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Thoughts on benching Tua?

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  1. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    We've had our disagreements, but you and I feel exactly the same on this.
     
  2. Jersey Dolfan

    Jersey Dolfan Active Member

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    Face it - anyone acting as if they are fully confident in Tua is flat out lying to themselves.

    He was supposed to be a transformative, generational talent. No one can realistically say that they've seen anything from him that would indicate that. He hasn't shown flashes really at all, of being significantly special.

    The truth is - even if Tua were to improve significantly, he may never be more than just an average QB. That isn't why we drafted him at #5, and that isn't enough not to use the #3 pick on competition from another top QB.

    Not using the pick that way, would be doubling down on Tua just for the sake of trying to have been right a year ago. That's just not a prudent move.
     
  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That is a silly statement

    Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are lying to themselves.
     
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  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Don't be silly
     
  5. Ronnie Bass

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    There was no preseason and you got a QB who just spent the whole offseason rehabbing. Look, I get some of you ain't a fan of Tua's and I'm not 100% sold on him either, but Jesus Christ, at least try to be fair. That's just a bad take, no offense bro.
     
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  6. Ronnie Bass

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    You're comparing a 16-year veteran to a rookie, the reason Fitz has been around this long is he knows how to adapt, but he didn't know how to do that in the beginning of this career, he was a train wreck, you lack perspective and you're not worth holding a conversation with. Good day.
     
  7. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I was saying that **** about him last year.I was extremely upset when we drafted him.Just like chris Simms said
    His college game will not translate to the nfl and that what were seeing.
     
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  8. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    That sounds more like Marcus Mariota in Tennessee.
     
  9. Jersey Dolfan

    Jersey Dolfan Active Member

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    So then, if not lying to themselves, what basis do they have to disagree? What have they seen to show me that they aren't lying to themselves? Unless you have proof and have seen something from Tua to say he is going to be elite, then telling yourself you are sure he will be, without any basis, is in fact lying to one's self.
     
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  10. Jersey Dolfan

    Jersey Dolfan Active Member

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    Well said.

    Not trying to be a jerk to people, but they aren't advancing actual arguments as to why they blindly believe something.
     
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  11. Destroyer

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    Tua did not win a single game on his own this year. He had no statement game if you will. How he got all these people to buy into him is beyond me. He's garbage.
     
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  12. Jersey Dolfan

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    You are still not saying what Tua DID show, or DOES show that makes you believe he is the answer...you are just giving reason after reason of why he DIDN'T show those things. Proving that he, well, didn't show them lol. We can argue if it was his fault or not, but the fact remains, that he hasn't shown much.

    For the record, I rooted for Tua all year, was glad he started this game, thought he should, and etc. I kept telling myself the same things you are here. But, today, after looking yet again at Tua, and seeing the undeniable yet again, I have to be logically honest with myself and state the obvious. Tua hasn't shown anything.

    I'm not saying he definitely is a bust or not the answer...I'm just simply saying that as of now, we have seen nothing to indicate that he is or will be. And even hoping he still succeeds, it is smart to bring in a other guy, incase Tua never shows these things.
     
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  13. The Guy

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    I think he won the Arizona game in the way you're talking about, but not any other game.
     
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  14. Ronnie Bass

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    I've been arguing with Tua haters all day, you're all set in your mind and you're not going to listen, no one has despite me spelling it out. I'm actually going to take a break from here till maybe draft day, this place is going to be insufferable. And you're talking to someone who has said - repeatedly - I'm not sold on Tua either.
     
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  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That is just silly.
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Neither did any other football player in the NFL.
     
  17. resnor

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    He wasn't that impressive, really, in college though, man. I completely agree with others, he does not have that vibe of a superstar. This isn't simply about this one season. Add in, his peers that were drafted around him aren't showing the same struggles, so it causes a ton of concern.
     
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  18. KeyFin

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    Are you saying that you're 'FULLY 100% CONFIDENT' in Tua? That was his statement and I agree with him.

    I want Tua to work out as much as the next guy, but there's absolutely no way to be 100% confident that he's the guy when he can't out-play a 38 year old veteran backup.
     
  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I am not 100% confident in any rookie quarterback.

    That is a dumb stipulation.
     
  20. TheHighExhaulted

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    You're acting like it's his 10th game of NFL action with no off-season.

    Oh wait.
     
  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Whatever you want to call it, it is still pretty stupid.
     
  22. resnor

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    Yet there several rookie QBs who were not as highly touted as Tua, who are not struggling like that.

    That is the difference.
     
  23. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    Not trying to be a dick, but as a Tennessee fan Ive seen alot of QB busts throughout our organization, Tua to me he looks like a more mobile Matt Leinart. Not trying to offend just giving you an outsider perspective.

    I'm shocked at how conservative he was. I didn't expect him to be like Herbert and throw darts all over the field. But man the repeated checkdowns had to be maddening if you were a MIA fan.
     
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  24. Destroyer

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    They'll realize how bad he is somewhere around week 4 or 5 next year.
     
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  25. Jersey Dolfan

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    Maybe logic isn't your strong suit, so you can't make sense of it and it just appears blurry, confusing, and "silly". . . Kind of like Tua, when he tries to read a defense.
     
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  26. Rick 1966

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    I think something we can all agree on is that we're glad we didn't take Jalen Hurts.
     
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  27. Vertical Limit

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    Thats who i compared him to when he was in Alabama... except Marcus Mariota didnt have 7 first round talent in Oregon like Tua did in Alabama.. yet Mariota recorded similar stats..
     
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  28. Vertical Limit

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    He makes better throws than Tua and is a far better runner.
     
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  29. Dolphin Dundee

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    So far..yes
     
  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Not worth anything but silly.
     
  31. The_Dark_Knight

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    Well, there is a way we could leap frog to the number one draft pick but...it would cost way too much!

    You trade Tua to Jacksonville plus you trade the two first round draft picks we have in exchange for the number one pick.

    That would be the stupidest thing we could ever do though. I'm not sold on Tagovailoa but I'm also smart enough to know we have way too many holes on the offense that need filling as well.
     
  32. Patster1969

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    Not strictly true, neither Herbert or Burrow were rehabbing a serious hip surgery. They also had better receiving talent to throw to even though the teams aren't as good
     
  33. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    I think its going to take more than two first rd picks and an unproven QB for that #1 pick.

    Lawrence is considered a "generational talent" wich I disagree but from all this hype I think his price will he really high.
     
  34. mlb1399

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    I don’t think Jax and a new coach are going to give it up. The trade value chart says our 2 1st rounders would get it done but I think they’d want much more. And not worth it IMO
     
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  35. Fin2027

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    Some observations on why the dolphins should go for a QB in the draft:

    1. Tua makes everyone in the team worse. Even the defense is starting to play wjth no energy when Tua is in there.

    2. Tua is slow, has a weak arm and can't pass accurately beyond 10 yards. We saw the many Ints when he attempted to go deep.

    3. Tua never adjusts his performance. He can play consistently bad from start to end. We saw it against the Rams, Broncos, Raiders and Bills.
     
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  36. mlb1399

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    I think you make some good points but that just isn’t going to happen. You don’t walk away from your #5 pick QB in the most challenging year in NFL history with what he had around him. Not going to make excuses because Fitz came in and was able to do things that clearly Tua couldn’t. But just need to have realistic expectations that Miami isn’t drafted a QB with our first rounders.
     
  37. Fin2027

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    That is the sad part. The Dolphins may not give themselves a chance to explore an option for a QB in the draft. I guess the only hope is to rely on Flores past experience under Bellichick and see if he can detect a Tom Brady in those 6th or 7th rounds.
     
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  38. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Look, I’ve repeatedly stated I’m not sold on Tagovailoa. If anyone looks up or remembers my post history prior to last year’s draft I cautioned about drafting him, or any other quarterback for that matter. With that being said...

    Drafting an NFL ready rookie quarterback is a craps shoot. Coaches, analysts, owners and even fans are often wrong about a player. Not only are they wrong, they’re often more wrong in their approach to said drafted quarterback. Said quarterback, drafted high in the draft often go to horrible teams, with more holes than a slice of Swiss cheese to fill. That one player more often than not is not going to make a difference. Not only the holes, but said rookie now has to adjust to football at the NFL level.

    Sure, there have been the exceptions...Luck walked into a team that dominated offensively prior to the Manning injury, so his skills positions were set. Roethlisburger walked onto a team with a power running game that took pressure off of him and made his transition easier.

    Other greats like Rodgers, Mahomes, Rivers et al sat behind their starter for at least a year before being handed the reins.

    Tagovailoa has had neither. He didn’t walk into a team that was built and requiring just a quarterback to go to the next level. Nor did he sit a year behind the team’s starter before being handed the reins. I strongly suspect there was pressure at the executive level to start him for the fan base and to generate revenue. I could be wrong but somehow I doubt it.

    I’ve stated previously and still stand by it, the holes in our offense need to be addressed and filled in the off-season. The only true gem we have is Gesecki at TE. Other than that, our running backs and receivers are average at best.

    Only once these holes are filled and Tagovailoa actually has bonafide weapons to actually work with can we truly evaluate whether or not he’s going to succeed. To do otherwise would be what the Dolphins did to Tannehill and realizing only afterwards what a gem we had.

    Build the TEAM then determine whether or not Tagovailoa is the right quarterback
     
  39. Jersey Dolfan

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    It is pretty sad. I don't get some of the "norms" with the NFL. Tua clearly may not be the answer, and honestly probably isn't. Yet, they may very well just spin their wheels for another few years and flush this shot at a good team down the toilet on principal.
     
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  40. JJ_79

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    I don’t think he will be much worse (if that) then Tannehill when all is said and done, if he stays healthy. If that’s enough is not for me to judge.
     
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