's been long reported that Watson wants out of Houston, but this is the first time his request has been considered "official." Schefter adds that Watson actually hasn’t spoken to new Texans general manager Nick Caserio nor executive Jack Easterby since the former's decision has already been made. With a no-trade clause baked into his deal, the 25-year-old will ultimately choose his own suitor on the market. One after another, Houston's dumbfounding decisions and cronyism in the front office transparently highlight an organization that has no direction or intention of winning in either the near future or long-term, resulting in this decision. Whomever lands Watson will merely take on a team-friendly $10.54 million cap hit in 2021 and have its franchise cornerstone locked up under center through the 2025 season.

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    Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
    Jan 28, 2021, 9:56 AM ET
     
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  7. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    As long as we only give up one of our two first rounders this year, I am all for it. If they want both our first rounders, I'd say no. We have got to get a couple good WRs and an RB and I think we can get a very good WR at 18.
     
  8. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Unfortunately, with the Frye hiring, we will be stubborn and stick with Tua... i think it will be the Jets who make the move... then we have a problem four times a year, for the next decade, facing Josh Allen and Deshaun Watson..... great...

    my hope is that if it’s not us, that the 49ers make a move for him.. but jets can offer the Justin Fields pick.
     
  9. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I don't think the Jets are an actual contender- why would Watson want to go there when they haven't had a winning season in forever? I would have to assume Miami is his #1 destination based on Grier, Flores and our 2020 record. I just hope he says that out loud so we have all the leverage in the trade- I still don't think it would take three 1sts and other assets. I don't think Grier makes that deal unless he can get ultra-creative.
     
  10. tirty8

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    Key, I am with you here. I know Watson likes Saleh. Heck, so do I. I think he is a great hire, but that being said, I do not think the Jets are anywhere close to Miami in terms of being a contender.

    IMO, we have the best defense in the NFL. I think the Jets and the Phins offense is eerily similar. Both teams have essentially one good WR, but we do have a solid TE. Admittedly, both offenses need work. That being said, based on defense alone, he should prefer Miami. Honestly, if he can come here and make our offense respectable - that's it - we are instant Super Bowl contenders. I think if the Jets get Watson, they are a fringe playoff team.
     
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  11. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    It's credibility and the ultimate building block for the Jests. For Watson, it's just speculation based on how their new coach was one of Watson's preferred targets (that Houston passed on) and the fact that they have so much ammunition.

    Also for the Jets, if they aren't super serious, it still behooves them to have Miami pay top rates instead of lowballing, so they can put together an offer that forces Miami to beat it.

    This is overall going to be a fascinating offseason for the NFL. On the heels of Jalen Ramsey's decision last year, we now have a pre-eminent player, a league face, a top 5 (maybe 3) QB taking his future into his hands and making a decision. This is very much like the NBA where players routinely ask and are granted trades, but has largely been absent from football. Next up ... Aaron Rogers. If I'm a team like Indy or Pitt or San Fran who are looking at Matt Stafford and kind of wondering if there isn't anything better? Go make Green Bay say no.

    It's possible we see 3 big name QBs swap teams, which may be unheard of.
     
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  12. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Houston passed on Saleh but they were willing to give Caldwell and Josh Mccown interviews and consideration is all you need to know about their intentions. Im glad Deshaun is getting out of that horrible team.
     
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  13. texanphinatic

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    I'm just shocked he doesn't want to stay and get coached by the guy who oversaw the Raven's thrilling passing game and coached the Chiefs' WR group to their 0 TD season a few years back.
     
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  14. Galant

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    If Watson is happy with either the Jets or Miami Houston will prefer the Jets. Upon trading Watson Houston will need a QB. Picking at #2 they can take whoever they like this year (not named Lawrence). If Houston trades with Miami then they pick at #3 and there's a chance both the Jags and Jets take quarterbacks - meaning Houston get's third swing.
     
  15. The G Man

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    Unless they want Tua.
     
  16. cbrad

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    Tua is pretty valuable for us if we trade for Watson. If Houston wants him that should count as a mid/high 1st pick equivalent this year. If Houston does not want him we could likely trade him for a 1st in 2022 (remember even a guy who did FAR less his rookie year, Rosen, went for a 2nd). Either way Tua lessens the draft capital we have to give up.

    Update on Vegas odds:
    https://www.sportsbook.ag/sbk/sportsbook4/super-bowl-lv-betting/deshaun-watson---next-team.sbk

    Jets +175 = 36.36% probability
    Houston +250 = 28.57%
    Dolphins +300 = 25%
     
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  17. KeyFin

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    I'm so torn on this- on one hand, I'd hate to see him go to the Jets for multiple reasons (career-suicide, yet still gives us nightmares twice a year). There's almost no way he's staying in Houston either. I think the "point of no return" would have to be within the next 72 hours; Houston better be pulling out all the stops TODAY to win his favor back. It may already be too late, to be honest. It can also get extremely ugly over the next couple of months, which hurts Houston more than anyone since the "value" will rapidly decrease as Watson gets more vocal.

    For Miami, he's easily a borderline generational talent so he's worth the asking price, but paying that price also means we're 100% out of "build mode" right away. No Etienne or Harris. No blue chip WR to dominate for the next decade. No immediate upgrades at D-line or LB. Those aren't bad things but it's a completely different path than the front office had been planning.

    So I really don't know what to root for...I guess anything but the Jets. If we work a deal, awesome. If someone else outside of NY or NE works out a trade, equally awesome since we keep our loaded draft. I almost don't have a preference right now since I still feel like Tua COULD BE the guy long-term.
     
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  18. JJ_79

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    Same here, right now I’m for keep Tua and I hope Watson ends up in the NFC.
     
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  19. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Could still see a Tua/Smith reunion...only in Houston...not sure how I feel about that lol.
     
  20. thetylernator

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    I won't be devastated if Miami doesn't get him, but as others have pointed out, we can't let him go to a division rival. This division already looks congested between Josh Allen and Bill Belichick; add Deshaun Watson to that mix and we're in for a long decade-plus. Worst case, we're the bottom-feeders again, and best-case, our division is the new NFC-West. Not good either way.
     
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  21. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    We have the advantage that we are in Florida which means millions for Watson. We also have a much better foundation in place.

    Ross likes to swing for the fences, he will definitely give his input to Grier and Flores. If youre able to get a top 5 quarterback, you do it, period.
     
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  22. pumpdogs

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    Exactly!Go get him Chris!
     
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  23. Etrius24

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    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-washington-open-trading-more-020110722.html

    This makes me laugh...

    I would hope to God that the Texans get more than a first round pick for watson... He is worth at least three.... Likely 4 first round picks.

    remember people that the Bears gave up 2 first round picks for Mack and the Seahawks gave up 2 first round picks for Adams. Watson is worth more than the pair of those players combined.

    Top 3 quarter back that is only 25 playing the most important position in the NFL

    And all the redskins are saying is that they will give up more than just a first round pick


    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
     
  24. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Rams just traded Goff and two first round picks and a third round pick for injury prone Stafford... that means in my eyes that Watson being young and top 3 in the league is worth 5 first round picks..
     
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  25. Etrius24

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    Yes

    This is exactly what I am talking about.

    Stafford is a quality QB... But Watson is clearly better and 7 years younger. If this is Stafford's value... Then look the F*ck out world when Houston trades Watson.
     
  26. texanphinatic

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    To be fair, the article just posits that WFT is willing to go beyond a first in order to land a veteran QB. It doesn't specifically call out Watson.

    Stafford is now obviously gone, but we could still see middling guys like David Carr and Jimmy G traded, and the dark horse in Aaron Rogers, all aside from Watson.

    I think in light of the Stafford trade, you kind of look back at the original "starting point" that was theorized the Texans would want. Three first round picks and a blue chip/pro-bowl level young player. And in our case, they reportedly aren't willing to consider Tua in lieu of a first rounder, which means either a 3 team trade or trying to offload Tua for a first. Player wise, they are likely to ask for Howard, or maybe a younger guy like Austin Jackson or Christian Wilkins.

    The biggest question is how far will Watson go in this. Is he willing to sit out the season and just never suit up for them again? As a franchise, the Texans simply cannot accept a grossly lowball offer, but it would crush that franchise to spend such a massive chunk of cap on a non-playing asset for years.
     
  27. The G Man

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    First of two updates from earlier today:

    The Athletic's Joseph Person reports NFL insiders believe "the Texans will want three first-round picks, or two first-rounders and an established player" in exchange for Deshaun Watson.
    The astronomical price for Watson makes sense after the Rams had to part with a 2021 third-round pick, a 2022 first-round pick, a 2023 first-round pick to acquire Matthew Stafford from Detroit. If the Texans are willing to hold out for that kind of offer, that could narrow Watson's suitors to two or three teams. Person, who covers the Panthers, was skeptical of the team selling out to get Watson, since doing so would make it tougher to improve the team's offensive line. The Panthers would owe Teddy Bridgewater $23 million if they stay put at QB in the coming months -- an unlikely scenario by all accounts. Watson being dealt to Carolina would make D.J. Moore and Robby Anderson much sought-after players in 2021 fantasy drafts.

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    Source: The Athletic
    Jan 31, 2021, 11:03 AM ET
     
  28. The G Man

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    And, this one posted 20 minutes later:

    The Houston Chronicle's John McClain reported the Texans would want two first round draft picks, two second rounders, and two defensive starters in exchange for Deshaun Watson.
    McClain's oddly specific trade scenario is hardly a guarantee that the wretched Houston defense would improve in 2021, especially if they part ways with J.J. Watt this offseason. McClain, a longtime Houston beat reporter, said the Texans should start with the Jets, who are reportedly at the top of Watson's trade wish list. The Athletic's Joseph Person, meanwhile, said league insiders expect Houston to demand three first round picks for Watson. Probably it depends on the caliber of defensive player in question, but Person's scenario would seem to be more realistic with demand for Watson, 25, as high as any player in recent NFL history.

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    Source: John McClain
    Jan 31, 2021, 11:25 AM ET
     
  29. Galant

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    In a live mock draft Kyle Crabbs of The Draft Network described a process for sending the Texans' picks back to them, plus other picks and also Tua and Howard to acquire Deshaun Watson.

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    Part of the rationale was that there were rumours about Howard's agent dropping hints that the best thing next year might be for Howard to play elsewhere - for a few reasons.

    You can listen to the breakdown here from 18:20:
     
  30. Etrius24

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    The second someone wants to give up 4 first round picks... Watson gets traded.... simple as that
     
  31. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I'd do the #3, a 2022 first rounder, Christian Wilkins, X Howard deal in a heartbeat. I'd be totally fine adding some ancillary picks as well. Not sure if the Jests have enough worthwhile defenders that Houston would want lol, especially if they refuse to add Quinnen.

    I'd do it. We would need Iggy to step up, and/or spend some draft picks on CBs, but it'd be worth the cost imo.
     
  32. Etrius24

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    It is not a strong deal for the texans...

    No way I see the texans doing that unless.

    We send the #3, and the #18... plus a first next year... and the bears give up the #20 pick overall.

    This way the texans get 4 first round picks
     
  33. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I wouldn't do it. We need to keep that 18th pick. We need a number one WR.
     
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    We need a lot of things.... That does not have anything to do with the trade value of Watson. The Texans would be brain dead to accept just a couple of first round picks for Watson.

    He is 7 years younger than Stafford, and he is clearly a more talented player than Stafford.
     
  35. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Yeah, my statement is not contingent on what the Texans will accept, it's what we should give, and any trade that involves us giving both our first rounders this year is not a good one. And we don't need a lot of things, we need a few things. We need a RB, we need a LB or two, we could use some depth at DL and DB, but most of all we need a go-to WR. Some of those can be addressed in FA, some can be addressed in later rounds of the draft, but I do not want us leaving day one of the draft without taking a WR.
     
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  36. Etrius24

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    I am all for keeping Tua... And building the sh*t out of this team.... This is just a bunch of guys sitting around the watercooler... While our team has 6 months until the next season starts.

    So if we trade down with the Panthers ( Do not feel like the lions happens now ) and in the first round the two picks end up being Chase and Bolton... And then with the extra second round pick.... We take Etienne, Moehring, and Humphrey

    Then trade for Watt and sign Davis and Samuel as free agents...\

    Yeah I can get my mind around that.
     
  37. Etrius24

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    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/texans...art-deshaun-watson-trade-talks-014418649.html

    Reports are that the minimum the Texans would accept for Watson:
    2 first-round picks
    2 second-round picks
    2 young proven starters on defense.

    I am wondering if this is another Jets inspired fluff piece? Either way this does not work for us as there is no way we would trade for Watson and keep Tua so I guess it would be:

    2 first-round picks
    2 second-round picks
    Tua


    We have two first round picks this year... If the Texans would take the #3 this year and our first next year I would do it.

    Take Etienne or if Harris is there grab one of them... In the second round grab Humprey for the offensive line... Sign Samuel

    Parker
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    Etienne/Harris
    Gaskin

    Decent running back combo.

    We should expect to see Jackson, Hunt, and kindley all to improve a little... Adding a stud center should make the line fantastic... Which means the running game should be rock solid... With a top run game and Watson as the QB.... Yeah we could beat the Bills... and Hang with any team in the AFC not named the chiefs

    I would be satisfied if we got to the AFC title game... Where you hope for a turnover or something.

    If the Texans would take the #18 pick and leave us the #3 I would jump all over it... trade down with the Panthers and use the extra picks to really put weapons around Watson. That would be ideal... I do not see the Texans making the deal without the #3 pick though
     
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  38. OwesOwn614

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    It's silly season when blue checked reporters are so eager to get a scoop that they're not bothering to vet their stories regarding Watson.
     
  39. KeyFin

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    Just like the last comment, this is a complete fabrication from a reporter. The Texans have said that Watson is returning and they have zero interest in a trade at this time.

    Even if they were to privately share something like that to a league GM, the ask would be much, much higher. The "minimum you'd accept" at the start of negotiations is always WAAAY higher than what you'd actually accept, so that alone makes it pretty evident that this is pure garbage. They'd likely ask for four 1st rounders minimum, which other teams would scoff at, and the negotiating game would begin.
     
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  40. Silverphin

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    After that Stafford trade, any price for Watson would be to the moon.
     

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